Randy Moss retires.

[StealthShot]

HOFer? Has to be no?

He was the best WR when he played almost every year, and the stats don't lie he's a lock.

 

[PP]

I still don't think we have seen the last of Brady2Moss.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

I wouldn't put Boomer in the same boat as Randy. Randy's problems stemmed from motivation, or lack there of. Boomer had some inconsistencies and was shipped around due to a knee injury he suffered halfway through is career. He still made the pro-bowl six times after the injury, and made the pro-bowl on each team he went to, proving others gave up on him too early in his career. Without the knee injury, maybe the best ever...who knows. With that knee injury though, he was still a HOFer, amazing. Enigma solved...injury held him back.

With Deacon...I just flat out disagree with you. He missed 5 games out of 196 over 14 years. I think this points to Jones in the least attempting to squeeze out and leave every ounce of his talent onto the field. IMO his talent was fully fulfilled. The enigma might be his attitude and demeanor maybe, but he wasn't an enigma because of an unfulfilled talent, that's for damn sure.

I think a guy like "Bullet" Bob Hayes is a better example, and much closer to Moss in comparison to such a high level of unfulfilled talent. Hayes was world class athlete, and a Gold medal winner in the olympics. He might have been a better WR if he were able to lay off the "recreational" activities... *cough...cocaine...cough* I think Bob was also unmotivated over the long haul, but he definitely helped change the game and was a contributor to the way defenses cover WR's today.

All that said, you and Larry are correct. He was such a great talent that was definitely unfulfilled, and yes he was an enigma.

Incessant rambling.

In the bold, I don't even think you know who you are talking about.

F-

 

[Senser81]

Incessant rambling.

In the bold, I don't even think you know who you are talking about.

F-

VSN 2011 Midterm Grades

ShaynDaPain = B+
Very difficult to grade. His NFL forum work is atrocious, but his Locker Room material is gold. Whether he’s buying from a slum lord, banging his realtor, or calling W2B a racist, its always entertaining.

 

[NAHSTE]

One of the best footballers of my generation. Seeing him retire makes me feel old, he was a force of nature at Marshall, and his Vikings years and that one year with the Patriots is stuff of legend. Great player and he also inspired one of the most iconic rap lines of the 2000s. I'm sad to see him hang it up.

 

[Shayn•Da•Pain]

I wasn't speaking about "Deacon Jones", I was speaking about Ed "Too Tall" Jones of the Cowboys.

My bad, don't know why my mind jumped strait to Deacon. Maybe because you were talking about HOF'ers and my mind just jumped strait to Deacon Jones.

:tiptoe:

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

One of the best footballers of my generation. Seeing him retire makes me feel old, he was a force of nature at Marshall, and his Vikings years and that one year with the Patriots is stuff of legend. Great player and he also inspired one of the most iconic rap lines of the 2000s. I'm sad to see him hang it up.

get used to this

 

[NAHSTE]

get used to this

Griffey was the first one to really make me feel that way. Now it's Moss. Once guys like Derek Jeter, Tim Duncan and Peyton Manning start hanging it up, I might as well join the AARP.

 

[Shayn•Da•Pain]

I would disagree. The NFL is filled with coaches who sign world class sprinters, but none of them ever pan out. Hayes is one of the only ones that did. I would say Hayes overachieved.

Maybe. The point is Hayes was a world class athlete, the likes of which the NFL had never seen before in a player with at least some receiving talent. I think he was consistent enough to say he was more than an overachiever. With more concentration and less cocaine/drug abuse he most likely would have maintained a longer career. I'll just agree to disagree then, as I remember our last argument of "Bullet" Bob Hayes, you don't like him very much. I remember you saying he'll never make the HOF...low and behold, one year after that conversation...Bob's in. :noidea:

 

[j.hen]

So I think I'm just going to pretend he's still a FA looking for a team...

 

[Shayn•Da•Pain]

So I think I'm just going to pretend he's still a FA looking for a team...

Let's just say I'm not taking him off my fantasy draft board in round 14+.

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

Has there ever been an athlete in ANY SPORT whose GOAT status was supremely talented, but didn't work hard?

It seems, in all sports, we see a sh!t load of these ridiculously talented guys, and some end up great, but they have a ceiling because they were never as good as "less talented" guys that just have the work ethic that is seemingly mythical.

 

[nflman2033]

you guys feel old because Moss is retired, hell I look at Jim Harbaugh being a Head Coach, I remember when he was the QB for Michigan.

 

[Shayn•Da•Pain]

you guys feel old because Moss is retired, hell I look at Jim Harbaugh being a Head Coach, I remember when he was the QB for Michigan.

Dayum.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

Has there ever been an athlete in ANY SPORT whose GOAT status was supremely talented, but didn't work hard?

It seems, in all sports, we see a sh!t load of these ridiculously talented guys, and some end up great, but they have a ceiling because they were never as good as "less talented" guys that just have the work ethic that is seemingly mythical.

 

[Senser81]

Maybe. The point is Hayes was a world class athlete, the likes of which the NFL had never seen before in a player with at least some receiving talent. I think he was consistent enough to say he was more than an overachiever. With more concentration and less cocaine/drug abuse he most likely would have maintained a longer career. I'll just agree to disagree then, as I remember our last argument of "Bullet" Bob Hayes, you don't like him very much. I remember you saying he'll never make the HOF...low and behold, one year after that conversation...Bob's in. :noidea:

I'm actually the one defending Bob Hayes here. He was a sprinter from a small black college (Florida A&M, IIRC) who did well in the NFL. He was a speed guy, and he did fine until he turned 30. This happens a lot with speed guys. I've read that his drug abuse didn't start until after the Cowboys released him, and his career was pretty much over already at that point.

The HOF has allowed some EXTREMELY questionable players in the last few years, like Floyd Little and Dick LeBeau.

 

[Senser81]

Has there ever been an athlete in ANY SPORT whose GOAT status was supremely talented, but didn't work hard?

 

[ralaw]

I don't think we've seen the last of him, but I'll play along and say what others have said....supremely talented, has the career statistics, but surely apathetic with a questionable work ethic. I'd like to think a guy like Moss wouldn't have the stats and accolades by pure ability, so he had to of had some sort of work ethic.

Moss is the only athlete I've ever seen that seemed to be above people criticizing him for his work ethic. We all know he's quit on plays, on his teammates and not always give full effort, yet people still believe in him....its strange, because typically fans hate guys like this.

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

Valid points, kind sir.

I shall move on to another question.

 

[Shayn•Da•Pain]

The HOF has allowed some EXTREMELY questionable players in the last few years, like Floyd Little and Dick LeBeau.

Whoa, you shut your whore mouth right now!:screams: