[NFL] Top 10 RB's

[NAHSTE]

Seems to me averaging 1200+ yards per season in a pass happy offense is pretty damn impressive. IIRC, I think he's top 3 in the league in yards since his first start for GB. He's never had a consistent line and he's always been productive. He also rarely ever fumbles.

He's a productive back for sure, rarely fumbles, and picks up tough yards between the tackles.

Durable, reliable, and ultimately, above average he certainly is. But not a great back, IMHO. I'd probably have him in my top 10, but barely.

Yeah, he got 1200 yards back to back years, but it took him 312 carries one year and 282 the next. 1200 isn't even a lot in a 16 game season. That's an average of 78 yards per game, good for 11th best in the league in 2009. In 2008, he was 12th in the league in rushing ypg. So yeah, he's above average, but far from elite.

LOL at "passy happy offense" when Grant has received 600 carries in two years. Yeah, GB slings the ball around a lot but it's not like they only throw RG the occasional bone, he gets plenty of work in that offense. If anything, playing in such a pass-happy offense and getting so many carries, his numbers should be higher.

 

[OnlyOneBeerLeft]

how can you say williams is better than jackson I have to hear that argument not only does he have a better team he has a better line and an actual passing game that although causes a lot of turnovers can still account for at least 1/3 of offensive yards

I say that because Steven Jackson has been great, but he is limited by the offense around him, and it kinda hurts him, I know he's extremely talented and he still puts up great numbers year in and year out. But if Johnathan Stewart isn't in Carolina then D-Will has huge seasons year in and year out, even splitting carries he's still producing a lot. I think if you put them each on completely equal teams with identical carries D-Will would do better, at this point in their careers. The past 3 years as far as yards per rush and TD totals etc, D Will does better. a team and o-line may suck but that's not an excuse to be a full yard per carry below somebody.

Barry Sanders played with a horrible line :smug:

 

[Buzzman]

Michael Turner is the most overrated RB in the NFL. His "great 2009" season he played the 7 worse run defense in the league and average 150 yards per game vs them. Then the other 9 games he average 60 yards per game. He got lucky he played such shitty teams.

 

[Primetime]

He's a productive back for sure, rarely fumbles, and picks up tough yards between the tackles.

Durable, reliable, and ultimately, and above average he certainly is. But not a great back, IMHO. I'd probably have him in my top 10, but barely.

Yeah, he got 1200 yards back to back years, but it took him 312 carries one year and 282 the next. 1200 isn't even a lot in a 16 game season. That's an average of 78 yards per game, good for 11th best in the league in 2009. In 2008, he was 12th in the league in rushing ypg. So yeah, he's above average, but far from elite.

LOL at "passy happy offense" when Grant has received 600 carries in two years. Yeah, GB slings the ball around a lot but it's not like they only throw RG the occasional bone, he gets plenty of work in that offense. If anything, playing in such a pass-happy offense and getting so many carries, his numbers should be higher.

Like I said, he's my #8 in the league. Not a superstar by any means, but a great RB considering the switches the Packers have gone through the past few years. He hasn't seen an o-line stay the same his entire career, he went through the favre-rodgers switch, went through a contract dispute that slowed his start of the season 2 years ago, yet still has put up Top 3 numbers in terms of yardage the past 3 years since his first start. I'm not saying he is #1 or anything like that, just a solid top 10 RB in the league. This season should be even better for him barring injury.

 

[NAHSTE]

Michael Turner is the most overrated RB in the NFL. His "great 2009" season he played the 7 worse run defense in the league and average 150 yards per game vs them. Then the other 9 games he average 60 yards per game. He got lucky he played such shitty teams.

STFU. He was banged up last season. Just wait for this year when he does it again. LOL at getting lucky with the schedule. He still had to actually gain the yardage and score the TDs. Plus he had a rookie for a QB.

 

[f16harm]

Ricky Williams and/or Ronnie Brown are still better RBs than J.Stewart, M Turner, Ray Rice, R. Grant, and Jamaal fucking Charles.

I mean really???? Jamaal FUCKING Charles????

 

[Juggernaut]

Ricky Williams and/or Ronnie Brown are still better RBs than J.Stewart, M Turner, Ray Rice, R. Grant, and Jamaal fucking Charles.

I mean really???? Jamaal FUCKING Charles????

:lolwut:

You can make an argument for the others imo, but Ray Ray is clearly a top 5 back in the league.

A healthy Ronnie Brown is amazing, but we don't see him 100% often anymore.

 

[NAHSTE]

Ray Rice is easily top 5. LOL at putting Ronne "half-man, half-a-season" Brown or Ricky Williams ahead of him.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

I say that because Steven Jackson has been great, but he is limited by the offense around him, and it kinda hurts him, I know he's extremely talented and he still puts up great numbers year in and year out. But if Johnathan Stewart isn't in Carolina then D-Will has huge seasons year in and year out, even splitting carries he's still producing a lot. I think if you put them each on completely equal teams with identical carries D-Will would do better, at this point in their careers. The past 3 years as far as yards per rush and TD totals etc, D Will does better. a team and o-line may suck but that's not an excuse to be a full yard per carry below somebody.

Barry Sanders played with a horrible line :smug:

Williams doesnt have nearly the same skill set of Jackson. I think in the bolded scenerio, Jackson would outproduce him by a wide margain.

Take a look at Jackson's numbers the last time he played in an offense that wasnt abysmal (2006).

And the last three years, the Rams havent had a bad offensive line, they have had a historically bad offensive line. Just look at the career curve of Marc Bulger and the injury history of both Bulger & Jackson. The Rams have also had zero passing game to speak of, and Jackson is the one & only focus of the defense every single week.

It's unfair to compare ypc in this case. Stewart averages over 5.0 ypc in the same offense as Williams, so it seems to me its more a product of a run first team built to run the ball. Neither of those guys would produce at a per carry level like that on STL, and it's safe to say Jackson would easily go 5 per pop with Carolina--especially splitting time.

 

[Primetime]

LOL Rinkie Brilliams > Ray Rice

Pretty sure that is Mr. Webster's definition of Homer.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

Pretty sure that is Mr. Webster's definition of Homer.

Are you refering to me?

nevermind, saw the edit.

 

[Aso]

Ricky Williams and/or Ronnie Brown are still better RBs than J.Stewart, M Turner, Ray Rice, R. Grant, and Jamaal fucking Charles.

I mean really???? Jamaal FUCKING Charles????

Ricky would make my top 15 list. But Ronnie Brown is definitely not as good as any of the guys you listed. The Dolphins offensive line was also better than the Panthers, Falcon, Packers, and Chiefs last year.

 

[NAHSTE]

Williams doesnt have nearly the same skill set of Jackson. I think in the bolded scenerio, Jackson would outproduce him by a wide margain.

Take a look at Jackson's numbers the last time he played in an offense that wasnt abysmal (2006).

And the last three years, the Rams havent had a bad offensive line, they have had a historically bad offensive line. Just look at the career curve of Marc Bulger and the injury history of both Bulger & Jackson. The Rams have also had zero passing game to speak of, and Jackson is the one & only focus of the defense every single week.

It's unfair to compare ypc in this case. Stewart averages over 5.0 ypc in the same offense as Williams, so it seems to me its more a product of a run first team built to run the ball. Neither of those guys would produce at a per carry level like that on STL, and it's safe to say Jackson would easily go 5 per pop with Carolina--especially splitting time.

I'm a Williams fan, and I agree with your assessment. Jackson is probably the 3rd best back in the NFL in terms of overall ability. From there it gets hazy, but it should be MJD/Rice/Williams/Turner after that IMO.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

I'm a Williams fan, and I agree with your assessment. Jackson is probably the 3rd best back in the NFL in terms of overall ability. From there it gets hazy, but it should be MJD/Rice/Williams/Turner after that IMO.

I like Willams, too. Threads like this put you in a position of being critical towards guys when you don't want to be.

 

[dMerch]

johnson
peterson
mojo
dwill
jackson
burner
rice
brown
benson
grant

 

[bucky]

He's a productive back for sure, rarely fumbles, and picks up tough yards between the tackles.

Durable, reliable, and ultimately, and above average he certainly is. But not a great back, IMHO. I'd probably have him in my top 10, but barely.

Yeah, he got 1200 yards back to back years, but it took him 312 carries one year and 282 the next. 1200 isn't even a lot in a 16 game season. That's an average of 78 yards per game, good for 11th best in the league in 2009. In 2008, he was 12th in the league in rushing ypg. So yeah, he's above average, but far from elite.

LOL at "passy happy offense" when Grant has received 600 carries in two years. Yeah, GB slings the ball around a lot but it's not like they only throw RG the occasional bone, he gets plenty of work in that offense. If anything, playing in such a pass-happy offense and getting so many carries, his numbers should be higher.

Have to agree. Ryan Grant is above average and not great. He might make it in a top ten list. Bottom of the top ten, might just be above average.

It is a pass happy offense, and the O-Line, ever since the Zone Blocking scheme, hasn't been a very good Run Blocking Unit. Grant has earned his yards. GB's passing also does open up the running game.

 

[Aso]

johnson
peterson
mojo
dwill
jackson
burner
rice
brown
benson
grant

Is that Ronnie Brown?

 

[Aso]

Last year the Packer offensive line wasn't that bad at run blocking. They were middle of the league. The question mark around them was how well they could pass block.

 

[Colonel Angus]

Adrian Peterson is not a top 5 back until he stops fumbling. If it wasn't for Brett throwing the NFC Championship game away Adrian Peterson would have been blamed for fumbling it away.

And I am a Packer fan with bias but Ryan Grant is not a top ten back. He can't block and he can't catch passes.

 

[~Chance~]

1.CJ
2.AP
3.Ray rice
4.Deangelo W.
5.Stephen Jackson
6. Micheal Turner
7.Cedric Benson
8.Ryan Grant
9. Jonathan S.
10. Barber.