Oliver Stone's Secret History to Put Hitler, Stalin into Context

[FirstTimer]

There is also no proof that disproves this theory.

Maybe you should get some that proves it then? Because the facts are that Oswald acted alone of his own volition. All the evidence and investigating points to that.

Oswald might have been a head case but he was also an ex US Marine and had the kind of background that would make him the perfect accomplice to carry out the assassination.

No he didn't. Oswald was a complete flake who loved to be the center of attention, loved to run his mouth and be in the public, and loved to be the center of the story. He was always more than willing to step in front of a camera and flap his gums, go on local New Orleans/Dallas radio and talk about Communism etc. Oswald was the last person you would want as your gun man..or even in a conspiracy at all. He was mentally unstable, a depressive, a complete egotistical jerk, and someone who was trying to flee the US months prior to the assassination.

As for Jack Ruby, he was a known associate of Sam Giancana of the Chicago mafia and the Campisi family of Dallas. The Campisi's were lieutenants of Carlos Marcello of New Orleans, who was very vocal about his desire to have Kennedy killed.

*GASP* Someone wanted the president killed? How many people want Obama dead right now in the US and World Wide? More or less than a million? LOL at being "very vocal" about wanting JFK killed. If they were "smart" enough to have the president killed don't you think they'd be "smart" enough to make sure they didn't bring attention towards themselves by being very vocal about it as a time when the US Federal government was going nuts tapping phone lines and cracking down on the mob? The "logic" of this theory is ridiculously bad.

Interesting that the day before the assassination, Ruby spent the evening at the Campisi's restaurant in Dallas and they were first people he wanted to see after being arrested for killing Oswald.

You mean a strip club owner in Dallas in the 1960's knew people in the mob? What? Perhaps Ruby thought these mobsters might know of some good lawyers? I don't find it odd that Ruby would eat with any of these men on any night...of they were as close as conspiracy whacks like to say they were.

Which by the way..Ruby's closest associates deny that Ruby was closely tied to these men. Yes they were acquaintances but reports say Ruby liked more to mention he knew these people for the shock value/name dropping than for the fact that he was "in" with them.

Ruby also had a horrible temper and was also known to run his mouth as well...and if the mob was as close to him as the theory claims....they would have known this and never hired him to hire out the hit.

Also, ask any organized crime expert. The mafia doesn't hire somebody to hire somebody to kill someone. Too many loose ends and too much risk with one person talking. They either do it themselves or hire them directly. So it's entirely illogical and unlikely one of the most prominent crime families in America at the time would have hired a short tempered strip club owner to hire a manic depressive Communist to pull the trigger. It makes no sense. None.

There is tons of circumstantial evidence that you can add to the above facts but the following hypothesis is hard to disprove entirely....Ruby recruits Oswald at the request of two of the most powerful mobsters in the country, Oswald carries out the assassination and when he is caught and declares that he is "just a patsy", the mafia gets nervous of him ratting them out and dispatches Ruby to tie up that loose end since he recruited him.

LOL at the mafia getting nervous of Oswald ratting them out. If the mob was so nervous about getting found out why would they have Ruby hire out the hit when Ruby had known close ties to the Dallas PD ? If they were so nervous about Oswald to begin with why sign off on letting him do the hit and then why dispatch Ruby to shoot Oswald in broad day light? Ruby's own reaction to the assassination of JFK disprove this theory. When JFK was shot Ruby was known to be angry, pissed, livid, and sobbing "He killed my president". Not exactly the reaction of a guy who was "in" on it.

 

[stevsta]

His comments on Stalin were ridiculous:

"Stalin has a complete other story," Stone said. "Not to paint him as a hero, but to tell a more factual representation. He fought the German war machine more than any single person. We can't judge people as only 'bad' or 'good.'

There really isn't any mystery to Stalin. There is no 'other story'. His hunger for power made him paranoid, which contributed to his ruthlessness (and, eventually his downfall). Even to claim that he 'fought the German war machine' is only a half-truth....Stalin engaged the Germans only after they threatened his power by invading Russia...and when the brutal Russian winter turned back the German troops, Stalin saw this as a great opportunity for Russia to "re-take" all the Eastern European countries which Hitler had conveniently laid in shambles for Stalin.

I am not aware of an 'other story'.

you forgot to mention how originally russia was basically "ok" with what germany was doing as long as they were not attacked

 

[Sven Draconian]

I cannot even put into words how unbelievably retarded the entire article I just read was. Oliver Stone is one of the most ignorant, idiotic motherfuckers alive today. You cannot try and put Hitler into context, he was possibly the most evil person to have ever existed.

Please, Hitler isn't even the most evil person of the 20th century. Hell, he wasn't even the most evil person in WWII.

Just for starters, I'd put Stalin over Hitler.
I'd put the various leaders of the Kwantung army over Hitler (What happened in China/Korea was disgusting).

Let alone if you start tackling the Balkans andthe genocidal fuckheads in that spot.

Or, probably worse, the truly sickening "generals" of the various African para-military units. You know, the gusy who drug children (pre-teens...) and get them addicted to cocaine and brainwash them to turn them into "soldiers" to get them to shoot-up villages for them.

Let alone if you go into history and start looking at sparta...Roman generals and govenors...crusaders.... the various religous wars following the reformation.
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It's sad that Oliver Stone is leading this project. Hitler and Stalin are, in large part, a product of the society that was created post WWI. Not many Americans really understand post WWI europe, since America had a minor role...and we won WWII a lot of the effects are often glanced over.

It's easy to blame individuals (Hitler/Stalin) without looking at their society. Russia was anti-west because of constant intervention (Crimea...foreign troops in 1918/1919 ect...). Germany turned hostile because of a weak government that the people never wanted, and that sold out the army, creating a host of bitter veterans that wanted revenge. Further, anti-semitism was HUGE in E. Europe before Hitler and after Hitler. Go look up how many Jews were killed in the USSR for instance.

With all that said, Stone is not going to portray things right, but whatever.