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leaffan said:
A lot of people complaining about the money and such but its a new CBA and money is going to inflate huge again.

The first thing I made sure to point out though amongst my leaf friends is just how good this makes the Phaneuf deal look and I was still met with backlash from it.
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It does make the Phaneuf deal good. One thing people are bringing up is that he is the third highest paid player right now. That is, until the Kane and Toews extensions kick in next off-season and more players are offered extensions. Even the second-highest paid defenseman in Weber looks like a bargain. This always happens when you have more money to be spent though.
 
ThomasTomasz said:
It does make the Phaneuf deal good. One thing people are bringing up is that he is the third highest paid player right now. That is, until the Kane and Toews extensions kick in next off-season and more players are offered extensions. Even the second-highest paid defenseman in Weber looks like a bargain. This always happens when you have more money to be spent though.
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Yah a quick example I can give for a team paying a player when the contract seemed "high" in the begining and a bargin later is someone like Anze Kopitar. He signed a 7 year 47.6mil contract back in 09 for a cap hit of 6.8mil. This looks like a pretty good bargin now considering most top centers are getting more then that. Back then the cap was 56.8mil and his cap hit was 12% of the teams total hit at the time. Now its at 9% and he's still got two years to go. Toews and Kane had high cap hits back then and then were low at the end of their current deals. Spezza got 7mil back in 08 and its pretty tame now.

Subban will be 13% of the teams cap hit next year with more growth then back in 09...
 
I'm ok with the Subban contract. He's a top-8 defenceman in the league and energizes the fanbase. Right now it's pricey if you go by $9M ... but in three years (maybe sooner), it's an absolute bargain.
The Canadiens should never have let it go right down to the wire like that. Hell, they should have given him the long-term deal two years ago (but not overly critical where that's concerned).
 
dave said:
I'm ok with the Subban contract. He's a top-8 defenceman in the league and energizes the fanbase. Right now it's pricey if you go by $9M ... but in three years (maybe sooner), it's an absolute bargain.
The Canadiens should never have let it go right down to the wire like that. Hell, they should have given him the long-term deal two years ago (but not overly critical where that's concerned).
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I could name 10 maybe 15 Dmen I'd rather have then him imo.
 
Not going to rank because I'm on my phone but off the top of my head.

Duncan Keith
Shea Weber
Zdeno Chara
Oliver Ekman Larson
Victor Hedman
Drew Doughty
Alex Pietrangelo
Ryan Suter
Erik Karlsson
Mark Giordano

Are just 10 that came to mind. Giordano could of easily been a Norris finalist if he wasn't on such a bad team.

I could probably keep going. Names like Vlasic and Mcdonaugh popped into my head while sitting here. Subbans over ratedness and a Norris trophy on a short year against no west teams really helped him out. I'm not saying he's bad or doesn't deserve the contract (his situation commanded it) but Habs fans need to tone down a bit lol. I could go into who he compares to (hint one of them is leafs dman gardiner) but I'm going to sleep.
 
leaffan said:
Not going to rank because I'm on my phone but off the top of my head.
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IMO, none of the D-men you list face 1/10th the scrutiny of Subban. If Subban does anything even remotely negative, it's magnified. IMO, Subban is on the most interesting players to watch in the NHL. He reminds me of the late 70s and early 80s when NHL players were interesting and not just robots. Subban is fun to watch, Drew Doughty a model of consistency, no doubt, same as pickles Vlasic ... but as a paying fan, I vote Subban.
 
If you're a paying fan and want to watch fun dmen take a drive to Ottawa and watch Karlsson or watch more kings games with Doughty. Hell watch a leaf game and watch Gardiner and Reilly. Utter magic would happen when those two with Kessel and JVR were on the ice together.

What I'm getting at is I'm sure part of negotiation process with him had the team thinking hey if this guy sits out again like he did 2 years ago or we lose him our revenues are going to take a slight hit. Is an extra 2 or 3 mil a year worth it for a guy that is such a fan fav. ... That answer was clearly yes. Is he getting the extra money because he's that top dman not really.
 
KHL team is offering Selanne $10 million to play this season, and $5 million if he only wanted to play home games.

Is that league getting ready to go under? That's an insane price to pay for a 44 year old player, even if it is to play for his home town team.
 
ThomasTomasz said:
KHL team is offering Selanne $10 million to play this season, and $5 million if he only wanted to play home games.

Is that league getting ready to go under? That's an insane price to pay for a 44 year old player, even if it is to play for his home town team.
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From what I read the KHL is starting to get into a bit of a financial disaster. Teams losing more money then making and home talent just not staying and opting for the NHL.
 
leaffan said:
From what I read the KHL is starting to get into a bit of a financial disaster. Teams losing more money then making and home talent just not staying and opting for the NHL.
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The NHL is still the premier league, hockey players want to win a Stanley Cup. Radulov being the only player close to being an NHL star picking the KHL instead also doesn't help their case. With more financial problems, they most certainly aren't going to attract anyone else. From what I've read, it's only a handful of clubs that aren't worried about finances.
 
Charles Wang being sued for $10 million by a group claiming they had a handshake agreement on the sale of the club that he went back on.

(I've forgotten how dead the hockey off-season is during August, such a horrible time of year. At least my Orioles are in first place.)
 
ThomasTomasz said:
Charles Wang being sued for $10 million by a group claiming they had a handshake agreement on the sale of the club that he went back on.

(I've forgotten how dead the hockey off-season is during August, such a horrible time of year. At least my Orioles are in first place.)
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I hear you. NHL radio on XM is reaching hard a lot lately. I've switched over totally to focus on golf and fantasy football. I still play FHM 2014 almost every day though so I have some sort of hockey going on.
 
On another forum, I am participating in an NHL redraft, where you throw everyone into a pool and go through a fantasy draft to see who can create the best team. I picked a team up that someone dropped, and trying to make the best of things. How would you construct lines with these six forwards.

Andrew Ladd, Patrick Hornqvist, Tyler Ennis, Radim Vrbata, Patrick Marleau, Derek Stepan

I currently have Marleau as a center out of necessity, due to a run on centers I wasn't present for. He is centering Ennis and Hornqvist, with Stepan having Ladd and Vrbata.
 
Sounds a lot like sour grapes, but still an interesting read. As a Capitals fan, I understand the frustration about the playoffs. We had an extremely talented roster with him behind the bench, and while he brought the Capitals back to contention (and he will always be thanked for that) he had to go.

I'm posting an excerpt of a conversation Selanne claims he had with Boudreau.

“I waited after everyone else had left the ice and skated to Boudreau,” he said. “I yelled at him right to his face with what I was thinking. I asked what he has against me. I told him that since he became our coach, he has not respected me one bit. You never put me on ice when we play 5-on-3 or 4-on-4 or when we are one goal behind in the end of the game. Be honest for one time and answer.

“He just stammered that decisions were not his alone and it was a group decision. I asked which group and he said GM and scouts. I yelled at him ‘Whoa, what kind of a coach are you if you don't even decide the lineup?' He tried to skate away but I just yelled that I wasn't finished.

“I told Boudreau if you ever want to win something in a playoffs, you're going to need me. Nobody else wants to win as much as me.”

Read More: http://www.cbssports.com/nhl/eye-on...-slams-ducks-coach-bruce-boudreau-in-new-book
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Sounds more like Selanne being a little bitter. He avg. 14mins a night during the season and from what I've read has lost a step or two. Him not playing big mins over other players in the playoffs just seems like a smart coaching move.
 
Nash with 3 points to open the season including the game winning goal on a great pass from St. Louis...to beat St. Louis. :smug:

Tomorrow at Columbus for game 2.
 
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