NHL Will Lock Out Players on September 15 if No Deal

[wingsfan77]

Any word on how that went?

 

[dave]

Hockey fans, meet your new worst enemy:

Donald Fehr is a fucking cunt.

Way to play politics.

NHL owners are throwing out 10-15 year contracts like Pez dispensers and you're blaming the union guy.

Really?

Donald Fehr isn't telling teams to give out these contracts ... the teams are doing it themselves.

Simply saying it's a union gone wrong issue is just playing politics.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

dave, Donal Fehr IS a fucking cunt, and nearly killed baseball.

If Fehr is involved, you can bet this thing gets dragged out as long as possible. I don't know enough about the particulars in this labor dispute (although chances are I would side with the owners, because I almost never side with the union in labor disputes, especially when it comes to athletes) to have a knowledgeable opinion on the matter, but what I do know is Fehr is death at the negotiation table.

If you are a hockey fan who doesn't care about what side wins, and just wants to watch hockey this fall, Donald Fehr is your worst nightmare.

 

[leaffan]

Not all of the details have been released and the NHL said they should have a statement today. Most people who saw some of it were surprised at how much the players are giving although it sounds like a luxary tax (aka retarded baseball format) might be in play.

 

[killgod]

Just throw in the towel, Fehr and Bettman won't make it happen. Both have too much sniveling pride to give in in proper time.

 

[Ravin]

If NHL13 doesn't have lockout mode this year, I'm going to be seriously pissed off. I really want to know players negotiating ratings.

 

[leaffan]

Its been a few days since I read about some of this stuff since it takes a while to read about it.

Fehr is a god dam idiot first and formost and it bothers me that now the NHL has two idiots attempting to figure out something.

This article was posted a few days ago:

http://www.tsn.ca/winnipeg/story/?id=403145

While the NHL Players' Association and executive director Donald Fehr said Tuesday that the players are willing take a smaller percentage of revenues in a new collective bargaining agreement, other details have emerged from the union's proposal as well.

According to TSN hockey analyst Aaron Ward, the offer also calls for a limit on 'non-player' spending such as costs for head coaching, front office and management payrolls.

In addition, the union's proposal suggests - at the discretion of both the NHL and NHLPA on a case-by-case basis - giving extra draft picks to teams in financial trouble.

The players' offer also allows for franchises in distress under special circumstances to be permitted to trade or sell up to $4 million in cap space to another team - giving the team a way of adding another 'paycheque.'

As presented by Fehr on Tuesday, the proposal already includes delinking the salary cap from hockey-related revenue and setting a fixed rate - increasing by two per cent for the first year, four per cent for the second and six per cent for the third. Afterwards, the players would hold an option to have the fourth year revert back to the current system, where they are entitled to receive 57 per cent of all revenues.

By the NHLPA's calculations, the deal could see players give up as much as US$465 million in revenue if the league continues to grow at an average rate for the next three seasons.

The best and most hilarious parts are bolded. As a fan of a top tier team who makes the money for the league I say fuck off to that. Although the idea of trading cap space (which I know Burke has been asking for for a few years now) would really open things up especially in the first part of the year where teams are dogging it bad out of the gate but simply can't make any moves because cap space hasn't been burned off yet.

 

[leaffan]

dave, Donal Fehr IS a fucking cunt, and nearly killed baseball.

If Fehr is involved, you can bet this thing gets dragged out as long as possible. I don't know enough about the particulars in this labor dispute (although chances are I would side with the owners, because I almost never side with the union in labor disputes, especially when it comes to athletes) to have a knowledgeable opinion on the matter, but what I do know is Fehr is death at the negotiation table.

If you are a hockey fan who doesn't care about what side wins, and just wants to watch hockey this fall, Donald Fehr is your worst nightmare.

He did kill baseball.

Until that fuckin sport gets a salary cap or the blue jays move out of that division I won't even bother giving it a second look. Unless your a fan of an upper tier team that spends money I don't even know why people even bother watching or going to games.

 

[EmpireWF]

He did kill baseball.

Until that fuckin sport gets a salary cap or the blue jays move out of that division I won't even bother giving it a second look. Unless your a fan of an upper tier team that spends money I don't even know why people even bother watching or going to games.

:jonesy:

And you get your panties twisted when fuckers talk nonsense about hockey.

 

[leaffan]

:jonesy:

And you get your panties twisted when fuckers talk nonsense about hockey.

I'm just stating an opinion. I used to watch baseball and be a fan but the constant years of being a fan of a team that literally had the same excuse going year after year which was boring and I stopped watching it altogether because lets face it Fehr didn't do a lot of good for that game.

Am I blaming fehr for bad personal decisions on the teams part or ownership that clearly has a shit ton of money but is never willing spend it? No but I do blame him for rising player costs and his union's rediculous stance on things like steriod testing and other things.

Although it is funny that you have no problem with the guy. The yankee's appear to have done quite well under his reign. If your a mets fan I apologize :smug:

 

[EmpireWF]

I'm just stating an opinion. I used to watch baseball and be a fan but the constant years of being a fan of a team that literally had the same excuse going year after year which was boring and I stopped watching it altogether because lets face it Fehr didn't do a lot of good for that game.

Am I blaming fehr for bad personal decisions on the teams part or ownership that clearly has a shit ton of money but is never willing spend it? No but I do blame him for rising player costs and his union's rediculous stance on things like steriod testing and other things.

Although it is funny that you have no problem with the guy. The yankee's appear to have done quite well under his reign. If your a mets fan I apologize :smug:

No problem with the last comment….the Mets check in with your middle paragraph even though they've had 1 real year where they should have won (fuck off woy) and other years where they just collapsed and fell on their faces.

Sure, Fehr is an asshole for what he did in the 90s…but, MLB is far from dead.

Look at Tampa, Oakland, Washington, Cincinnati and even Pittsburgh…all teams that have struggled in years prior who are either in the heat of the playoff race this year or have been for some time. For fuck sake, even Baltimore is in position to go to October for the first time in over a decade.

So, while it may be easy to blame baseball for having a system that allows three teams to spend over $170 million while two spend $55 million……fact is only one of those high spenders will make the playoffs this year and there's a good chance one of the lowest spenders makes it, too.

The Blue Jays have a shitty situation, no doubt, being in arguably the toughest division in the sport (they went 86-76 one year and finished 4th in the AL East), but it's not like if they were in the AL Central they would've made the post-season in 2008 either.

I can understand your frustration with the BJays, not making the playoffs since the pre-strike season. Plus, they're not rebuilding like the Astros, from the bottom up, so the only chance to get big prospects is by trades (Halladay) or signing and they don't spend for the elite free-agents. Plus, they haven't been fucking terrible for a stretch so they don't have the high draft picks like Tampa used to collect their stable of guys. Even this year, they'll probably finish with a first round pick in the low teens.

 

[leaffan]

No problem with the last comment….the Mets check in with your middle paragraph even though they've had 1 real year where they should have won (fuck off woy) and other years where they just collapsed and fell on their faces.

Sure, Fehr is an asshole for what he did in the 90s…but, MLB is far from dead.

Look at Tampa, Oakland, Washington, Cincinnati and even Pittsburgh…all teams that have struggled in years prior who are either in the heat of the playoff race this year or have been for some time. For fuck sake, even Baltimore is in position to go to October for the first time in over a decade.

Great parity and financial stability for those teams isn't is?

So, while it may be easy to blame baseball for having a system that allows three teams to spend over $170 million while two spend $55 million……fact is only one of those high spenders will make the playoffs this year and there's a good chance one of the lowest spenders makes it, too.

Its actually a fairly low chance and rare to see when you look at the numbers. GMs trying to maximize players ability compared to their contract is what gets those teams there. Which is how every team in the league should work shouldn't it? This again is my opinion but all teams should have the same shot at players and not lose in situations because they don't have enough money. This again is coming from a guy who's hockey team did the yankee thing notoriously throughout the 90s and all the way to the lockout and have since then not been able to make the playoffs because of those past tendancies and now that the rest of the league is able to catch up. I still find the league better now then it was back then even though the last 8 years have been a shitty one as a fan of the leafs.

The Blue Jays have a shitty situation, no doubt, being in arguably the toughest division in the sport (they went 86-76 one year and finished 4th in the AL East), but it's not like if they were in the AL Central they would've made the post-season in 2008 either.

I can understand your frustration with the BJays, not making the playoffs since the pre-strike season. Plus, they're not rebuilding like the Astros, from the bottom up, so the only chance to get big prospects is by trades (Halladay) or signing and they don't spend for the elite free-agents. Plus, they haven't been fucking terrible for a stretch so they don't have the high draft picks like Tampa used to collect their stable of guys. Even this year, they'll probably finish with a first round pick in the low teens.

The halladay thing still bothers me. Argueably the best pitcher in baseball and they still couldn't do jack shit while toucan sam (jp richardi) sat there and kept telling people over and over "well we looked good this year, we'll look into free agency in the offseason and keep developing our players". Meanwhile Venon Wells is still :smug: ing.

 

[Rip]

 

[leaffan]

So we sit here on Sept. 2nd and generally during this long weekend most people are starting (among other things) to look at buying tickets, wether to order NHL center ice and so on but literally sweet fuck all has been done.

I've taken a fairly non popular opinion in most of this and its fuck both sides. The players need to stop whining about the owners wanting more money. For most of them they are investing a shit ton of money and they want to start seeing proper returns. The owners and specifically bettman need to stop the whining as well. Stop saying the players make too much money meanwhile they're giving out contracts like its free candy with rediculous term and rediculous over payments.

I've started noticing more and more people are starting to take this same opinion. A couple extremly popular facebook posts have been posted towards the NHL and players union pretty much stating the same thing. I think as fans we are tired of hearing the same old whiney arguements from both sides. While they sit there and argue over money guys like me who would drop everything and sign a contact for 50k a year just to play in that league just want to come home at night and watch the god dam game. I could give two flying shits about how the players are making 10k less a game or how the owners who make some boneheaded decisions like putting a hockey team in a desert whine about not making enough income.

 

[leaffan]

It was either by tues or wed this week that there were no more official plans for either side to meet.

Fuck this shit.

 

[wr50l]

I read in the Globe and Mail that for Phoenix to make a profit player revenues would have to be slashed to 25% of league revenue.

I still take the players side in this, big time. And you might be saying $50k would do you leaf but a) you'd have to stop eating all the tacos you want ya fat bastard and b) you'd be the one getting concussed by the big illegal hits you love. Fuck taking a pay cut whilst others get a pay rise off of their work. And double-fuck to those same people expecting players to make up for a deficit caused by league insistance on not correcting the Sun Belt expansion calamities.

 

[leaffan]

I read in the Globe and Mail that for Phoenix to make a profit player revenues would have to be slashed to 25% of league revenue.

I still take the players side in this, big time. And you might be saying $50k would do you leaf but a) you'd have to stop eating all the tacos you want ya fat bastard and b) you'd be the one getting concussed by the big illegal hits you love. Fuck taking a pay cut whilst others get a pay rise off of their work. And double-fuck to those same people expecting players to make up for a deficit caused by league insistance on not correcting the Sun Belt expansion calamities.

Taco's would be free when on the road :smug:

 

[ThomasTomasz]

It was either by tues or wed this week that there were no more official plans for either side to meet.

Fuck this shit.

Agreed. Going to lose another season and the slow progress made over the past six years is going to go down the toilet too.

 

[Ravin]

If poker makes another fucking comeback I'm going to be pissed. I don't want to see that shit on TV more. I don't know why, but I think if anything, it might be a shorter season and not a total loss. I just feel that both sides will come to something because the NHL is on the cusp of breaking into a big market with the new NBC deal, and it did wonders in the playoffs.

 

[ThomasTomasz]

NEW YORK -- Although relations between the NHL and NHLPA seem to be growing increasingly contentious in the week leading up to the lockout, the two sides plan to meet Wednesday morning, multiple sources told ESPNNewYork.com.

Wednesday's meeting is expected to be informal, similar to last Friday, when NHL commissioner Gary Bettman and deputy commissioner Bill Daly sat down with NHLPA executive director Donald Fehr and his brother, Steve.

It is not clear whether the union, which held a conference call with players Wednesday, will submit an offer.

The two sides have not had formal discussions since talks broke down on Aug. 31. At that time, the NHL was seeking a comprehensive counter-proposal from the union to its second offer. Bettman indicated the NHL was not pleased with the response they received.

Wednesday's discussions will be held in advance of the union's player meetings, which are scheduled for Wednesday and Thursday in Manhattan. The NHL will be meeting as well, with the Board of Governors meeting is slated to convene Thursday in New York.

Given the NHL's clear stance on a lockout -- Bettman intends to lock the players out if a new deal isn't reached when the current CBA expires on Sept. 15 -- there is little time remaining for the two sides to come to an agreement.

The union and league still have a significant bridge to gap on the key economic concepts of a new deal. While the players want to avoid any immediate salary reduction -- either via rollbacks or escrow -- the league wants the players to take a reduced share of revenue.

The two sides, particularly Daly and Steve Fehr, have communicated consistently even in the absence of formal negotiations. But frustrations bubbled over Tuesday when the union turned to Canadian provincial law to challenge the lockout.

The NHLPA, through a Montreal-based lawyer, issued a cease-and-desist letter to the Montreal Canadiens and the NHL, and plan to appeal to the Quebec Labour Relations Board this week on behalf of their case as well. Quebec does not recognize the NHLPA as a certified union, which means a lockout by an employer cannot be lawfully imposed, they contend.

The union also challenged the league's request to the Alberta Labour Relations Board for a board-supervised lockout vote. The ALBLRB was slated to hold a hearing in front of a three-person panel Tuesday morning, but it was canceled when the NHL withdrew its application late Tuesday.

http://espn.go.com/new-york/nhl/sto...ers-union-wednesday-lockout-looms-sources-say