Overeem released

[EmpireWF]

Fabricio Werdum vs. Chad Griggs
Antonio Silva vs. Daniel Cormier


lulz

 

[EmpireWF]

Oh, and they ruined the best tournament since pride, congrats

Too bad Coker didn't have all his shit together or else the tournament wouldn't have been able to turn into mush.

Why book Overeem if his contract would have run out before the end of the tournament?

Why use Barnett when he can't fight in any significant state?

Why allow any fighter to take outside bookings while active in the tournament?

Oh well, the past is like your ass...

 

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OMG THE GP WAS DELAYED BY 2 MONTHS!

Facts are it fell a part under zuffa, case closed

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

OMG THE GP WAS DELAYED BY 2 MONTHS!

Facts are it fell a part under zuffa, case closed

It's funny how you place no blame on Coker's awful planning or Showtime's resistance to clear a date in October.

Yes, Zuffa had a hand in this. But not the only hand. Showtime doesn't give a fuck about the GP either, or would have cleared a date.

 

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It's funny how you place no blame on Coker's awful planning or Showtime's resistance to clear a date in October.

Yes, Zuffa had a hand in this. But not the only hand. Showtime doesn't give a fuck about the GP either, or would have cleared a date.

Showtime gave them a sept date for a show, no where does it say it had to be the GP

 

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the problem is MMA fans don't remember or care to remember how shit goes down

thei sept show was plannned already before it was named the GP, ZUffa named it the GP, this show was already rumored, Jacare, Luke, etc...mayve Gil or other fights, just 2 weeks ago did Zuffa start with the GP talks

There will probably be a Novemmber show, but zuffa didnt want to wait that long and they have conflicts with October because of the UFCs going on, this was just strong arming the fighters and see who would play ball, the Showtime smoke screen is just another way to confuse the fans which seems to have worked

 

[EmpireWF]

the problem is MMA fans don't remember or care to remember how shit goes down

thei sept show was plannned already before it was named the GP, ZUffa named it the GP, this show was already rumored, Jacare, Luke, etc...mayve Gil or other fights, just 2 weeks ago did Zuffa start with the GP talks

There will probably be a Novemmber show, but zuffa didnt want to wait that long and they have conflicts with October because of the UFCs going on, this was just strong arming the fighters and see who would play ball, the Showtime smoke screen is just another way to confuse the fans which seems to have worked

Forget November. Strikeforce may not even be around by then. :troll:

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

the problem is MMA fans don't remember or care to remember how shit goes down

thei sept show was plannned already before it was named the GP, ZUffa named it the GP, this show was already rumored, Jacare, Luke, etc...mayve Gil or other fights, just 2 weeks ago did Zuffa start with the GP talks

There will probably be a Novemmber show, but zuffa didnt want to wait that long and they have conflicts with October because of the UFCs going on, this was just strong arming the fighters and see who would play ball, the Showtime smoke screen is just another way to confuse the fans which seems to have worked

The first bold is not true.

October was always a target, but Overeem was told shortly after the Werdum fight that they were shooting for September. He was aware.

The second bold. Yes, they did not want to wait until November. You can get on them for that. But the October conflicts being the reason for all of this just dosn't hold up, because Zuffa did hold off on removing Overeem until they heard back from Showtime on an October date. Showtime balked. There was one Saturday and four Fridays open. Showtime did not want to shift their schedules.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

Just to clarify something, while Overeem talks about being informed late and not having time to get ready, he absolutely knew in late June about the planned 9/10 date, because in late June was when he asked if it could be delayed until October so his toe injury could heal up. He had a minimum 11 weeks if he had started camp when he was told. By the time he found out they were going to do the tournament on that day without him, yes, then he’d have had eight weeks. Overeem was told when he beat Fabricio Werdum, that the semifinals would likely be in October as that is what was being said that night. Showtime made the call for 9/10. There were forces who wanted it moved to October to save Overeem, thinking it would hurt the tournament without him, but Showtime had no available Saturday in October between boxing and other programming, and UFC already had 10/1, 10/8 and 10/29 booked and it makes no sense to run a show head-to-head with yourself, so 9/10 was the only date possible. At that point Overeem either could agree or be pulled and this is what happened. There were those in the company who were not happy he did Ariel Helwani’s show to make it appear UFC was unfair to him and threw the date at him late enough that he wouldn’t have time to adequately train. Overeem now hopes that his next fight will be a title defense against the tournament winner, which if that’s the case, wouldn’t take place until several months into 2012.

 

[EmpireWF]

/debate

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

There are lots of moving parts here. I can't place 100% blame on anyone.

Overeem looks really bad taking the United Glory fight, because he was told the day he was removed from the GP that they would give him a fight in the fall, plus a fight in the beginning of 2012 against the GP winner. They let him slide on burying the company for the GP removal, but taking an outside fight for the fall instead of the promised Zuffa booking sealed his fate.

Showtime could have opened up the free Sat or one of the Friday's in October. They chose no to. Zuffa could have backed it up until November. They chose not to. Overeem could have fought with his pinkie toe injury. He chose not to. There is blame to go around.

 

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He has a confirm busted rib

 

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still don't buy it, you are confusing a 9/10 show with being a HW GP round, that's what you are not getting. There was already a 9/10 show planned, but just a regular show, it never was a GP option until a couple weeks ago

Also, like I have said in the past, this is from a baised Dave Meltzer, no Showtime person has made any statements, it's all coming from Dana/zuffa

Would Showtime rather have a rushed 2 round GP fight of Cormier vs Big Foot or wait until only November to have Overeem vs Big Foot, showtime doesnt care about Overeem's 1 fight left, reupping or whatever, that's zuffa's deal

 

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Lol @ empire, meltzer has zero cred in mma now, he is kevin iole with a pro wrestling background

He also gave cm punk/cena 5 stars, lolololololol

 

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http://www.mmafighting.com/2011/07/...ing-cut-alistair-overeem-provides-video-proo/

The Reem documentary continued

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

still don't buy it, you are confusing a 9/10 show with being a HW GP round, that's what you are not getting. There was already a 9/10 show planned, but just a regular show, it never was a GP option until a couple weeks ago

Also, like I have said in the past, this is from a baised Dave Meltzer, no Showtime person has made any statements, it's all coming from Dana/zuffa

Would Showtime rather have a rushed 2 round GP fight of Cormier vs Big Foot or wait until only November to have Overeem vs Big Foot, showtime doesnt care about Overeem's 1 fight left, reupping or whatever, that's zuffa's deal

Showtime also doesn't give a shit if Overeem fights or not. That's where you are off base. You think they care, but they don't. All Showtime cares about is getting a show on the air in September, and not disrupting the October schedule. Overeem has never popped a TV rating. Probably makes zero difference to Showtime whether it's Overeem or Cormier, sad but true.

You wan't the proof?

THEY WOULDNT OPEN UP A DATE IN OCTOBER TO SAVE OVEREEM.

And now you are just in denial. Overeem knew about September eleven weeks out, because that's when he first told them he was hurt. Then he tried to spin it the way you are trying to spin it, claiming they snuck the date on him. That pissed them off, but they let it slide. Then when he took the outside fight, they basically said fuck this guy, gtfo. Go open cans on garbo shows.

 

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It was october or november, if they don't run a major show in those 2 months than you have as point

 

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And anyway, zuffa released him for either being hurt, signing a fight he is allowed to take or only having 1 fight left on his current contact, either way, none of those are valid reasons to cut him

Zuffa is wrong on all accounts, but I'm sure no one will say it

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

And anyway, zuffa released him for either being hurt, signing a fight he is allowed to take or only having 1 fight left on his current contact, either way, none of those are valid reasons to cut him

Zuffa is wrong on all accounts, but I'm sure no one will say it

rob you are letting your bias blind you.

Zuffa is guilty of not putting the thing off another month. That much I agree with.

Overeem is guilty of spinning the dates he was given in the media, and then taking an outside fight when he knew full well Zuffa intended on booking him in the fall. Was Zuffa a bit harsh for releasing him? Possibly. But what is the upside to keeping him? He had one fight left. They intended to give it to him, but after all of this, why bother doing him any favors? So he can get over on their TV, and then walk away as their champion? I can see their side. What if he hurts his pinkie toe again? How long does he sit on the shelf? The guy became a pain in the ass.

Showtime is the most guilty of causing all of this mess, by refusing to shuffle around some shitty movies to help out a programming partner. But again, they are in the TV business, so it probably isn't worth the trouble to change their schedules around at this point to accommodate a fighter who hasn't moved the needle. If this is Fedor, I bet they are more willing to help out.

 

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Funny how no interview by coker or anyone in the GP mentioned it being in sept all this time, it was always oct/nov or late fall, september never was mentioned until the switch was made, of course meltzer has the spin/scoop now, lol

This sport will always be 2nd rate when one of the 'top' reporters is dave meltzer, unbelievable, hows that press pass doing?