Overeem released

[Warner2BruceTD]

troll troll troll your boat

 

[EmpireWF]

Lol @ empire, meltzer has zero cred in mma now, he is kevin iole with a pro wrestling background

He also gave cm punk/cena 5 stars, lolololololol

You've never explained how Meltzer has no credibility.

Unless in Rob Land, more experience than everyone else means scrub.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

You've never explained how Meltzer has no credibility.

Unless in Rob Land, more experience than everyone else means scrub.

why are you doing this?

 

[Liquidrob]

How is it a troll when your access to the ufc/zuffa is handed out by them?

If you write negative opinion you are stripped of your pass, can't go to the event and your access is shut off

It's in your best interest to side with the zuffa, do you not agree with that?

 

[EmpireWF]

why are you doing this?

you threw him some rope first.

Let's both get off his lawn.

 

[EmpireWF]

How is it a troll when your access to the ufc/zuffa is handed out by them?

If you write negative opinion you are stripped of your pass, can't go to the event and your access is shut off

It's in your best interest to side with the zuffa, do you not agree with that?

Name/link one article where he purposefully spun a news story to favor UFC.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

Name/link one article where he purposefully spun a news story to favor UFC.

why are you doing this?

 

[SHOGUN]

opcorn:

 

[Liquidrob]

I can't believe how naive you guys are, and lol @ Warner playing the troll card

Actually, anyone with a zuffa press pass isnt a credible reporter, how could you be when everytime you write a story you have to think about getting your access shut off? You can't, and thats the way zuffa has structured it, unless you just are reporting about what happened at the event, results and stuff like that you will be baised about zuffa, your 'opinion pieces' are slanted, those are facts

Even the announcers are not credible, they are zuffa employees, Showtimes dont work for Strikeforce/zuffa now, HBO's guys are HBO employees, not gloden boy or whoever the promoter is, just like a CBS, FOX, etc... broadcast of the NFL, they can have real opinions about the NFL without fear of being dropped

Amazing you guys can not see this

 

[EmpireWF]

No example?

:rofl:

 

[Liquidrob]

No example?

:rofl:

yeah, any M-1 is crazy, Showtime is bad piece by this hack, I don't need to go back and find his crap, I have read it in the past and you're the one reading it now, isnt it funny that all his 'info' on the Overeem stuff is slanted towards zuffa being good and Overeem or Showtime screwing up?

 

[EmpireWF]

I don't read anything that's about zuffa "being good."

And anyway, zuffa released him for either being hurt, signing a fight he is allowed to take or only having 1 fight left on his current contact, either way, none of those are valid reasons to cut him

Zuffa is wrong on all accounts, but I'm sure no one will say it

It seems they cut him in part b/c he has 1 fight left and his management wants to be paid directly (they pay fighters). If they didn't alter their policy for Fedor, why are they about to do so for Overeem?

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

We've been having the same discussion on the Meltzer board, and dave just chimed in:

The only problem was Fedor lost, and shit happens, they booked Barnett, which I said from the start would bite them in the ass, and Zuffa bought them in the middle of the tournament and wasn't going to put up with Overeem and his camp trying to change the date when Showtime gave them the date and there was no other date.

There are five Saturday nights in October. Two are UFC PPVs, and one is a UFC show on Versus. UFC didn't want to run against itself. Showtime also has a boxing show already on the schedule, and other shows already programmed for Saturday night all month. There is also the World Series, and the people at Showtime who spend significant rights fees for a tournament show, did not feel it would be wise spending that kind of money on a night when the casual fans will watch baseball and they will have less chance to draw sports fans because they won't get a lick of sports coverage with the World Series that night.

Thus they came up with Sept. 10 as the date. If Showtime would have wanted a show on Oct. 15, they could have moved, but they didn't want this thing going into November and Showtime insisted on Sept. 10. Zuffa doesn't have the power to make Showtime's schedule. Overeem wasn't enough of a draw that Showtime would change its TV schedule over him, and apparently Overeem and Golden Glory overplayed their hand because they are used to Japan which is a totally different culture.

Well, the bold is exactly how I read this situation and is what i've been trying to tell you. Showtime doesn't give a single fuck about Overeem, and were not going to budge. Zuffa tried. If you want to rip them for not wanting to go until November, go right ahead.

And just like I said earlier, Overeem played chicken with this United Glory fight, and as we all know, you don't play chicken with Zuffa and win.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

It's time to move on. The best thing that can happen now, is Overeem hooks up with somebody and helps them grow. Werdum really hurt him, Overeem really had a chance to break out but Werdum killed it, but I still think Overeem can become a draw if handled properly. He needs a few high profile highlight KO's. Whoever signs him should get him in the cage with Paul Buentello/Arlovski/Sylvia types who have a name and will stand with him and catch a KO.

What i'm thinking is after Fedor gets cut loose, maybe M1 can put together Fedor/Overeem. They have the TV outlet with Showtime.

 

[Liquidrob]

Again, it's meltzer opinion which isn't credible (showtime thoughts and what GG did} and his 'facts' are more than likely from zuffa

Also, showtime is at fault because zuffa has 3 of the weeks tired up, lovely

Anyway, they cut him for no legit reason and no one is questioning it

 

[EmpireWF]

Open your eyes and read.

One of the reasons they cut him is because with 1 fight left, they want to negotiate a new contract. His management is doing similar things as to what M1 did. So, where's the disconnect?

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

Again, it's meltzer opinion which isn't credible (showtime thoughts and what GG did} and his 'facts' are more than likely from zuffa

Also, showtime is at fault because zuffa has 3 of the weeks tired up, lovely

Anyway, they cut him for no legit reason and no one is questioning it

The reason they cut him are pretty clear, the guy called them out publically, then took an outside booking instead of an in house booking. He had one fight left and passed on taking it twice. They had enough.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

--Another thing to look out for involves Sergei Kharitonov. Khartinov is being advertised for an October show in Moscow, Russia. He's also in the semifinals of the Strikeforce Grand Prix on 9/10 in Cincinnati, facing Josh Barnett. Now, if Barnett wins that fight, it's a moot point. But if Kharitonov wins, and doesn't cancel the Moscow show, there is going to be trouble. Neither Zuffa nor Showtime would want to start promoting Kharitonov in the finals given the chance he could get injured in an October fight and have to pull out.

 

[Liquidrob]

Overeems contract allows him to do that, so they are cutting him for doing something he is allowed to do? If he wasn't they could stop the fight, obviously they can't, so they cut him, yay zuffa?!?

lol @ outside booking compared to in house, he has contacts with multiple people, he is just doing what is agreed to

Just like sergei and josh doing PW in japan which he just did

 

[EmpireWF]

Overeems contract allows him to do that, so they are cutting him for doing something he is allowed to? If he wasn't they could stop the fight, obviously they can't, so they cut him, yeah zuffa?!?

Don't forget Golden Glory wants the money, then they pay Overeem. Just like M1 and Fedor. Zuffa does not do that.

Which is why win or lose, this is likely Fedor's last fight under Zuffa.