Raptors Trade Kapono For Evans

[mfbmike]

The money we saved will be used on a FA or in a trade. We can offer more money than any other team for Bosh already because of league rules. And we don't have to match any offer since he's becoming a UFA not RFA.

true, forgot about that.

 

[The Messenger]

I love these debates where someone senses they're losing and it's all "YOU FAIL!!! YOU FAILL!!!!11". The best way to realize you're winning an argument is when the other person starts hailing insults.

You, Kuzzy, tried to make the point that Reggie Evans was an enforcer, but Evans is far from that. He's tough on the boards, and that's all he is. He will not come in and put someone on their ass. He never has, and he never will. He's there to grab rebounds because he's got more determination when the ball is in the air than mostly everyone else in the NBA.

Does that make him an enforcer? No. Does that make him someone you'd put in the game to "put Kobe on his ass?" No. That makes him the guy you put in the game for 15 minutes to try and get you as many extra possessions as possible. Does that make him a lesser player? No. He does his job and he's damn good at it. However, Evans is nothing like what you think he is.

Will he improve the Raptors? He quite possibly could. The Raptors need better guys on the glass and Evans is a guy who can do that. On the other hand, Evans could be taking time from Pops who is also a good rebounder who can do the same kind of things as Evans just as good if not better than Evans.

 

[A Tasty Burgerr]

not to take away from your solid post but I believe Pops is a unrestricted free agent

 

[Kuzzy Powers]

I love these debates where someone senses they're losing and it's all "YOU FAIL!!! YOU FAILL!!!!11". The best way to realize you're winning an argument is when the other person starts hailing insults.

You, Kuzzy, tried to make the point that Reggie Evans was an enforcer, but Evans is far from that. He's tough on the boards, and that's all he is. He will not come in and put someone on their ass. He never has, and he never will. He's there to grab rebounds because he's got more determination when the ball is in the air than mostly everyone else in the NBA.

Does that make him an enforcer? No. Does that make him someone you'd put in the game to "put Kobe on his ass?" No. That makes him the guy you put in the game for 15 minutes to try and get you as many extra possessions as possible. Does that make him a lesser player? No. He does his job and he's damn good at it. However, Evans is nothing like what you think he is.

Will he improve the Raptors? He quite possibly could. The Raptors need better guys on the glass and Evans is a guy who can do that. On the other hand, Evans could be taking time from Pops who is also a good rebounder who can do the same kind of things as Evans just as good if not better than Evans.

Name me 10 NBA players you'd rather have as an enforcer on your team than Reggie Evans?

I say he failed because he did. Next time you try to come to the rescue for someone atleast do it for a worth while cause. When you say you've never had a flagrant or an ejection in your career and its obvious to everyone that he has, a very famous one, thats a big time fail.

Evans is a tough guy and isnt afraid to bang down low. He brings toughness to the team. This is what ive been saying all thread. If you dont realize that he brings toughness to the team then you dont know Reggie Evans. Sorry.

 

[Obst]

Name me 10 NBA players you'd rather have as an enforcer on your team than Reggie Evans?

I say he failed because he did. Next time you try to come to the rescue for someone atleast do it for a worth while cause. When you say you've never had a flagrant or an ejection in your career and its obvious to everyone that he has, a very famous one, thats a big time fail.

Evans is a tough guy and isnt afraid to bang down low. He brings toughness to the team. This is what ive been saying all thread. If you dont realize that he brings toughness to the team then you dont know Reggie Evans. Sorry.

Yeah you know Reggie Evans, you pick one play off youtube to define his toughness, but thats the only play that has ever shown him getting a flagrant foul. But be my guest and respond with you fail.

 

[Kuzzy Powers]

Yeah you know Reggie Evans, you pick one play off youtube to define his toughness, but thats the only play that has ever shown him getting a flagrant foul. But be my guest and respond with you fail.

You're acting as if having to get flagrant fouls defines you as a tough player. Thats pretty retarded in itself.

 

[Archer]

Kuzzy loves to argue

lol

 

[Kuzzy Powers]

Kuzzy loves to argue

lol

Only when I know im right.

Or atleast die trying to be..

 

[Deviant]

We have threads about the Cavs interest in Rasheed Wallace, Gortat and his beef with Reebok, and Tim Donaghy getting his ass beat in jail...

...and it's the thread about Jason Kapono being traded for Reggie Evans that makes it to 5 pages?

 

[The Messenger]

Kuzzy loves to argue

lol

So do I. I had the famous 10,000 page argument with Nuk about Brees>Warner.

As far as 10 other tough players I'd rather have on my team....

1. Kevin Garnett - Speaks for itself.
2. Shaquille O'Neal - Will put you on your ass, isn't scared to get in your face, and will fight you.
3. Ron Artest - Don't need to explain this one.
4. P.J. Brown - Okay he retired last year, but he's never been afraid to get in someone's face.
5. Kendrick Perkins - The angriest player in the NBA
6. James Posey - Will fight a pitbull for a hamburger
7. Dwight Howard - Known to throw them bows
8. Stephen Jackson
9. Rasheed Wallace - Will call your momma a baby back bitch and laugh in your face.
10. Chris Kaman - made the list because after your boy Reggie copped a feel, Kaman tossed Reggie to the deck like a rag doll which was ten times tougher than Reggie (who didn't even pop back up and fight) ever did in his career.

To be honest, the list was hard to make, but not because Reggie Evans is a very tough player. It's because, and we both know this, tough went the way of the dead when Charles Oakley retired. The new NBA isn't tough. The refs blow the whistle when you touch a players shorts now. There's no more Charles Oakley's, Xavier McDaniels', or Dennis Rodman's. The guys who should be enforcers and be tough guys, the guys with the build and the attitude, are soft like Anderson Varejao and Joakim Noah. The guys who you would expect to put you on your ass if you drive the lane now flop because that's what the game has become.

I can see your point. Reggie is tougher than anyone else on the Raptors and he seems to have more heart. However, overall in the NBA, Reggie is only as tough as a handful of players on every single team. He's not an enforcer, he's nowhere near it. I think OBST is looking at your argument and saying the same thing I am, you're blowing what he does way out of proportion. Take it from people who watch these guys every game.

You can't define a player for being tough for having one single "tough" play (if you are even gonna call grabbing someone's nuts tough) in their whole career. Watch the Sixers games, watch the Nuggets games, and watch the Sonics games. Reggie has never been the one to put someone on their ass. He's never been the one to rile up the troops. He's never been that guy. Is he tough? Well in today's NBA you can somewhat call him tough just because he's relentless on the boards, but he's not this big tough guy you are making him out to be.

And... I'm officially tired of saying the word "tough". From now on, we shall use the word "lolgasol".

 

[mfbmike]

We have threads about the Cavs interest in Rasheed Wallace, Gortat and his beef with Reebok, and Tim Donaghy getting his ass beat in jail...

...and it's the thread about Jason Kapono being traded for Reggie Evans that makes it to 5 pages?

Trade talks always draw debates. Especially considering this is really the first one of the offseason. People are excited to see where some of their guys end up this offseason. I know I am. :jamesdean:

 

[Kuzzy Powers]

So do I. I had the famous 10,000 page argument with Nuk about Brees>Warner.

As far as 10 other tough players I'd rather have on my team....

1. Kevin Garnett - Speaks for itself.
2. Shaquille O'Neal - Will put you on your ass, isn't scared to get in your face, and will fight you.
3. Ron Artest - Don't need to explain this one.
4. P.J. Brown - Okay he retired last year, but he's never been afraid to get in someone's face.
5. Kendrick Perkins - The angriest player in the NBA
6. James Posey - Will fight a pitbull for a hamburger
7. Dwight Howard - Known to throw them bows
8. Stephen Jackson
9. Rasheed Wallace - Will call your momma a baby back bitch and laugh in your face.
10. Chris Kaman - made the list because after your boy Reggie copped a feel, Kaman tossed Reggie to the deck like a rag doll which was ten times tougher than Reggie (who didn't even pop back up and fight) ever did in his career.

To be honest, the list was hard to make, but not because Reggie Evans is a very tough player. It's because, and we both know this, tough went the way of the dead when Charles Oakley retired. The new NBA isn't tough. The refs blow the whistle when you touch a players shorts now. There's no more Charles Oakley's, Xavier McDaniels', or Dennis Rodman's. The guys who should be enforcers and be tough guys, the guys with the build and the attitude, are soft like Anderson Varejao and Joakim Noah. The guys who you would expect to put you on your ass if you drive the lane now flop because that's what the game has become.

I can see your point. Reggie is tougher than anyone else on the Raptors and he seems to have more heart. However, overall in the NBA, Reggie is only as tough as a handful of players on every single team. He's not an enforcer, he's nowhere near it. I think OBST is looking at your argument and saying the same thing I am, you're blowing what he does way out of proportion. Take it from people who watch these guys every game.

You can't define a player for being tough for having one single "tough" play (if you are even gonna call grabbing someone's nuts tough) in their whole career. Watch the Sixers games, watch the Nuggets games, and watch the Sonics games. Reggie has never been the one to put someone on their ass. He's never been the one to rile up the troops. He's never been that guy. Is he tough? Well in today's NBA you can somewhat call him tough just because he's relentless on the boards, but he's not this big tough guy you are making him out to be.

And... I'm officially tired of saying the word "tough". From now on, we shall use the word "lolgasol".

So I asked you to name me 10 guys, one of them is retired, and one is a blonde haired German who cant even stay healthy, nevermind be considered tough. Evans is right up there those guys as an "enforcer".. really theres no enforcers in the NBA, but id put Evans up there with the top tough guys to have your squad. But maybe you dont realize that because Reggie gets a lack of attention from the NBA. Ive been watching this guy from Seattle, im wondering if anyone else has, bcus hes always had the rep of bad attitude and grittiness.

I never made him out to be anything. Read the posts. I said myself im not overrating the guy bcus I have to defend him 15 times. Of course thats going to make it sound like im hyping him if I have to defend him for 15 posts. Nothing ive said about Reggie has been untrue.

The point of their being a lack of tough guys in the NBA just supports my argument. No, theres no Charles Oakley esque players anymore.. and in this softer group of tough guys in the NBA today, the undersized Reggie Evans is right up there. Reggie defines the kind of player you want out there to get a hard foul.. hes the 3rd or 4th big man and you want to make use of the 6 fouls he has. Generally these types of players are good to use to put STAR PLAYERS ON THEIR ASS.. being that Evans has never been in a game where a guy like Kobe has gone for 82 points, we cant know for sure how Reggie would've reacted.. but I know for sure he would've atleast tried to make it tougher for Kobe under the rim, hes always been the kind of player despite lacking the length to block a lot of shots.

Lol @ the quote "take it from guys that watch these guys everyday" like you're supposed to be some kind of bball analyst. Im fairly certain I watch just as much, if not more ball than you. I was gambling on ball all-season and all I did was watch a shit ton of ball from all-around the league daily. So that definitely doesnt fly..

In the end this whole thing got blown out of proportion. You still came to the rescue of a retarded argument, did you even read it? First the guys claims im calling him a UFC fighter, then says hes never had a flagrant or an ejection. Atleast if you're going to make a dumb argument, find smart things to say. Not trying to use completely false facts as your biggest supporting statement, like Obst did.

 

[Kuzzy Powers]

For the record.. just some guys in the A that id put up there with Reggie, if not even ahead, that wasnt on your list.. just to prove im not really being bias here:

Kenyon Martin
Bruce Bowen
Raja Bell
Chuck Hayes
Calvin Booth
Jason/Jarron Collins
Zaza Pachulia
Theo Ratliff

Thats abt it..

PS: Please remove Dwight from your list.. noone who lists Finding Nemo as his favourite movie should be considered tough or an enforcer.

 

[FirstTimer]

You're acting as if having to get flagrant fouls defines you as a tough player. Thats pretty retarded in itself.

Kobe Bryant would've never gone for 82 with a guy like Reggie Evans around. Hes going out there and getting a flagrant 2 ejection before he allows that to happen.
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[The Messenger]

So I asked you to name me 10 guys, one of them is retired, and one is a blonde haired German who cant even stay healthy, nevermind be considered tough.

lol I used Kaman because of Evans' famous "tough" play, Kaman tossed his ass to the ground after it and Evans just sat there, didn't even pop up to fight or anything. Charles Oakley, Dennis Rodman, Latrell Sprewell, etc would have popped up and let Kaman know who they're fucking with. Shit, even Anthony Peeler and Michael Finley would have.

I used P.J. just because he retired a year ago and there were talks of him coming back all season long.

Evans is right up there those guys as an "enforcer".. really theres no enforcers in the NBA, but id put Evans up there with the top tough guys to have your squad.

Like I said, the NBA doesn't really have these enforcer guys anymore. The NBA isn't really tough anymore. The only guys who really stand out as a tough guys who get in people's faces and puts people on their ass constantly are Kevin Garnett and Ron Artest. Besides them, the new tough guys of the NBA aren't really tough. Evans included.

But maybe you dont realize that because Reggie gets a lack of attention from the NBA. Ive been watching this guy from Seattle, im wondering if anyone else has, bcus hes always had the rep of bad attitude and grittiness.

I've also been watching Reggie play since Seattle as I paid close attention to them in the early 2000's because I really liked the combo of Ray-Ray, Rashard, Flip, and Brent Barry. Main reason why I said in my post to watch his games from Philly, Denver, and Seattle because all throughout his career, Reggie has never been this tough guy.

I never made him out to be anything. Read the posts. I said myself im not overrating the guy bcus I have to defend him 15 times. Of course thats going to make it sound like im hyping him if I have to defend him for 15 posts. Nothing ive said about Reggie has been untrue.

It's exaggerated. I didn't get this from your 15 posts, you can read the first couple and see where you're calling him an enforcer and the guy you want to get hard fouls and the guy who would put Kobe on his ass if he was going off. Reggie isn't that guy. He never has been. Never will be. I don't see how you're not getting that.

The point of their being a lack of tough guys in the NBA just supports my argument. No, theres no Charles Oakley esque players anymore.. and in this softer group of tough guys in the NBA today, the undersized Reggie Evans is right up there. Reggie defines the kind of player you want out there to get a hard foul.. hes the 3rd or 4th big man and you want to make use of the 6 fouls he has. Generally these types of players are good to use to put STAR PLAYERS ON THEIR ASS..

You described a regular 3rd of 4th big man's job off the bench. That's to use their fouls strategically. That's everyone's job. That's Melvin Ely's job. That's Fabricio Oberto's job. Does that make them tough guys? No. Name me one time where Reggie has ever put someone on their ass? And the Kaman situation doesn't work because Reggie just used a little trick to try and get position and he thought Kaman wouldn't do anything about it besides complain, then Kaman threw his ass to the ground. The Kaman situation hurts your argument more than it helps it.

Being that Evans has never been in a game where a guy like Kobe has gone for 82 points, we cant know for sure how Reggie would've reacted.. but I know for sure he would've atleast tried to make it tougher for Kobe under the rim, hes always been the kind of player despite lacking the length to block a lot of shots.

Yes, Reggie is a banger down low. No, he is not a guy who goes and alters shots. How exactly would he make it tougher for Kobe? He's not going to deny Kobe inside. He's not going to put him on his ass cause he's never done it before. What exactly is he going to do to make it tougher for Kobe besides you saying "he's going to make it tougher?"

Lol @ the quote "take it from guys that watch these guys everyday" like you're supposed to be some kind of bball analyst. Im fairly certain I watch just as much, if not more ball than you. I was gambling on ball all-season and all I did was watch a shit ton of ball from all-around the league daily. So that definitely doesnt fly..

No. What I was saying is that there's people who watch their teams and watch every single game. OBST already said he's done that with Philly. I used to do that with Seattle when Reggie was a member of their team. Reggie's never been the player you are claiming he is, and I've watched enough Nuggets and Sixers games to know that he hasn't magically changed into this tough guy since leaving Seattle.

I was never questioning how much you watch NBA games.

In the end this whole thing got blown out of proportion. You still came to the rescue of a retarded argument, did you even read it? First the guys claims im calling him a UFC fighter, then says hes never had a flagrant or an ejection. Atleast if you're going to make a dumb argument, find smart things to say. Not trying to use completely false facts as your biggest supporting statement, like Obst did.

I read his argument or else I wouldn't have even replied, and if it was as stupid as you think it is, I would've just let you make a fool of him. However, you're exaggerating what he was saying. For instance, you said in your first couple of posts, "We got much tougher bcus of this trade. Reggie Evans is a guy whos not afraid to put an opposing player flat on his back. We havent had that since Charles Oakley." You made claims like this this whole thread and they aren't true. Reggie isn't that guy.

Regardless with what OBST said, I disagree with you on what you think about Reggie Evans. I agree with DSA's outlook on it. You guys got a guy who is going to clean the glass and get extra possessions on offense. The Raps really need that guy and Reggie is a good fit. However, he's not a tough guy and he's not a "put you on your ass" player.

Don't look at my argument as I'm calling you stupid or I think you don't know much about basketball. I've seen you say a lot of smart things about basketball and I respect your knowledge. I just feel you're wrong on this whole Reggie Evans thing.

I just found it funny that 4 of the players on that list were on the Celtics team last year. Haha.

That's what I said when I was thinking of the list. But if you look back on last season, the Celtics were the best defensive team, the toughest team, and they talked a shit load of trash from their bench. That's obviously something that helped them succeed last year was there toughness.

 

[Kuzzy Powers]

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And? Show me where I said you have to get flagrant fouls to be considered tough?

I already told you never to come to me on a bball related topic again. Your ball card was revoked when you said Ben Wallace was overrated in Detroit.

 

[The Messenger]

And? Show me where I said you have to get flagrant fouls to be considered tough?

I already told you never to come to me on a bball related topic again. Your ball card was revoked when you said Ben Wallace was overrated in Detroit.

I need to hear this story lol.

 

[Kuzzy Powers]

http://www.virtualsportsnetwork.com/forum/showthread.php?t=21800

Its plastered throughout that thread..

Id type a big reply Messenger but id just be repeating what ive already said. Lets just agree to disagree. And hopefully when Evans put someone on his ass hard this year I can come back and show yall what I was talkin about. That being said, ive now gone far too far in defending the guy and yes admittedly now myself believe hes tougher than he probably is, hah.

 

[FirstTimer]

And? Show me where I said you have to get flagrant fouls to be considered tough?

I already told you never to come to me on a bball related topic again. Your ball card was revoked when you said Ben Wallace was overrated in Detroit.

Ha!

Wow.

Love the Kuzzy logic.

You used a hypothetical of Evans putting Kobe on his ass and getting flagrant fouls when Kobe was going for 82 as an example of the type of toughness Evans will bring. Not only has Evans never put anyone on his ass, that anyone can find, but you used the direct example of Evans getting flagrant fouls in a hypothetical situation to demonstrate his "toughness" as an enforcer.

Then you go on to say:

You're acting as if having to get flagrant fouls defines you as a tough player. Thats pretty retarded in itself.

Ok. So what defines Evans as a "tough" player or enforcer then? He's never put anyone on his ass, as you claim, he's never gotten a flagrant two,(The Kaman thing was a F1 I believe) as your hypothetical claims. So far the "toughest" and "enforciest" play of his career has been grabbing a German's nuts and getting thrown to the ground.

I suppose getting hypothetical flagrant two's in a game from a few years ago defines a player as "tough" then?

He's always been a great rebounder, even in college at Iowa. But great rebounder =/= tough or an enforcer.

 

[Kuzzy Powers]

Ha!

Wow.

Love the Kuzzy logic.

You used a hypothetical of Evans putting Kobe on his ass and getting flagrant fouls when Kobe was going for 82 as an example of the type of toughness Evans will bring. Not only has Evans never put anyone on his ass, that anyone can find, but you used the direct example of Evans getting flagrant fouls in a hypothetical situation to demonstrate his "toughness" as an enforcer.

Then you go on to say:



Ok. So what defines Evans as a "tough" player or enforcer then? He's never put anyone on his ass, as you claim, he's never gotten a flagrant two,(The Kaman thing was a F1 I believe) as your hypothetical claims. So far the "toughest" and "enforciest" play of his career has been grabbing a German's nuts and getting thrown to the ground.

I suppose getting hypothetical flagrant two's in a game from a few years ago defines a player as "tough" then?

He's always been a great rebounder, even in college at Iowa. But great rebounder =/= tough or an enforcer.

You believe wrong. It was a flagrant 2 and an ejection.

Lol @ you trying to believe hes never put someone on their ass.. have you watched every Reggie Evans game in his whole career? Im going by what I see.. I see a gritty guy, willing to draw charges, willing to bang down low, willing to throw his elbows if he has to to get a rebound. This is a tough player. Never once, ever, did I say flagrant fouls = tough player. Never. I said he would get a flagrant on Kobe during that game, which admittedly is an overblown comment, but the point I was making is that he wouldnt be afraid to put Kobe on his ass or anyone in those situations.

Gritty, undersized forwards who rack up tons of offensive rebounds and arent afraid to bang are generally tough guys. Never once did I say you have to draw flagrant fouls to be tough, so it was useless for you to post in this thread period.