NFL MVP

[steeljake]

I don't understand the rational in discrediting Vick because he has "talent" around him while making it seem as if Brady is playing with a group of guys from the YMCA. At the end of the day Vick is being successful with what he has to work with. I'm not sure what people have been watching, but much of what Vick does goes far beyond who he's playing with and more on him simply making plays. If anyone is an example of an MVP this year it's Vick.

Having said that Brady is surrounded by talent as well and much like Vick it's young talent. However, Brady has also been on the tear as of late......it seems as if he's to use a basketball term....in the zone. I've seen Brady rip several elite defenses apart, but lets not make it seem as if he's doing it all alone. Much like Vick he's making the big play when his team needs it most.

IMO if there is a year when two guys deserve the MVP its this year, because neither player while having great years having separated themselves from each other.

you forogt one key element... mike vick is black and not married to a super model.

 

[PEYMAN18]

Better Stats - Tom Brady
More Wins - Tom Brady


Its pretty easy.

 

[KINGOFOOTBALL]

I can picture N.E having success without Brady. Last QB out of that system is lit it up then and is doing so in K.C now.

Its pretty clear the Eagles would have been doo balled without Vick in the long run.


In this league today Im simply not impressed by gaudy pass numbers. Rivers putting up such tremendous numbers with his entire front office shoving fuck you dicks in him is just as impressive as Brady.

Much like the team race the MVP race is as awful as its been in years. There really isnt much in the way of dominant play going around.

We'll see how the P.Os turn out.

 

[Blick]

I can picture N.E having success without Brady. Last QB out of that system is lit it up then and is doing so in K.C now.

Its pretty clear the Eagles would have been doo balled without Vick in the long run.


In this league today Im simply not impressed by gaudy pass numbers. Rivers putting up such tremendous numbers with his entire front office shoving fuck you dicks in him is just as impressive as Brady.

Much like the team race the MVP race is as awful as its been in years. There really isnt much in the way of dominant play going around.

We'll see how the P.Os turn out.

I don't see how Rivers is as impressive as Brady. One guy has his team at 8 wins with the #8 and #1 defense in points and yards allowed, respectively. The other guy has his team at 13 wins with the #13 and #27 D in those categories. I'll take the other guy.

 

[Bear Pand]

I don't understand the rational in discrediting Vick because he has "talent" around him while making it seem as if Brady is playing with a group of guys from the YMCA. At the end of the day Vick is being successful with what he has to work with. I'm not sure what people have been watching, but much of what Vick does goes far beyond who he's playing with and more on him simply making plays. If anyone is an example of an MVP this year it's Vick.

Having said that Brady is surrounded by talent as well and much like Vick it's young talent. However, Brady has also been on the tear as of late......it seems as if he's to use a basketball term....in the zone. I've seen Brady rip several elite defenses apart, but lets not make it seem as if he's doing it all alone. Much like Vick he's making the big play when his team needs it most.

IMO if there is a year when two guys deserve the MVP its this year, because neither player while having great years having separated themselves from each other.

This.

The Patriots lead the league in takeaways, and have the 2nd best average starting field position in the league, but people want to make it seem like it's just Brady and a bunch of scrubs.

 

[Cryolemon]

While true, it's pretty clear the Pats would be in worse shape without Brady than the Eagles would be with Kolb. Wouldnt that make him more valuable?

Brady is the MVP.

Everyone said the Pats would be terrible with Cassel at QB. They went 11-5 and missed the playoffs on a tiebreaker. Not saying Hoyer is as good as Cassel, but I think underestimating a backup QB coached by Bill Belichick is probably not wise.

 

[Deviant]

I agree. People act as if the Eagles were on the path to 5-11 with Kolb, when in fact they weren't even playing badly. I'm not saying they aren't better off with Vick, because they are, or that Vick isn't having a great year, because he is. But he didn't "save" the team.

The Eagles were mediocre with Kolb. They were getting their ass kicked 21-3 by the Packers and Vick came in an almost saved the day. Kolb blew dick against the Redskins when Vick got hurt, he was servicable at best against the Titans. That's the perfect word for Kolb right now: serviceable.

I wish he was starting for the Eagles. Then the Giants wouldn't be worrying about a playoff spot.

All these arguments about what the Eagles would be doing w/o Vick or the Pats w/o Brady are stupid as hell. First it's completely hypothetical so you have no way of knowing or proving anything. Second it's pretty obvious that this isn't the criteria people use to choose who gets the award. They usually just do something like hand it to one of the best players on one of the best teams.

I swear everytime an MVP discussion comes up people want to argue back and forth about this and I don't get it. It's not about what the Eagles would be doing without Vick, its about what they have done with him.

I absolutely agree with the bolded.

That said, I just believe that Michael Vick is more valuable to the Eagles than Brady is to the Patriots. He is the best player on that team and is the reason why that offense has reached the level of explosiveness that it has. He goes down the field more, takes more chances, and has had more remarkable individual games than Brady this year.

Brady's have a great season, no doubt, but what's so special about it? Sure, at the moment, he's thrown like 300+ passes with no INTs, but that's going to happen when you play in the system that he plays in. I guess I'm just more in favor of a quarterback who will take chance and goes an wins me a game than smart and safe. I'm pretty sure Vick averages more yards per game (probably in just passing yards alone) and is more heavily relied on to win the game than Brady is.

i dont know nashte you falcons homer you... how about desean jackson? i dont recall vick being the one that returned a muffed punt for td... do you?

I don't recall Desean Jackson having to make up 21 points with 7 minutes in the fourth either.

I don't understand the rational in discrediting Vick because he has "talent" around him while making it seem as if Brady is playing with a group of guys from the YMCA. At the end of the day Vick is being successful with what he has to work with. I'm not sure what people have been watching, but much of what Vick does goes far beyond who he's playing with and more on him simply making plays. If anyone is an example of an MVP this year it's Vick.

Having said that Brady is surrounded by talent as well and much like Vick it's young talent. However, Brady has also been on the tear as of late......it seems as if he's to use a basketball term....in the zone. I've seen Brady rip several elite defenses apart, but lets not make it seem as if he's doing it all alone. Much like Vick he's making the big play when his team needs it most.

IMO if there is a year when two guys deserve the MVP its this year, because neither player while having great years having separated themselves from each other.

Bolded is true, especially the last part even though I still favor Vick to win.

Better Stats - Tom Brady
More Wins - Tom Brady


Its pretty easy.

Tell 1987 Jerry Rice that. Granted, 1987 was an awkward strike season but Rice caught 22 TDs for a 13-2 Niners team. Elway only threw 19 TDs for a 10-5-1 Broncos team.

Guess the MVP.

 

[Woy]

Tell 1987 Jerry Rice that. Granted, 1987 was an awkward strike season but Rice caught 22 TDs for a 13-2 Niners team. Elway only threw 19 TDs for a 10-5-1 Broncos team.

Guess the MVP.

Bernie Kosar?

 

[MrBill]

Vick's shot at getting the MVP took a serious shot tonight. Multiple turnovers and just not that sharp in getting their asses kicked by the Vikings this evening. Maybe it could tighten up again if Brady falls on his ass Sunday but I think that is doubtful.

 

[FirstTimer]

Joe Webb.

:smug:

 

[mcstl25]

Congrats Brady.

 

[Point Blank]

:golfclap: Brady

 

[Deviant]

Too bad Vick's bad game came at the end of the season.

 

[dave]

If there was a doubt, it evaporated tonight.
I don't blame Vick for tonight's loss (it was a total team effort), but you gotta win games like this ... like Brady does.
Eagles came into this one thinking it was Guaranteed Win Night. You can't do that against quality teams. Minnesota isn't mediocre, they just had a crappy season.

I hope like heck Eagles give Vick, Jackson, McCoy and any starter who needs the week off a game off vs. Dallas. There is absolutely no point playing any key guys next week vs. Dallas.

Then again, Fat Boy Reid had DeSean Jackson returning punts vs. Washington with a 42-14 lead ... so all bets are off.

 

[tigstah]

Vick all damn day.

what he said.....

 

[dave]

My guess is - and it's only a guess - is half the 17 guys who voted Vick are white kids who think they are legit gangstas and were supposed to vote Vick.

I am an Eagles' fan and love what Vick has done for the team this year, but he missed three games and doesn't have anywhere near Brady's stats.

And Brady has no where near Vick's supporting cast on offence/offense.

31 TDs and 4 INTs with a completion percentage over 66% with the Patriots' record = MVP. I don't care how cool you homies and wannabe homies think Vick is.

And, again, I applaud what Vick has done for the Birds this year and want them to win the Super Bowl.

I agree with some of the posters here: Brady MVP, Vick Comeback of the year.

 

[Maynard]

ya know, brady lost to the browns. this isnt the bsc where the games at the end matter more than mid season

although no way vick wins mvp now. not that he would have ever beat out brady

 

[Maize]

I agree with some of the posters here: Brady MVP, Vick Comeback of the year.

No doubt after tonight, Brady should be NFL MVP. Next year, Calvin Johnson.

 

[Deviant]

If there was a doubt, it evaporated tonight.
I don't blame Vick for tonight's loss (it was a total team effort), but you gotta win games like this ... like Brady does.
Eagles came into this one thinking it was Guaranteed Win Night. You can't do that against quality teams. Minnesota isn't mediocre, they just had a crappy season.

I hope like heck Eagles give Vick, Jackson, McCoy and any starter who needs the week off a game off vs. Dallas. There is absolutely no point playing any key guys next week vs. Dallas.

Then again, Fat Boy Reid had DeSean Jackson returning punts vs. Washington with a 42-14 lead ... so all bets are off.

My problem with the bolded is this: if Brady had his performance against the Browns, Ravens, and his first matchup against the Jets at the end of the year, would you be saying this?