Raptors Trade Kapono For Evans

[Kuzzy Powers]

Oakley was a starter. He played like 30 mins a game. WTF is Evans gonna do from the bench? If he's playing more than 18 mins a night then our team's got problems.

Plus, how tough are you if you are grabbing guys' nuts? Much more excited about his rebounding especially on the offensive glass where we were awful.

Evans should avg more than 18 mins a game, especially if our big man sito doesnt change. Oakley wasnt a star, he was a starter. Evans has started a shit ton in his career, too, but yeah. Regardless of that.. whether your tough guy comes from the bench or is a starter is pretty irrelevant lol.

So what if he grabbed some nuts? If you're questioning Evans toughness you dont know anything about him bro.

 

[Kuzzy Powers]

I'm not questioning his toughness. I'm just saying it's not going to help that much when he doesn't play that much and the rest of our starters are cupcakes. In order to create a tough team you need your best players to be tough.

How is it irrelevant where toughness comes from? I want the guys playing the most to be tough. Or else I'd just sign Kimbo Slice and put him at the end of the bench.

Well then you're going to say, just play Evans more than 15 mins a night. Well in that case we're fucked.

Why? The guy plays good defense, he rebounds well.. his only issue is he sometimes falls alseep on offense, but ive seen be pretty serviceable under the rim so he doesnt end up being a total liability.

Ive always felt Evans has gotten the raw deal because of his attitude. But his teammates always love him and hes a scrappy dude. Im saying it doesnt matter where you get the toughness from aslong as that player is getting PT, whether its off the bench or not is irrelevant.

If we dont sign another big man, Evans should without a doubt get more than 15 mins a night. The only thing id really want Evans to do more of is block the ball, but hes never done that well. But those per-48 rebound numbers dont lie, and you've already admitted you're not questioning his toughness. So he'd be providing exactly what we desperately lack on our team.

That being said, I wouldnt be surprised if Evans ends up just getting fringe PT again, especially if Pops develops or we sign another big man. But I dont think Colagenlo was willing to trade JK, who is atleast a valuable shooter, for someone he doesnt plan to use at all.

 

[Kuzzy Powers]

Evans will be the one player on the Raptors who might actually have testosterone in his system.

He'll be good defensively when he plays. He's a pest on defense, and is one of those guys I would watch play defense, and it would just piss me right the fuck off for all the ridiculous shit he would do.

Exactly.. Evans immediately becomes the toughest and most hard assed player in the team BY FAR.

And thats what im saying.. he makes you work hard on offense and clogs up the glass when his teams on offense. The dude is a scrappy hard worker who just has some attitude issues that have held him back. That and his ability to go streches without making a basket, lol.. but im not worried about offense, we didnt get him for that.

Unfortunately it now sounds like im overrating Evans because ive had to defend him in 5 posts.

 

[Obst]

I live in Philly, got to watch the Sixers every night, follow them very closely. Kuzzy, he is a tough guy, but your acting like this guy is a lunatic and punches people in the face before they can put up big numbers? Yeah he scraps for rebounds, and boxes guys out, but he is not some crazy nutcase that is going to throw bows and get kicked out of games. He did a good job against Howard when he got an opportunity in the playoffs, but he never came on the court and punched Howard or pushed him to the floor when Dwight elbowed Sammy in the face. He just isn't that type of guy. He is a warrior on the court and will get boards, but your making him to seem like a UFC Fighter with that Kobe comment. He never got a flagrant foul in his career or been ejected. He scraps but he isn't an enforcer of some sorts.
On the other hand, I like the addition of Kapono. He is going to be a good bench player, but don't expect Jason or Willie Green to start. The roster next year is going to look something like Miller/Iggy/Thad/Brand/Sammy. He will be a good guy to come off the bench and get the 3 pointer, something we relied on Donyell Marshall to do last year. It's not a roster shaking move, but it will be something that people will be happy about, cause losing Evans isn't a big deal when we have Speights as a guy coming off the bench who can do a great job rebounding and be that big man role. If we resign Miller I hope that we can grab a big man in the offseason through free agency or the draft.

 

[mfbmike]

Sure, the NBA Finals aren't even halfway over (or are they? Orlando can win at least one game, right?), but the rest of the league is officially looking toward the future. The Raptors and 76ers have completed the first trade of the summer, sending sharpshooter Jason Kapono south to Philadelphia in exchange for bruising forward Reggie Evans.

Raptors prez and GM Bryan Colangelo announced the move this afternoon. From Doug Smith of the Toronto Star: "We're changing the dynamic of our club with this move," Colangelo said. "This obviously addresses a few areas of need. ... [The Sixers] probably had too many bigs and we probably had too many finesse players."

It's worth noting the move will help Toronto save a few bucks (Kapono has two years and $12.6 million left on his contract; Evans, two years and $9.6 million), but like Colanglo says, this deal helps both teams balance their roster.

Evans averaged 4.6 rebounds in just 14.4 minutes a game last year -- his average per 36 was 11.4, which would have ranked second on the Raptors last year behind last-season acquisition Pops Mensah-Bonsu (14.1 per 36 in 19 games). Andrea Bargnani and Chris Bosh are extremely talented but undeniably finesse players. Evans, on the other hand, is the very definition of a gritty banger, outworking and out-muscling opposing big men in the paint despite frequently giving up several inches.

As for the 76ers, they've been desperate to add a legitimate three-point threat for sometime now -- they finished the 2008-09 season ranked dead last in the NBA by shooting 31.8% from beyond the arc as a team. Kapono, meanwhile, has shot 45.4% for his career. Both teams should improve from this trade.

http://nba.fanhouse.com/2009/06/09/raptors-76ers-swap-kapono-and-evans/

 

[Kuzzy Powers]

Lol @ you trying to flip it like im calling him a mixed martial artist.

He is a tough guy.. he would've put Kobe on his ass if he was going off like that. That doesnt mean hes going to go out and punch him fool.. it means hes going to foul him hard and put him on his fucking ass when he comes into the paint. What dont you understand about that?

Im still laughing at you going on a rant like I said this guy is starting fights like Ron Artest. And where I called him a lunatic? Hahaha. Wow.

 

[Kuzzy Powers]

Sure, the NBA Finals aren't even halfway over (or are they? Orlando can win at least one game, right?), but the rest of the league is officially looking toward the future. The Raptors and 76ers have completed the first trade of the summer, sending sharpshooter Jason Kapono south to Philadelphia in exchange for bruising forward Reggie Evans.

Raptors prez and GM Bryan Colangelo announced the move this afternoon. From Doug Smith of the Toronto Star: "We're changing the dynamic of our club with this move," Colangelo said. "This obviously addresses a few areas of need. ... [The Sixers] probably had too many bigs and we probably had too many finesse players."

It's worth noting the move will help Toronto save a few bucks (Kapono has two years and $12.6 million left on his contract; Evans, two years and $9.6 million), but like Colanglo says, this deal helps both teams balance their roster.

Evans averaged 4.6 rebounds in just 14.4 minutes a game last year -- his average per 36 was 11.4, which would have ranked second on the Raptors last year behind last-season acquisition Pops Mensah-Bonsu (14.1 per 36 in 19 games). Andrea Bargnani and Chris Bosh are extremely talented but undeniably finesse players. Evans, on the other hand, is the very definition of a gritty banger, outworking and out-muscling opposing big men in the paint despite frequently giving up several inches.

As for the 76ers, they've been desperate to add a legitimate three-point threat for sometime now -- they finished the 2008-09 season ranked dead last in the NBA by shooting 31.8% from beyond the arc as a team. Kapono, meanwhile, has shot 45.4% for his career. Both teams should improve from this trade.

http://nba.fanhouse.com/2009/06/09/raptors-76ers-swap-kapono-and-evans/

Id thank you for posting this write up, but apparently I got thanks happy today.

 

[Obst]

Kobe Bryant would've never gone for 82 with a guy like Reggie Evans around. Hes going out there and getting a flagrant 2 ejection before he allows that to happen.

The guy has never got ejected from a game or gotten a flagrant foul in his career. Here you are saying that if Kobe was scoring points that Reggie would put him on his ass or do something like that to get him thrown from the game. He has never done that in his career. Yeah he sets some hard screens, which lead to him being a guy who racks up a shit load of pointless fouls and losing possession, but no he doesn't get flagrant fouls or get ejected. So yes, if Reggie was on the court that night Kobe still would of went off, cause Evans doesn't block shots, doesn't have speed, all he does is get boards, and Kobe wasn't missing that night, so Reggie being on the court for 8 minutes wouldn't of changed that.

 

[Kuzzy Powers]

The guy has never got ejected from a game or gotten a flagrant foul in his career. Here you are saying that if Kobe was scoring points that Reggie would put him on his ass or do something like that to get him thrown from the game. He has never done that in his career. Yeah he sets some hard screens, which lead to him being a guy who racks up a shit load of pointless fouls and losing possession, but no he doesn't get flagrant fouls or get ejected. So yes, if Reggie was on the court that night Kobe still would of went off, cause Evans doesn't block shots, doesn't have speed, all he does is get boards, and Kobe wasn't missing that night, so Reggie being on the court for 8 minutes wouldn't of changed that.

Are you dense? He not only has gotten flagrant fouls in his career, he has a famous flagrant foul that we have already discussed in this thread. Infact, that shit was a fucking flagrant 2 and an ejection, which you're also claiming hes never had btw..

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxEgKsyFCIw[/media]

YEAH definitely not the kind of guy id expect to put a player going off on his ass at all. /sarcasm

Good lord, please dont ever discuss basketball with me again.

 

[Obst]

That was in the playoffs, in the regular season he has never had an ejection or flagrant foul. Don't believe me? http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/stats?playerId=1828 There you go. Plus Kaman fucked Evans up there, if that's what you want, then ok. Wanna base his "tough guy" attitude off his famous play in the playoffs, go ahead.

 

[mfbmike]

Kuzzy is obviously happy his team of euro's and spaniards got a little tougher with this trade. lol, cut him some slack.

If I was a philly native, I'd be stoked as shit too considering the lack of outside threat they previously had.

And the Raptors also save 1-2 mill to try and bring Bosh back, if it gets to that point where they have to match an offer.

 

[Kuzzy Powers]

That was in the playoffs, in the regular season he has never had an ejection or flagrant foul. Don't believe me? http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/stats?playerId=1828 There you go. Plus Kaman fucked Evans up there, if that's what you want, then ok.

Whats the difference if it was in the playoffs or not? You hurt that you went searching for a stat but failed to recognize something that this entire thread knew happened?

Give it up fool. You were wrong about this before you even opened the thread.

 

[Kuzzy Powers]

You're dumb as bricks, and completely missed his point.

He's saying Evans is scrappy defensively, and would never let Kobe go off on him.

But for the record, Evans wouldn't be guarding Kobe anyways.

Evans is just a guy that comes in and plays with A LOT of energy, and can change the pace of a game for your team.

Nah I meant that he is the worlds best duel NBA/MMA performer. Evans would've put Kobe Bryant in a guillotine choke if he was in that game.

 

[Obst]

No, your right, Reggie got ONE flagrant foul in his career, and that is why he is going to do that all year in Toronto and not let any opposing star put up big numbers. All hail Reggie Evans. Please revisit this thread at the end of the season and tell me how many games Reggie effected with his flagrant fouls and ejections that sparked the Raptors to a win.

 

[Kuzzy Powers]

No, your right, Reggie got ONE flagrant foul in his career, and that is why he is going to do that all year in Toronto and not let any opposing star put up big numbers. All hail Reggie Evans. Please revisit this thread at the end of the season and tell me how many games Reggie effected with his flagrant fouls and ejections that sparked the Raptors to a win.

LMAO @ you thinking I want the guy to get flagrant fouls. The point not only went over your head, it did circles around you and then punched you in the face, and you still dont get it.

Complete fail on your part.

 

[Obst]

Yeah fail on me, your calling him out on his toughness and pointing on the Kaman play. Yeah I get the point that the guy is an amazing rebounder, but when your saying that he would be the guy to shut Kobe down, because he would be willing to take Kobe out just doesn't make sense.

 

[FirstTimer]

No, your right, Reggie got ONE flagrant foul in his career, and that is why he is going to do that all year in Toronto and not let any opposing star put up big numbers. All hail Reggie Evans. Please revisit this thread at the end of the season and tell me how many games Reggie effected with his flagrant fouls and ejections that sparked the Raptors to a win.

Reggie Evans=Marty McSorley

 

[Kuzzy Powers]

Yeah fail on me, your calling him out on his toughness and pointing on the Kaman play. Yeah I get the point that the guy is an amazing rebounder, but when your saying that he would be the guy to shut Kobe down, because he would be willing to take Kobe out just doesn't make sense.

I said HE'D PUT KOBE ON HIS ASS. He would foul him hard under the rim and try to make it tougher for him to score. Obviously hes not even guarding Kobe, how is he going to shut him down? Good lord.

I pointed out the Kaman play because you said he has NO FLAGRANT FOULS OR EJECTIONS.

This may be the dumbest argument in this forums history, from the moment you opened this thread its been fail.

Furthermore.. how often does a guy go for 82 points? The chances of us finding out if Evans would be able to change whether or not Kobe goes for 82 pts is slim. But when im thinking of guys in the NBA that id want to take a hard foul, a flagrant if needed, on a star.. id put Reggie Evans right up there.

 

[Obst]

Ok I failed.
Have fun boasting about Evans this year while he sets illegal screens, has no offensive game, plays below average defense, but atleast he will shut all the stars in the NBA down by putting them on their ass, like he did here in Philly....you got a good rebounder and a guy who is going to put all his effort on the court, but go ahead and keep posting "YOU FAIL" as your the one who thinks he gets flagrant fouls and ejections when stars go off against the team he is on. When the only proof you have of him getting ejected was when he grabbed a dudes nuts and then got thrown on the floor, which Evans did nothing about. And I'm pretty sure Kaman wasn't going off on the Nuggets, Evans just wanted to box him out, couldn't do it and did something illegal to try to get the board. Where was he when Dwight Howard punched Sammy D in the face this year in the playoffs? He didn't come on the court and try to put Howard on his ass. But like I said, have fun, be happy, enjoy the fact the Evans is on your roster, and continue to tell me I'm an idiot. It's ok.

 

[Kuzzy Powers]

Ok I failed.
Have fun boasting about Evans this year while he sets illegal screens, has no offensive game, plays below average defense, but atleast he will shut all the stars in the NBA down by putting them on their ass, like he did here in Philly....you got a good rebounder and a guy who is going to put all his effort on the court, but go ahead and keep posting "YOU FAIL" as your the one who thinks he gets flagrant fouls and ejections when stars go off against the team he is on. When the only proof you have of him getting ejected was when he grabbed a dudes nuts and then got thrown on the floor, which Evans did nothing about. And I'm pretty sure Kaman wasn't going off on the Nuggets, Evans just wanted to box him out, couldn't do it and did something illegal to try to get the board. But like I said, have fun, be happy, enjoy the fact the Evans is on your roster, and continue to tell me I'm an idiot. It's ok.

I am enjoying the fact that Evans is now on our roster, and also enjoying trying to make you realize how far this point has gone over your head.

You're proving my point every time you mention the Kaman incident. Evans is willing to be a dirty player and he proved it. Thats one of the dirtiest plays in NBA history. Is that even arguable?

If you would've read you would've seen where I said Evans is useless on offense. You also would've read where I said "it now sounds like im overrating Evans bcus im defending him", which would imply im not attemtping to overrate the guy, despite your greatest efforts of trying to make it sound like im overhyping Evans, I was just making a point, which, again.. went far, far over your head.