Ohio St. gets 1 year bowl ban

[Bear Pand]

I've hated Pryor since back when he was a freshman lol

Nah.

I didn't see you turn on dude until Purdue exposed him. :dunno:

Pryor's career vs Purdue:
One win
One loss
One Forfeit

Trifecta

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[ralaw]

I'm amazed at the arrogance of OSU fans.....they actually have the nerve to complain about these sanctions?

 

[NAHSTE]

Jim Tressel's reign of ignorance arguably should have resulted in the death penalty from the NCAA. Knowingly covering-up repeated violations....isn't that the whole point of having the death penalty? Getting caught, punished, and still committing the same offenses year after year...isn't that death penalty worthy?

Not to the Ohio State semantics police, who would argue that the NCAA never officially slapped them with the "lack of institutional control" charge. They just, you know, failed to control their institution.

 

[FirstTimer]

I'm confused about the outrage from USC fans. You had a player basically getting paid hundreds of thousands of dollars, either through gifts or otherwise, the coach and the AD tried to deny it/cover it up and Bush lied to the investigators about it. For bettr for worse at tOSU players didn't take nearly as much money, were pretty cooperative with the NCAA etc. Both head coaches and AD's are sleeze balls but I can see where the NCAA drew the line.

 

[Senser81]

Not to the Ohio State semantics police, who would argue that the NCAA never officially slapped them with the "lack of institutional control" charge. They just, you know, failed to control their institution.

Its kind of like a circular problem. When Reggie Germany has a 0.0 GPA after 4 years, Andy Katzenmoyer has taken 17 credits worth of bowling classes over the summer to remain eligible for the upcoming season, Maurice Clarett is allowed to take oral exams to pass his math and science courses, and the NCAA still doesn't do anything, then I guess you can't technically point to "prior transgressions" because the NCAA was too spineless back then to do anything.

The whole situation stinks. Its like Ohio State is getting off easy TWICE...since they weren't punished back when Tressel first started, they are allowed to escape the death penalty upon Tressel's departure.

 

[BrntO4Life]

I'm confused about the outrage from USC fans. You had a player basically getting paid hundreds of thousands of dollars, either through gifts or otherwise, the coach and the AD tried to deny it/cover it up and Bush lied to the investigators about it. For bettr for worse at tOSU players didn't take nearly as much money, were pretty cooperative with the NCAA etc. Both head coaches and AD's are sleeze balls but I can see where the NCAA drew the line.

I'm not even a USC fan and most of what you've typed is hearsay. The NCAA has actual proof of Tressel's cover-up, while no hard evidence exists regarding involvement on the part of Pete Carroll or any other member of his staff with regards to Bush.

Bush acted as an individual as far as the evidence shows. And yet, USC was slapped with a "lack of institutional control" charge. For what? One player taking shitloads of cash and gifts on his own volition?

Again, it doesn't add up.

School A gets a two-year postseason ban, a 30 scholarship reduction, and a national championship rescinded. School A had one player, who was the face of college football at the time, take a ton of money and gifts and none of it could be tied back to the staff or others inside the program.

School B gets a one-year postseason ban, a 9 scholarship reduction, and a Sugar Bowl win rescinded. School B had 5+ players, who weren't the face of college football, take a decent amount of money and gifts and the head coach knowingly brushed all concerns aside numerous times.

Again, I think it all boils down to the fact that the NCAA was far more embarrassed when Bush turned out to be a cheat because of how much they invested in his image.

 

[FirstTimer]

I'm not even a USC fan and most of what you've typed is hearsay. The NCAA has actual proof of Tressel's cover-up, while no hard evidence exists regarding involvement on the part of Pete Carroll or any other member of his staff with regards to Bush.

Bush acted as an individual as far as the evidence shows. And yet, USC was slapped with a "lack of institutional control" charge. For what? One player taking shitloads of cash and gifts on his own volition?

I also think that part of it was USC was allowing a lot of celbs and tuff at practice. Wasn't really monitoring their players as they should have been and the NCAA felt lied to all along during the process by pretty much everyone at USC. Bush included.

 

[Coked Up Elmo]

I'm not even a USC fan and most of what you've typed is hearsay. The NCAA has actual proof of Tressel's cover-up, while no hard evidence exists regarding involvement on the part of Pete Carroll or any other member of his staff with regards to Bush.

Bush acted as an individual as far as the evidence shows. And yet, USC was slapped with a "lack of institutional control" charge. For what? One player taking shitloads of cash and gifts on his own volition?

Again, it doesn't add up.

School A gets a two-year postseason ban, a 30 scholarship reduction, and a national championship rescinded. School A had one player, who was the face of college football at the time, take a ton of money and gifts.

School B gets a one-year postseason ban, a 9 scholarship reduction, and a Sugar Bowl win rescinded. School B had 5+ players, who weren't the face of college football, take a decent amount of money and gifts.

Again, I think it all boils down to the fact that the NCAA was far more embarrassed when Bush turned out to be a cheat because of how much they invested in his image.

school a also had oj mayo. 2 players accused of the same things in 2 different sports i guess=lack of institutional control :dunno:

 

[BrntO4Life]

school a also had oj mayo. 2 players accused of the same things in 2 different sports i guess=lack of institutional control :dunno:

The programs are separate and should be treated as thus. I have no issues with the charge as it related to basketball - Tim Floyd is a crook.

 

[Sportsbuck]

Its kind of like a circular problem. When Reggie Germany has a 0.0 GPA after 4 years, Andy Katzenmoyer has taken 17 credits worth of bowling classes over the summer to remain eligible for the upcoming season, Maurice Clarett is allowed to take oral exams to pass his math and science courses, and the NCAA still doesn't do anything, then I guess you can't technically point to "prior transgressions" because the NCAA was too spineless back then to do anything.

The first two are embarrassments. Katzenmoyer may have been technically 'eligible', but I think those two really sum up the John Cooper years pretty well. You know my feelings on Clarett.

The whole situation stinks. Its like Ohio State is getting off easy TWICE...since they weren't punished back when Tressel first started, they are allowed to escape the death penalty upon Tressel's departure.

How did Ohio State get off easy the first time? The investigation centered around Maurice Clarett getting extra benefits (Which he did) and Clarett repeatedly lying to NCAA investigators throughout.

 

[Sportsbuck]

Jim Tressel's reign of ignorance arguably should have resulted in the death penalty from the NCAA. Knowingly covering-up repeated violations....isn't that the whole point of having the death penalty? Getting caught, punished, and still committing the same offenses year after year...isn't that death penalty worthy?

How did he repeatedly cover up violations? The only thing he was proven to have covered up would be the original Tat 5 violations.

 

[Sportsbuck]

An important distinction to be made between Ohio St. and USC and the 'LOIC' charge is the fact that USC's case concerned multiple sports (Football, basketball, and I believe one or two others) with similar instances happening, whereas Ohio State's was concentrated on one sport only.

As well, the level of cooperation a school has with the NCAA plays a large role in how the whole process is handled, for example take a look at the NCAA recent rulings with LSU and Georgia Tech. USC stonewalled the NCAA from the get-go, whereas Ohio State self-reported the original Tat 5 violations upon the FBI's notification, self-reported Tressel's cover-up and other violations that were uncovered, and cooperated fully with the investigation from the get-go.

 

[Sportsbuck]

Quadruple post here, but I just wanted to say that really, but my anger isn't directed at the sanctions that we received from the NCAA, but rather at our idiotic AD Gene Smith. Based on the case, I think the sanctions are just fine. If not for the repeat violator rule I would disagree considering what we were charged with, but given that we were considering a repeat violator they are fine.

The man talked all along about how a bowl ban is not likely because of precedent and blah blah blah, well turns out he only went back to 2007 researching precedent while the NCAA went back to 2002.

The independent research firm that tOSU consulted about self-imposing sanctions suggested a 6 scholarship reduction over 3 years, 4 years of probation, and a 1 year bowl ban. Gene decided that not only did we not need a bowl ban, but that reducing the probation and scholarships would be a good idea as well. Those 'in the know', say that if he had imposed a bowl ban for this year, the NCAA wouldn't have added on to it.

Gordon Gee and Gene Smith are fucking clowns. I will give Gee credit because he's an oustanding fundraiser and because of him this University has taken major steps forward academically, but the way they handled this entire ordeal from start to finish just proved how inadequate they were for this University.

 

[ZoneBlitz]

The NCAA enforcing its archaic rules is equivalent to the government enforcing marijuana illegality.

 

[Hasselbeck]

I'm confused about the outrage from USC fans. You had a player basically getting paid hundreds of thousands of dollars, either through gifts or otherwise, the coach and the AD tried to deny it/cover it up and Bush lied to the investigators about it. For bettr for worse at tOSU players didn't take nearly as much money, were pretty cooperative with the NCAA etc. Both head coaches and AD's are sleeze balls but I can see where the NCAA drew the line.

It's simple.. Pete Carroll, as much as you want to suspect he knew about what Bush was doing, was never tied to any of it. It was all speculation from fans/media.

Jim Tressel? AMPLE proof he knew and he was the main person covering all this up.

So how is one program absolutely hammered for something one player did without all the key people in the program knowing (and maybe I'm naive but I really believe Pete Carroll didn't know until it was too late) .. while the other gets a little slap on the wrist and won't make a bowl game in 2012 for something far worse in the grand scheme of things.

This is what I, and so many others hate about the NCAA. There is absolutely NO consistency in any of their rulings when it comes to this sort of thing.

 

[Sportsbuck]

It's simple.. Pete Carroll, as much as you want to suspect he knew about what Bush was doing, was never tied to any of it. It was all speculation from fans/media.

Jim Tressel? AMPLE proof he knew and he was the main person covering all this up.

So how is one program absolutely hammered for something one player did without all the key people in the program knowing (and maybe I'm naive but I really believe Pete Carroll didn't know until it was too late) .. while the other gets a little slap on the wrist and won't make a bowl game in 2012 for something far worse in the grand scheme of things.

This is what I, and so many others hate about the NCAA. There is absolutely NO consistency in any of their rulings when it comes to this sort of thing.

IIRC, the only evidence the AA had on McNair knowing about Bush's illegal benefits was an unconvincing 2 minute taped conversation with a convicted felon.

I'm just pointing out the obvious and well-known here, but USC football really got screwed over by the NCAA no matter how you want to look at it.

 

[jwmann2]

Pretty minimal sentence to a program that has been dirty since the beginning. They're losing a lot of money though in revenue.

 

[Senser81]

How did Ohio State get off easy the first time? The investigation centered around Maurice Clarett getting extra benefits (Which he did) and Clarett repeatedly lying to NCAA investigators throughout.

Sorry, I'm going to pick off this idiotic postings of yours "sniper style"...one by one. So its going to be a long list of repeat postings by myself. Your postings are so terrible, that I can't just package them in one neat and tidy response.

How did Ohio State get off easy the first time? Because they were never penalized. Players were selling tickets/memorabilia as far back as 2002, yet nothing was ever done. Clarett had use of a fleet of motor vehicles and was given summer jobs of watering the artificial turf, yet the NCAA did nothing. Your specious claim that Clarett repeatedly "lied" would be similar to someone who still doubts Jose Canseco's steroid claims AFTER all this evidence has come to light. For someone such as yourself to still think that Clarett was "lying" about Ohio State's transgressions, you must truly have your head in the sand.

 

[Senser81]

How did he repeatedly cover up violations? The only thing he was proven to have covered up would be the original Tat 5 violations.

How did he repeatedly cover up violations? He never self-reported any of the violations, as mandated by the NCAA. You REALLY need to brush up on your NCAA rules and regulations if you are going to continue to comment on issues such as these.

Maurice Clarett.

The memorabilia for cash scam was in place shortly after Tressel's arrival. 28 former players have been found to have participated, and undoubtedly there are several dozen more.

Troy Smith taking cash from boosters.

Need I go on? And this doesn't even take into account that Tressel's program at Youngstown State was equally dirty.

 

[Senser81]

An important distinction to be made between Ohio St. and USC and the 'LOIC' charge is the fact that USC's case concerned multiple sports (Football, basketball, and I believe one or two others) with similar instances happening, whereas Ohio State's was concentrated on one sport only.

As well, the level of cooperation a school has with the NCAA plays a large role in how the whole process is handled, for example take a look at the NCAA recent rulings with LSU and Georgia Tech. USC stonewalled the NCAA from the get-go, whereas Ohio State self-reported the original Tat 5 violations upon the FBI's notification, self-reported Tressel's cover-up and other violations that were uncovered, and cooperated fully with the investigation from the get-go.

Ohio State's basketball program was even dirtier than its football program. The most recent spate of football rule-breaking at Ohio State overlapped with probation remaining from when the men's basketball program committed major violations under then-coach Jim O'Brien in 2004.

Do you have any idea of what you are talking about?