Randy Moss retires.

[Realist]

I refuse to imagine.
Immense talent (Barry, Jeff George ,Moss) usually leads to questionable desire.
Its those guys with 1 or 2 elite physical traits that happens to have hof drive(Rice, Brady ,Emmitt) that usually make the difference and end up as winners and record holders.

Its extremely rare to see freakish physical gifts meet world class desire....let alone have that avoid injury. Psychology and numbers make it rare.

One perfect example of it happening is going to the hof this year.

Where would Deion Sanders fall into this discussion? I know he's a defensive (mainly) player but just curious on others opinions.

Also, I agree with others Barry > Emmitt

 

[Aso]

Moss started '05 off hot but then I believe he had some sort of injury and Norv Turner turned Moss into just a deep threat while Porter started hauling in more passes.

 

[Diivox]

Randy Moss - CFL / UFL if it ever plays, or, see T.O. I really think he's done in the NFL though.

Called it in the free agent guessing game thread!


................. of course I only got one other one right, hasselbeck, and the verdict is still out on TO... but last season was pathetic for Randy and I just didn't see him bouncing back from it.

 

[Prodigal Son]

Listening to Mike and Mike this morning (unfortunately), and they both emphatically said they would take Terrell Owens over Randy Moss. HUH? Its amazing to me how recent events skew historical perspective. They said Moss was a problem in the locker room...but Owens wasn't? They said Moss didn't block on running plays...but Owens did? Owens had a body like Art Monk on steroids, but he didn't have the desire to block.

The part that annoyed me was when they said Owens would catch passes over the middle and Moss wouldn't. From what I remember of Owens, he would drop passes if a defender was closing on him. He wasn't really an "over the middle" guy, either.

To me, its no contest. Moss was faster and had much better hands than Owens.

You sure you listened, and not just zoned out?

They said that Owens was an issue with the locker room, but that Moss had issues off the field, bringing up the time he ran over a meter maid. They then brought up Owens work rate compared to Moss. TO would play his ass off in games, where Moss would only play if his name was called in the huddle.

They proceeded to mention that both were unwilling to go over the middle, but TO would on occasion do it. Also that TO had more of an issue with catching the ball. Ending that neither was really that big of a blocker, but TO would be more willing to block then Moss was.

 

[Saluki]

I've said it before and i'll say it again. I'll take Moss as a slouch anyday. Season before last when they were talking every week about how he wasn't playing hard, and how he wasn't running his routes ect, he had 13 TDs. If you can slouch for 13TDs i'll take it.

 

[Prodigal Son]

Randy Moss as a slouch with Tom Brady, yes. Randy Moss as a slouch with, Aaron Brooks, Andrew Walters, and Marquis Tuiasosopo, no.

 

[KINGOFOOTBALL]

Kind of a ridiculous statement concerning Sanders. The guy played for 10 years and averaged 300+ carries a season. He is still 6th all-time in rushing attempts. I don't really think thats quitting in mid-career.

Its funny how you've turned Sanders' strengths into weaknesses. Sanders wasn't flashy. He rarely spoke to the media. He just did his job and was very consistent. When he retired, there was no fanfare. Compare that to Emmitt Smith, who would routinely get unsportsmanlike conduct penalties for taking his helmet off after scoring a TD, and who hung around 3 years too long just to break Payton's record.

I still consider Sanders to be better than Smith, despite not having the all-time rushing record. If having the record changes your opinion in the Sanders/Smith debate, then basically what you are doing is rewarding Smith for staying on for those 3 extra seasons he needed to break Payton's record, and also saying that those 3 extra seasons made Smith "greater" than Sanders, which is a joke.

When did I say mid-career, flashy, or compared celebrations?

There is no debate one has accolades and hardware the other doesn't. Moss/Rice Payton/Dickerson Williams/Faulk George /Brady etc etc
Barry had every tool and oppurtunity to be the best ever. His lack of desire is the single reason why he doesnt. You seem to be logged into mm circa 2002 this is about athleticism and desire.

Bruce smith Jerry rice also hung on too long. Who gives a shit. Maximizing and surpassing your potential >>>> getting by on talent.


Fyi Emmitt Barry didn't come in the same year. At the exact same 10 yr marks of there career Emmitt was behind by 1400 yards and ahead by about 40 tds. Only a fool takes the 1400 yds over 40 extra scores.
At 100 years old he was a hair shy of 1000 yds and 10 tds sharing carries on the frigging cards. Desire and hanging on too long > going home and screwing your teammates.

 

[Senser81]

You sure you listened, and not just zoned out?

They said that Owens was an issue with the locker room, but that Moss had issues off the field, bringing up the time he ran over a meter maid. They then brought up Owens work rate compared to Moss. TO would play his ass off in games, where Moss would only play if his name was called in the huddle.

They proceeded to mention that both were unwilling to go over the middle, but TO would on occasion do it. Also that TO had more of an issue with catching the ball. Ending that neither was really that big of a blocker, but TO would be more willing to block then Moss was.

You sure you listened, and not just zoned out?

You basically just said what I said, only you presented it in the reverse fashion. The way I presented it was how it was presented on Mike and Mike. They would point out a fault of Moss' game, downgrade it, then at the end they would make a cursory mention of Owens having the same fault.

The issues Moss had off-the-field aren't even comparable to the disruption Owens would cause in the locker room. Moss was liked by his teammates, Owens was hated by his teammates. Mike and Mike did a terrible job presenting that.

Same thing with TO's alleged "work rate". He had the same lapses of effort and inconsistency that Moss had. They were very similar in that they tried more in big games. If Owens' work rate was that superior to Moss', then why was Owens such a piss-poor run blocker? Again, Mike and Mike did a terrible job presenting that.

Finally, the "over the middle" argument presented by Mike and Mike was laughable. Because it was presented in a way that said "disregard Moss' playmaking abilities, because he didn't go over the middle like TO did". That would be like saying Gorman Thomas was a better power hitter than Harmon Killebrew because Thomas stole more bases.

 

[Senser81]

Fyi Emmitt Barry didn't come in the same year. At the exact same 10 yr marks of there career Emmitt was behind by 1400 yards and ahead by about 40 tds. Only a fool takes the 1400 yds over 40 extra scores.
At 100 years old he was a hair shy of 1000 yds and 10 tds sharing carries on the frigging cards. Desire and hanging on too long > going home and screwing your teammates.

Sanders made the pro bowl every year of his career (10 times), and was 1st team All-Pro 6 times. His pro bowl percentage is 100% and his All-Pro percentage is 60%.

Emmitt Smith made the pro bowl 8 times in his 15-year career, and was 1st team All-Pro 4 times. His pro bowl percentage is 53% and his All-Pro percentage is 27%.

Sanders accomplished more in 2/3 the time.

Sanders' numbers after 10 years:

3062-15269-5.0-99 TDs and 99.8 yards per game

Smith's numbers after 10 years:

3243-13963-4.3-136 TDs and 90.1 yards per game

 

[Saluki]

Sanders made the pro bowl every year of his career (10 times), and was 1st team All-Pro 6 times. His pro bowl percentage is 100% and his All-Pro percentage is 60%.

Emmitt Smith made the pro bowl 8 times in his 15-year career, and was 1st team All-Pro 4 times. His pro bowl percentage is 53% and his All-Pro percentage is 27%.

Sanders accomplished more in 2/3 the time.

Sanders' numbers after 10 years:

3062-15269-5.0-99 TDs and 99.8 yards per game

Smith's numbers after 10 years:

3243-13963-4.3-136 TDs and 90.1 yards per game

To me it's pretty tough to compare the two. Emmit had ALOT of talent around him for a good number of his years in Dallas. Sanders carried that team on his back for 10 seasons with little to no help a majority of the time. You play the Cowboys you have a few hall of famers on offense you have to worry about stopping, you play the Lions you have to game plan for just 1 person.......who still managed to avg 5.0 ypc.

 

[Senser81]

To me it's pretty tough to compare the two. Emmit had ALOT of talent around him for a good number of his years in Dallas. Sanders carried that team on his back for 10 seasons with little to no help a majority of the time. You play the Cowboys you have a few hall of famers on offense you have to worry about stopping, you play the Lions you have to game plan for just 1 person.......who still managed to avg 5.0 ypc.

They are tough to compare. I guess my point is that its short-sighted to downgrade Sanders for "quitting" after 10 years of 300+ carry seasons, while at the same time ignoring Smith's selfish 'chase for the record'. Smith actually had a year where he averaged less than 3 yards per carry. Instead of comparing him to Barry, perhaps we should compare him to Eddie George.

 

[manchild24]

Randy Moss has filed his retirement papers with the league, according to the Boston Herald.

 

[Saluki]

Remeber playing eith your friends, and catching a jump ball over somebody. "Damn, you Mossed his ass."

 

[NAHSTE]

At work we were talking about how everyone in pick up football used to try to run deep and throw their hand up calling for the ball like Moss.

 

[Saluki]

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=mossed

1. mossed 219 up, 15 down
to make a terrific catch in football,usually jumping/leaping is involved, as if randy moss was the reciever
"Yo son, i just mossed you"
future tense: yo son, im gon moss you, check out dis catch ima bout to make"

2. mossed 99 up, 17 down
when someone jumps over someone else to catch a football.
damn that bitch just got mossed!

3. Mossed 30 up, 22 down
To excel at something which makes your opposition look inferior. Possibly makes them cry, too.

Originates from Patriots WR Randy Moss, who, even when triple covered, can Moss people, and come up with a score.
The pass was a little too high, but 81 Mossed him, big time. 22 cried a little on the inside, and admitted that he had, indeed, been mossed.
o

4. mossed 6 thumbs up
when someone catches an object over another person usually when they both attempt to catch it
Shut up yall both tried to catch it u got mossed.

 

[manchild24]

The Eagles made a contract offer to Randy Moss after the receiver filed his official retirement papers with the league, according to the Boston Herald.
The Eagles just won't stop. Moss' filing of his retirement papers isn't significant as he can unretire any time he wants. If he is truly intrigued by the Eagles' offer, there's a good chance it will still happen. And based on the way veterans are flocking to Philly to play with Mike Vick, we would no longer be surprised.

 

[Aso]

The Lions did have some talent on some of those teams, especially in '95.

 

[Saluki]

The Lions did have some talent on some of those teams, especially in '95.

Nothing even REMOTELY close to the talent the Cowboys had tho. There was a good chance 2 hall of fame players were gunna touch the ball every play.

 

[KINGOFOOTBALL]

Nothing even REMOTELY close to the talent the Cowboys had tho. There was a good chance 2 hall of fame players were gunna touch the ball every play.

Who cares. Faulk blossomed and peaked with all world guys everywhere. AD has way more talent than Chris Johnson. It only matters when you have a star on your helmet.

 

[Saluki]

Who cares. Faulk blossomed and peaked with all world guys everywhere. AD has way more talent than Chris Johnson. It only matters when you have a star on your helmet.

What does anything you said have to do with this? Nobodies saying that Smith or Faluk weren't top 5 all time RBs because their teams were better. But you couldn't stack the box like vs the Rams or those Cowboys like you could vs Sanders Lions, or the Johnson Titans or AD's Vikings (lol more talent, that offense looked as sad as Tennessee's last year, Tennessee actually finished AHEAD of the Viqueens in passing)