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Official Philadelphia Phillies Thread

Blade said:
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/Looking_ahead_to_an_interesting_2011.html

Read this up man, breaks down the money owed to each player in 2011. Money was definitely one of two reasons they pulled the Lee trade. I never said it was the only reason.

They just would not have enough money to pay Cliff Lee, who would command a CC Sabathia contract in a year. Maybe they will have enough money for Werth maybe they won't, depends on how much money frees up after this season. And hell they may have to deal him at the trade deadline if he is having another killer season and Rube figures he doesn't have money to pay him. Or they could trade Ibanez after the season, and I am not sure if Moyer's 2011 is a Team option or not.
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This has nothing to do with 2011. The Phils had Lee under control for this year, for 7.5 mil from the team option they originally exercised when the season ended. They offered him the same 3 yr/60 mil contract they eventually gave Halladay, and Lee declined. They had zero intentions of keeping him after 2010 once he declined that.

You're right, he wanted a CC type contract and the Phils wanted no parts of it, that's why they traded him.

Having Halladay/Lee on the same team was only possible for 2010 only. If they wanted it to happen, they would've traded Blanton, who's $7.5 expected salary at the time would've paid for Lee's contract this season that the Phils had control of. Halladay obviously agreed on the 3 yr / 60 mil contract originally offered to Lee, so it would've been possible to have them on the same team this season. The difference would've been Blanton would've been gone and his salary this season would've been paid to Lee, basically.

What it came down to was the prospects RAJ would have gotten for Lee vs. Blanton. Obviously Lee will get you a much better return, so he went that route.

Blade said:
Things got interesting today....

First Rube pretty much points out the potential carpet to the EXIT for Jayson Werth .....

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/Amaro_raises_interesting_questions_about_Werths_future.html

And then, the Phils sign Contreras to a 1-year contract, don't know about that one...

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/Phillies_sign_Contreras_to_one_year_deal.html
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It'll be interesting to see what happens with Werth. I think the Phils are hoping Werth will give them a discount since we were the team to take a chance on Werth and get him back to all star status like he was projected to be before his wrist injury. To Jason's credit, he worked hard to get back to where he's been and I'm sure he wants to get paid. The Phils will offer him a contract that only works for them, and hopefully Jason takes it. I'm 50/50 on whether he'll be back or not.

I think Contreras is an OK signing as long as they use him in a long relief role. He put up pretty good numbers at the end of 09 in that role(1.59 ERA in 7 appearances with COL), so maybe he can fill the void for Chan Ho. I want no parts of him as a starter.
 
I'm still bitter about the Lee situation and think that he was totally fucking sandbagged and misrepresented in the media by both Ruben and the Phils front office.
 
SethMode said:
I'm still bitter about the Lee situation and think that he was totally fucking sandbagged and misrepresented in the media by both Ruben and the Phils front office.
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Why though? The Phils would have kept Lee long term but he wanted a CC type deal. Phillies wanted no part in giving him a 6 or 7 year deal. They offered him 3 yrs / 60 mil and he said no.

Knowing they probably weren't going to be able to keep him beyond 2010, they went and got Halladay. Halladay agreed to the 3 year / 60 mil deal originally offered to Lee. Now they have a better pitcher for 4 years, rather than Lee for 1.

The Phillies would have been fine with keeping Lee, but he wanted more years/money. Phillies just don't give long contracts to pitchers like that (at least recently), so once he said no to the original offer, they had to make a move.

Like I said before, could they have kept both for 2010? Yes. But Amaro decided it was better to think long term and get quality prospects in return by trading Lee rather than keeping him for 1 more season and hoping to win a WS.

I wish we could have kept Lee for this season with Halladay, but I see why they did what they did.
 
Well about Contreras, the Phillies backed off Smoltz because Smoltz told the Phillies he wanted he wanted to be a starter. At that point, Ruben and company turned towards Jose. So what that is telling me is Jose agreed to relief work, but I'm sure he was told that he will have a chance at starting if something goes wrong in the rotation.
 
I think WErth is good as gone...he's gonna won a lot of money and I believe him hitting the open market after another good year would be money. Plus the Phils have TONS of OF prospects looming. With Ibanez/Victorino locked up, I think Werth is good as gone.
 
Mogriffjr said:
I think WErth is good as gone...he's gonna won a lot of money and I believe him hitting the open market after another good year would be money. Plus the Phils have TONS of OF prospects looming. With Ibanez/Victorino locked up, I think Werth is good as gone.
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They don't have any MLB ready OF prospects. Taylor was the only one and he got traded. Dom Brown is still a couple years away (when Ibanez is gone) and Gillies we don't know anything about.

Hopefully Werth will take a little bit of a discount to stay here, but I doubt it.
 
Just got a Facebook update...

Chooch has been locked up for 3 years for $8.85 million. He's got a 4th year option worth $5 mill, but the team can buy that out for $500,000 if they feel it.
 
Another good signing. I used to hate on Chooch but he has become steady behind the dish and his performance in the last 2 playoffs has been amazing.

Amaro continues to impress by locking key guys up.
 
I was going to come in here for the sole purpose of trolling this thread but I'll be better than that.

No promises though once the season starts
 
SuperKevin said:
The mere thought of rooting for the Phillies makes me want to vomit with rage.
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This must have really made you sick then:

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DaMMplaymaker said:
I wish they would have gotten a better bat at catcher, but Chooch is a great defensive catcher so I am can deal with his up and down bat.
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There aren't really that many good bats available out there for the money they had left to sign one. Russel Martin was the best hitting catcher 2 seasons ago, and last year he was down. Sandoval in SF is ridiculous, but I don't think he even played the entire season at Catcher, and hes signed through a few seasons. They also won't let go of Molina. St. Louis extended Yadier's contract. Jason Kendall is pre-historic and Atlanta would be crazy to get rid of the Phillies killer Brian McCann.

Here are the hitting stats that were worthwhile to show on yahoo.com....

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/stats/byposition?pos=C&conference=NL&year=season_2009&qualified=1
 
Blade said:
There aren't really that many good bats available out there for the money they had left to sign one. Russel Martin was the best hitting catcher 2 seasons ago, and last year he was down. Sandoval in SF is ridiculous, but I don't think he even played the entire season at Catcher, and hes signed through a few seasons. They also won't let go of Molina. St. Louis extended Yadier's contract. Jason Kendall is pre-historic and Atlanta would be crazy to get rid of the Phillies killer Brian McCann.

Here are the hitting stats that were worthwhile to show on yahoo.com....

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/stats/byposition?pos=C&conference=NL&year=season_2009&qualified=1
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Exactly. Chooch's hitting isn't that much of a need with this offense. He calls a good game and plays pretty good D and comes up big in the playoffs. I'll take that from the #8 hitter.

We have enough bats that we don't need everyone to be a .280 + hitter. Not to mention there isn't much out there when it comes to good hitting catchers, like Blade said.
 
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