Official "Bad Game" Thread

[Realist]

I had no issues with OOBL's play in my game, but IMO he has ruined the spirit of VSN with his win at all costs mentality, non-stop crying about lack of respect, etc...
I don't really care anymore, because he killed my power rankings and I don't have to play him anymore.
But, IMO, VSN and the old MM used to be about great games ... not this bullshit where drunk fags cried because they didn't get respect.

Anyway ... no biggie. I will never write another power rankings thread, will never play OOBL in a game ever again and will never, ever mention OOBL in a post ever again.

Bold: AGREED!! I mean damn, I really wanted to play OOBL just to see how good he was. He really seemed like a good guy but the whole, "I'm the shit" "I don't get any respect" "I'll blow you out" attitude really goes against why I spend just as much time on this site as I do on my own. I enjoy playing with you guys, but people like him makes the game not fun at all. Zeus had the exact same attitude when he first got here but wise up pretty quickly.

Dave, if you plan on stopping the power ranking for sure, let me know. I was going to make a point to try to play enough games just to see if I could crack the top ten on this shitty slow game. If you really aren't going to do them I wont waste my time. Oh and if you do decide to do them and you put me in the Top 10, be sure to put my BELOW OOBL

Izzy, I agree with you, but at the same time, if you are running the same crap over and over, the AI is suppose to recognize it. At least thats what EA said. If they actually did, i dont think anyone would have a problem with people calling the same plays because they would start to not work

 

[OnlyOneBeerLeft]

I don't remember a time when anyone gave a shit about what you had to say. I'm not being mean but I'm just saying. No one cares about the offensive "jugglenaut" and what the fuck he has to say.

There are guidelines and they shouldn't be broken.

I was going to hold off and let OOBL know my gripes with him the next day. I wont play the guy now because that game was probably the most "unsim" game I've played in years. Sure, I lost but I knew I was going to lose. The loss isn't what sucked, playing a game where the same plays are run over, and over, and over, and over makes me upset. You should only come out in a nickel/dime regardless of the offense's sets in passing situation. I think he may have run a nickel/dime all game long.

On offense I see a play and think, "I already used that so it's time to pick another play". Apparently I'm one of the only people that do that.

I'm putting it to rest.


95% of the PS3 guys understand what "sim" football is. If you take a look at the top of the tracker you'll notice who the guys are that have that "win at all cost" mentality. It's just a shame.


I now understand why the Raiders are so popular too. Other then if you're a REAL Raiders fan guys like to use RunDMC because he breaks everything. Button mashing the right analog stick FTW!

wow my bad houtz, I told you right before the game I was trashed, and you sat here and made it seem like everything was cool and there were just lil things you were concerned with, after I never did anything before. Meh whatever.

As far as using the Raiders, I use them for one reason, Asomugha, I have one side the field that is pretty locked down and its reassuring, McFadden also gets hurt almost every game and fumbles alot.

 

[OnlyOneBeerLeft]

and I came out 3-3-5 and dollar because almost every time you had a shotgun play it had two TE 1 RB 2 WR, so I compensated for the fact you were probably passing

 

[strahanfan92]

So is that a Strike 1: warning Houtz?

 

[Realist]

Real Talk: If my opponent comes out in 2 WR and I know he has a fast back that he likes to pass to the ball too, I will sit in a nickel defense. I'm not going to allow you to eat up my LB on flat passes. I dont care what down it is. Not going to happen. I just played Cop and did the same thing with Chris Johnson and I would probably do the same vs you Houtz because you've stated many times that Ronnie Brown is majority of your offense. I'm not going to sit back and let him abuse my LB's lol

btw: Cop mixed up his plays and I'm NOT complaining at all. We always have good games (Willis > White! ) Just giving an example of how I might defend a fast back

P.S. And another thing, I've noticed, like last year, that a lot of people like to sit in zone. If I come out in trips or twins formations and overload one side, i dont want to hear a peep.

 

[OnlyOneBeerLeft]

I agree completely. However, I was coming out running the football in these situations. In real life a run game would eat up a dime defense. Not in Madden. Even so I rarely pass to the flats unless it's a screen or the defense is blitzing heavily. Although you have a great reason as to why you do it, OOBL does not. He wanted extra defenders out ther, which like I said in passing situations I understand completely. But when it's the entire game that's just not sim.


Sidenote: I have to admit me saying Ronnie Brown being my entire offense was a bit premature. I surprisingly found a passing game this year that doesn't need to rely solely on Mr.Brown. We'll have to play sometime so I can show you

What are you talking about? I come out in nickel 3-5-5 a lot because I have an extra defender to stop a run to the outside, or contain the flats, theres no such thing as a "passing" situation now. you can pass on first and 10, 2nd and 3, that doesn't matter. And yeah I justify my playcalling because there are 3 variations of philly cross in my playbook, diff formations, same with mesh, 4 diff formations, I called all of them, not the same one more then once.
Give me a warning, ban me if you want but I suggest you try playing some of these new guys around here before you complain about my playcalling. Ronnie Brown gets to the outside easily, I contain him, the times I did come out in those defenses you passed almost every one, Its obviously not helping me stop the run.

 

[mcstl25]

Dave: Don't stop doing your power rankings because one drunken idiot cares way too much about where he's ranked. People really enjoy your rankings every week.

Houtz: I agree of some of what you're saying, but I have to correct you on one thing. Izzy gets a lot of shit around here, but he has 100x most respect than you do. Just because you're a mod doesn't mean that you can be an ignorant asshole.

Herm: What's the problem with pulling guys off the line on punt returns? In the NFL there are sometimes two or three guys down field on punt returns, that isn't an option in this game. I have no problem if someone wants to pull a guy off the line for additional blocking. That's just a smart move, IMO.

Some of the guidelines are necessary, but others are just restrictive. To be honest, I'm having a hard time playing games against VSN'ers because the games are so boring. I feel like there's no strategy in the game as everyone plays the exact same way. Offense - 40 percent run; 60 percent pass. Most guys run 70 percent off-tackle plays. Most passes are to the TE and RB. Defense - All zone all game (mostly because bump and run is "frowned upon") while mixing in a few zone blitzes every now and then. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

 

[Realist]

I agree completely. However, I was coming out running the football in these situations. In real life a run game would eat up a dime defense. Not in Madden. Even so I rarely pass to the flats unless it's a screen or the defense is blitzing heavily. Although you have a great reason as to why you do it, OOBL does not. He wanted extra defenders out ther, which like I said in passing situations I understand completely. But when it's the entire game that's just not sim.


Sidenote: I have to admit me saying Ronnie Brown being my entire offense was a bit premature. I surprisingly found a passing game this year that doesn't need to rely solely on Mr.Brown. We'll have to play sometime so I can show you

Well, it's not like he KNOWS you are coming out to run in these formations...

I agree that dime defense, if thats what he was doing, is BS. if it's 3-5-5, i dont really see an issue with that though, imo

I go by the rule: +/- 1 CB unless in obvious passing situation. Meaning if you come out in 2 WR, I can match with 2 CBs or go +1 and go nickel. if you come out in 3WR, i can stay in my base D, nickel or come out in dime D.

 

[mcstl25]

Well, it's not like he KNOWS you are coming out to run in these formations...

I agree that dime defense, if thats what he was doing, is BS. if it's 3-5-5, i dont really see an issue with that though, imo

I go by the rule: +/- 1 CB unless in obvious passing situation. Meaning if you come out in 2 WR, I can match with 2 CBs or go +1 and go nickel. if you come out in 3WR, i can stay in my base D, nickel or come out in dime D.

Seriously, why is matching up formations even an issue at all anymore?? This was a guideline put into place during Madden 03 (2003!!!) because cornerbacks basically played like defensive linemen with more speed and linebackers and linemen somehow kept up with wide receivers. This isn't the case any longer. If I come out in a 2 TE set and my opponent is in dime, he is going to get steamrolled. Likewise, if I come out in a 4 WR set and my opponent is in 4-6, there are going to be mismatches all across the field.

 

[MmmmBeeeeer]

its sim to run it back for a TD IMO.

U throw a pick and all i see is endzone who deosnt return it? I have never seen someone take a dive or go out of bounds IRL. Only exception is when they are in a crowd.

OOBL=korn. same attitude.

Same attitude, but kornstarr would destroy OOBL

 

[MmmmBeeeeer]

Dave: Don't stop doing your power rankings because one drunken idiot cares way too much about where he's ranked. People really enjoy your rankings every week.

Houtz: I agree of some of what you're saying, but I have to correct you on one thing. Izzy gets a lot of shit around here, but he has 100x most respect than you do. Just because you're a mod doesn't mean that you can be an ignorant asshole.

Herm: What's the problem with pulling guys off the line on punt returns? In the NFL there are sometimes two or three guys down field on punt returns, that isn't an option in this game. I have no problem if someone wants to pull a guy off the line for additional blocking. That's just a smart move, IMO.

Some of the guidelines are necessary, but others are just restrictive. To be honest, I'm having a hard time playing games against VSN'ers because the games are so boring. I feel like there's no strategy in the game as everyone plays the exact same way. Offense - 40 percent run; 60 percent pass. Most guys run 70 percent off-tackle plays. Most passes are to the TE and RB. Defense - All zone all game (mostly because bump and run is "frowned upon") while mixing in a few zone blitzes every now and then. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

You nailed that one :beer:

 

[Realist]

Seriously, why is matching up formations even an issue at all anymore?? This was a guideline put into place during Madden 03 (2003!!!) because cornerbacks basically played like defensive linemen with more speed and linebackers and linemen somehow kept up with wide receivers. This isn't the case any longer. If I come out in a 2 TE set and my opponent is in dime, he is going to get steamrolled. Likewise, if I come out in a 4 WR set and my opponent is in 4-6, there are going to be mismatches all across the field.

thats just my defensive scheme. a rule i use. ive been pretty successful with it. i dont expect anyone else to do it.

 

[mcstl25]

thats just my defensive scheme. a rule i use. ive been pretty successful with it. i dont expect anyone else to do it.

Gotcha. However, my post wasn't necessarily direct at you, it was more directed at the VSN guidelines that state that you should match-up on defense.

 

[Realist]

Gotcha. However, my post wasn't necessarily direct at you, it was more directed at the VSN guidelines that state that you should match-up on defense.

Cool, not a problem. we need to get a classin Rams vs 49ers game soon

 

[mobbdeep1122]

I cleaned up the guidelines a little bit. Took some stuff out that's pretty outdated. If you have any other suggestions, let me know.

 

[Herm]

Dave: Don't stop doing your power rankings because one drunken idiot cares way too much about where he's ranked. People really enjoy your rankings every week.
Agreed


Herm: What's the problem with pulling guys off the line on punt returns? In the NFL there are sometimes two or three guys down field on punt returns, that isn't an option in this game. I have no problem if someone wants to pull a guy off the line for additional blocking. That's just a smart move, IMO.
The same reason as last year, you already have two blockers on each gunner. Its overkill to have anyone else downfield. Kick returns are the easiest touchdown on the game. Its very rare for a person to receive the ball without blockers covering all the men within a 5 yard vicinity of the returner. There is a guideline prohibiting this so why should i have to defend my self here? Its a tactic that 99% of East Roomers employ but only 1% of VSN/MM guys ive played. That should tell you enough right there.

I'll make a point to watch for this in the titans vs browns game tonight. If I see multiple people down the field on punt returns over one time ill quit complaining about it.

Seriously, why is matching up formations even an issue at all anymore?? This was a guideline put into place during Madden 03 (2003!!!) because cornerbacks basically played like defensive linemen with more speed and linebackers and linemen somehow kept up with wide receivers. This isn't the case any longer. If I come out in a 2 TE set and my opponent is in dime, he is going to get steamrolled. Likewise, if I come out in a 4 WR set and my opponent is in 4-6, there are going to be mismatches all across the field.

i have played plenty of people this year that completely shut down my running game and they called nickel, dime and dollar game long. Cbs STILL tackle like LBs. I cant tell you how many times ive ran a play outside with only a CB left to beat and im thinking theres no way this isnt a touchdown and CBs drag down even big RBs like Michael Turner routinely.

Lbs still stay step for step with WRS who can be up to 15-20 speed points higher than them. Im playing Houtz in our league game and I throw a streak to Matt Jones 25 yards down field Philip Merling WHO IS A DEFENSIVE END stays with him the whole way and picks the pass off. Merling is 72 speed and Jones is 89, 25 yards down the field there should be separation. Im sure it was a zone blitz why Merling was playing so far out, but he shouldnt be able to run stride for stride with a WR.

 

[dave]

Dave: Don't stop doing your power rankings because one drunken idiot cares way too much about where he's ranked. People really enjoy your rankings every week.
OK. But I will no longer include OOBL.
VSN can't ban people, so I will ban him from my power rankings.
Think of him as an *

Some of the guidelines are necessary, but others are just restrictive. To be honest, I'm having a hard time playing games against VSN'ers because the games are so boring. I feel like there's no strategy in the game as everyone plays the exact same way. Offense - 40 percent run; 60 percent pass. Most guys run 70 percent off-tackle plays. Most passes are to the TE and RB. Defense - All zone all game (mostly because bump and run is "frowned upon") while mixing in a few zone blitzes every now and then. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Agree 110%.
When guys play my D, they say it's weird, because they never see that kind of play.
Same as NWSaint. When I play him, it's so different than playing anyone else.

See above.

 

[OnlyOneBeerLeft]

Yea, take me out your ranking, Houtz, take me off the tracker, take me out of TGT, 2-2-0, Im done with this shit. If Dave wants to bitch and exclude me from his power rankings even tho Im clearly deserving in them. Houtz you want to complain just because I do exactly what Realist just said, I do tend to use extra CB's if I have a feeling your tossing, running outside, or passing. Its gut instinct, and holy shit...I WAS RIGHT almost every time. Am I cheese because I can know what your about to do? Seriously I would rather play cheesers, at least they dont bitch and try and say how shitty of a person I am. Seriously man you got the MM bullshit Nazi leader bullshit running way too strong and I thought we were "friends" or cool with eachother to say the least.

 

[steeljake]

OOBL the reason no one likes you right now is cuz the number one rule in sim ball is too respect your oppenent. most of us are grown men with families and jobs and when we get an hour or two to do what we want we dont want to play against someone who is being an ass. your game isnt what one would call strictly sim in the first place and add to that some alcohol and you get called out.

back on the topic of bad games...

CLW is a bum, the fucker quit on me in the 3rd quarter. he got up on me 13-0 in the first 3 minutes of the game but i stayed cool and got back into it and was up 14-13 at the half. he threw two picks and blew a coverage on a play action and i am up 28-13, the next time he throws a pick... bam! connection lost. nothing said on aim or in a psn message and he was still logged in.

 

[steeljake]

Yea, take me out your ranking, Houtz, take me off the tracker, take me out of TGT, 2-2-0, Im done with this shit. If Dave wants to bitch and exclude me from his power rankings even tho Im clearly deserving in them. Houtz you want to complain just because I do exactly what Realist just said, I do tend to use extra CB's if I have a feeling your tossing, running outside, or passing. Its gut instinct, and holy shit...I WAS RIGHT almost every time. Am I cheese because I can know what your about to do? Seriously I would rather play cheesers, at least they dont bitch and try and say how shitty of a person I am. Seriously man you got the MM bullshit Nazi leader bullshit running way too strong and I thought we were "friends" or cool with eachother to say the least.

man you should quit this shit if you take it so seriuosly, only tourney ballers act like you do.