Official New York Giants Forum Thread

[dave]

I wasn't actually bashing the Giants in my post.
I was praising them.

My whole point was - one loss didn't destroy their season, they still had their playoff destiny in their own hands.

I really didn't intend to offend Giants' fans. Seriously. I hate the Cowboys, not the Giants. I want my team to beat them, but that's it.

It's not Tom Coughlin's fault Eli's playing like a rookie, Jacobs and Bradshaw can't hold on tp the ball, the receivers aren't running crisp routes, and the defense can't get it done. Players have to make the fucking plays!!

Shit, you cats think everything will change with Bill Cowher? Please, look at the playoff collapses that happened under his watch.

Maybe we overrated the talent and heart of this team.

Agreed.
All those turnovers have nothing to do with the coach.
Mind you, I think they should say goodbye to Perry Fewell. He's awful.
It's OK to mix up your playcalling.

 

[jms493]

I wasn't actually bashing the Giants in my post.
I was praising them.

My whole point was - one loss didn't destroy their season, they still had their playoff destiny in their own hands.

I really didn't intend to offend Giants' fans. Seriously. I hate the Cowboys, not the Giants. I want my team to beat them, but that's it.
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i believed u called us all stupid fags......hence the "fuck you"

 

[dave]

i believed u called us all stupid fags......hence the "fuck you"

Oh, sorry. LOL
But you are still Giants' fans.
Instincts were kicking in.

 

[jeffx]

It's not the Giants way to fire coaches with time left on their contract. Coughlin still has a year to go. He won't get an extension if the Giants miss the playoffs.

 

[jeffx]

The offensive line got their ass bashed in by a hungry Packers front 7. A lot of people think it was a mistake to instantly put O'Hara back at starting center, perhaps it was.

What I do know is the Giants got their asses handed to them based on stupid mistakes. Off the top of my head...the number of times a receiver ran the wrong route, the TWO fumbles by Bradshaw and Jacobs, Boss trying to be a savior instead of falling on the damn ball...

The defense was horrible. They blitzed the house and STILL couldn't get to Rodgers except for a sack on one play and a handful of hits after he threw. The secondary left the receivers wide open in zone which Rodgers attacked consistently for 4 quarters.

The lack of depth was blatantly obvious down the stretch. I really hope the next coach doesn't try to turn the team into a 3-4 defense...my god. Get as many fresh bodied DTs and pass rushers in and stockpile the shit out of them. No reason guys should be gassed by the 2nd half.

And are these special teams a damn joke at this point or what? I am sick and tired of seeing other teams with explosive players returning the ball, making sick tackles (ie. doing what david tyree did pre-super bowl heroics), etc. We are down to our 3rd and 4th return guys (DJ Ware, Nicks, Ross)....I hope whomever the coach is, Jerry Reese brings in some legit return specialists.

Carl Banks says it time and time again. The Giants don't pay attention to detail and do the 'little things' necessary to win games. The coaches preach this but the players aren't getting the message.

 

[dave]

The Giants failure to establish a run game the past two weeks has been their #2 undoing, IMO.
Not sure why that hasn't happened. The Giants have a great O-Line and two great RBs (other than Bradshaw's fumbleitis).
It's easy to blame Manning and his INTs, but I think the problems are bigger than #10.

 

[EmpireWF]

The Giants failure to establish a run game the past two weeks has been their #2 undoing, IMO.
Not sure why that hasn't happened. The Giants have a great O-Line and two great RBs (other than Bradshaw's fumbleitis).

10 isn't the problem. The oline has not been great at all the past 5 quarters. Shaun O'Hara should not have been starting at center and they got no push. If they have a run game in the 4th quarter against Philly, they ice the game. If they can get a run game going early in Green Bay, maybe it's a different turnout.

Not to mention the defense/special teams.

 

[CrimsonGhost56]

next week's game got moved to 4:15 so the giants will know by gametime if there is any chance of the playoffs

 

[EmpireWF]

I hope Fox doesn't go all ramjackson and NOT air the Bears/Packers game in NY at 1pm on Sunday.

 

[Rayman]

The offensive line got their ass bashed in by a hungry Packers front 7. A lot of people think it was a mistake to instantly put O'Hara back at starting center, perhaps it was.

What I do know is the Giants got their asses handed to them based on stupid mistakes. Off the top of my head...the number of times a receiver ran the wrong route, the TWO fumbles by Bradshaw and Jacobs, Boss trying to be a savior instead of falling on the damn ball...

The defense was horrible. They blitzed the house and STILL couldn't get to Rodgers except for a sack on one play and a handful of hits after he threw. The secondary left the receivers wide open in zone which Rodgers attacked consistently for 4 quarters.

The lack of depth was blatantly obvious down the stretch. I really hope the next coach doesn't try to turn the team into a 3-4 defense...my god. Get as many fresh bodied DTs and pass rushers in and stockpile the shit out of them. No reason guys should be gassed by the 2nd half.
And are these special teams a damn joke at this point or what? I am sick and tired of seeing other teams with explosive players returning the ball, making sick tackles (ie. doing what david tyree did pre-super bowl heroics), etc. We are down to our 3rd and 4th return guys (DJ Ware, Nicks, Ross)....I hope whomever the coach is, Jerry Reese brings in some legit return specialists.

Pardon me, but what the hell do you think they've been doing? That is, and has for the last 5 years, been their biggest strength.

 

[Youk]

It's not the Giants way to fire coaches with time left on their contract. Coughlin still has a year to go. He won't get an extension if the Giants miss the playoffs.

I think the Giants need to seriously consider the "Giants way" then, or at least trash the entire staff besides Coughlin. If I'm a fan, I'd be livid if no action was taken. Obviously INT thrown by Manning are not Coughlin's fault, but poor challenge calls, ouch, that will do it.

 

[Dan The Man]

The thing is, it's not the Giants way to keep a coach onboard for a lame duck season. Last time everybody wanted him fired after 2006, they gave him that one-year extension and let him prove himself in '07. We know how that worked out, but I don't see them giving any type of extension after 2 back-to-back collapses with no playoffs.

 

[jms493]

but poor challenge calls, ouch, that will do it.

LMAO....u have NO idea what ur talking about.

 

[EmpireWF]

It's not the Giants way to fire coaches with time left on their contract. Coughlin still has a year to go. He won't get an extension if the Giants miss the playoffs.

The Giants will either give him an extension or cut him loose.

 

[EmpireWF]

Pardon me, but what the hell do you think they've been doing? That is, and has for the last 5 years, been their biggest strength.

Well, Rocky Bernard has been a waste of money and Linval Joseph has barely played.

At DE, once Kiwanuka went down...it went to Tuck/Osi/JPP.

Keep 'em coming. With Cofield in a contract year, they may have a big need at DT.

Stockpile em fatties/pass rushers even more.

 

[strahanfan92]

It's not the Giants way to fire coaches with time left on their contract. Coughlin still has a year to go. He won't get an extension if the Giants miss the playoffs.

You got this wrong jeff.

It's not the Giants way to let coaches coach on their final year of their contract (which is the 2011 season). They will either fire or extend his contract before next season.


You guys that want Coughlin fired are out of your fucking mind. We have a top 5 coach in the league that has won us a super bowl (And if you think Coughlin didn't play a big role in that SB run your fucking nuts, he did everything right i.e playing the starters vs. the Pats in wk 17). After the absolutely sickening Tennessee game did you guys think we were gonna make the playoffs? I sure didn't. At 1-2 it looked like the season was going to turn into a terrible down spin. Instead, we go on a 5 game win streak and become one of the best teams in the NFC.

A coach doesn't turn the ball over 41 times in 15 games. The players need to be held accountable for such despicable turnovers.

As for the retarded comment by Youk, who should really not be allowed to post in the NFL forum, challenges are not the problem (especially when Coughlin has one of the best challenges record in the history of replay). Did you just pull that comment strictly out of your ass?

You guys really want Cowher? Who basically has the same exact resume as Coughlin except hasn't coached in 5 years? Not me that's for sure.


And those that want Perry Fewel gone (tardDave), I ask why? Are we that spoiled? Do we fire first-year coaches over 5 bad quarters? No. Jesus Christ does anybody remember the long terrible Tim Lewis era? Up until the Eagles collapse we had one of the best and most feared defenses in the league. Fewel has been great this season and I'm not gonna let a game and a quarter change my mind. The difference between this years and last years D is huge. Sheridan got exposed in Week 6 against the Saints and the defense was torn apart the rest of the season. Fewel has brought back the Giants D that we know and love to watch.


We are seriously a false start, a Kenny Phillips tackle, or an onside recovery away from winning our division and maybe even having a first round bye. For me personally, I don't want to fire our coaches due to one 7 minute debacle.


Except Tom Quinn, that fucker has to go.

 

[jeffx]

A coach doesn't turn the ball over 41 times in 15 games. The players need to be held accountable for such despicable turnovers.

Thank you. Think about this - the Giants are 9-6 WITH those turnovers! They could be serious contenders if they could just clean that shit it - so fucking frustrating.

 

[DJ Rhude]

sigh

I hope we keep Coughlin and Fewell though....fire the players who can't hold on to the ball, miss assignments and can't tackle

 

[EmpireWF]

BITCH!!!

First, O'Hara re aggravated his injury and won't play Sunday.

BUT HAKEEM NICKS has a broken toe and won't play either.

 

[DJ Rhude]

When it rains....