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Rookie of the Year, So far?

Berrian, yes, Rice, no. Rice keeps making plays. Berrian ... well, haven't heard too much talk about him. It's all Rice and Harvin when I hear talk about the Vikings receivers. Sometimes I forget that Berrian is even a Viking.

Berrian has been nicked up FWIW. Both games against the Pack, Rice was a stud. Berrian always seems to burn Al Harris too...but a lot of people burn Harris. :lulz:

:yep:

Some times you gotta dig a little deeper than glancing at the standings to get an accurate picture of a players contribution.

So do his injuries count towards his contribution? Because his injury prone-ness always hurts the Hawks.
 
Ummm, isn't Mike Wallace 3rd on the depth chart on a team that has Hines Ward and Santonio Holmes ... and knowing defenses are keying Ward and Holmes, it's no suprise that Wallace's stats are inflated. I tend to think that Wallace is benefitting from defenses keying in on Ward and Holmes.

Anyways, I've got Harvin as OROY and Cushing as DROY. The hype around Bryd reminds me a lot of the hype that surrounded Ko Simpson and Donte Whitner of the Bills a few seasons back. I'm not ready to crown him yet but I won't dismiss him right now either. He's definitely in the chase.

and harvin doesnt benefit from people having to play 8 men in the box to respect AP? the fact that wallace is not a starter and is putting up those kinds of numbers inst a mark against him, it is a plus. it means that he is taking advantage of the fewer opporunities that he has.

good damn cowboys fans...
 
the impact of a rookie should be based on what they do when they get a chance. if berrian and rice are blanketed and harvin is open and he makes plays instead (as he does) instead of dropping passes and causing picks then he is an impact player, regardless of what the others are doing. same with wallace. his chance comes when people have to worry about hines, heath and santonio and he steps up, unlike sweed (whom you mentioned) who couldnt catch the swine flu in an NYC subway. if you had to say who has the bigger impact the edge would probably go to harvin becasue he adds that explosiveness in the return game.

as for holmes not being a huge factor this year, well people know his name and he gets doubled alot. it comes with being a super bowl mvp i guess, but he is making plays when he gets the chance. i dont see him having a huge year but he should get 1000 yards and 7-10 td's. if he doesnt at least i know he wont act like a bitch and try to submarine the team for his own glory.
 
the impact of a rookie should be based on what they do when they get a chance. if berrian and rice are blanketed and harvin is open and he makes plays instead (as he does) instead of dropping passes and causing picks then he is an impact player, regardless of what the others are doing. same with wallace. his chance comes when people have to worry about hines, heath and santonio and he steps up, unlike sweed (whom you mentioned) who couldnt catch the swine flu in an NYC subway. if you had to say who has the bigger impact the edge would probably go to harvin becasue he adds that explosiveness in the return game.

as for holmes not being a huge factor this year, well people know his name and he gets doubled alot. it comes with being a super bowl mvp i guess, but he is making plays when he gets the chance. i dont see him having a huge year but he should get 1000 yards and 7-10 td's. if he doesnt at least i know he wont act like a bitch and try to submarine the team for his own glory.

GBU or gtfo
 
why the fuck would I need to talk about the 2 right before he sucked? You said there hasn't been improvement, I stated and backed up my statement with facts, therefore i'm right and your wrong.

typical dumb fucking fins fan.

P.S. what does that have to do with Sanchez? lol...when your wrong, you usually try to find ways your right. Congrats on those two wins. ;)
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Harvin is the only rookie I've seen week in week out so rather than nominate I'll just give my thoughts on his performance.

Harvin is probably the best kick returner in football this season. He is consistently brilliant and has given us not just good field position but excellent field position; especially when it matters most. I'm surprised teams are still kicking to him.

As a receiver he's Favre go to guy. He was the first receiver Favre clicked with and only recently have the other guys got on that same rapport. On 3rd down, the ball is going to Harvin, and it's probably going lead to a 1st down.

As a runner he's a good gadget guy and has had more than reasonable success both as the type of end around carrier and from the backfield the traditional way.

I honestly believe he has been our offensive player of the year so far.
 
good point about the 8-ITB.

Santonio Holmes has not put up numbers that remind us of last season's burst. I cannot tell you why but it's just something I've noticed. Hines Ward is on the downside of his career and really has not been playing as well as he's known for and that. As for Mike Wallace, it's not so much a knock on his ability but rather pointing out his situation. He beat out Limas Sweed ... which from everything I've heard about Limas Sweed, that was apparently not hard to do, and while teams are keying on Ward and Holmes, Mike Wallace stepped up. Those are fantastic numbers for a slot receiver but again, I was just looking at the situation. One piece of info that should help his case is that he's had no running game that frightened defenses. Willie Parker doesn't frighten anyone and Mendenhall only recently burst onto the scene in Parker's abscense. This allowed defenses to play the pass and by focusing on Holmes and Ward, they've opened up the door for the little-known Mike Wallace.

*Speaking of "little-known" Mike Wallace, I had no idea he was even a rookie because for whatever reason, my mind kept mixing his name up with Taco Wallace (no idea why) and I knew he'd been in the league a while.

Going back to Harvin, Sidney Rice and Bernard Berrian were little-known players as well. I mean, everyone knows Randy Moss and Terrell Owens and Larry Fitzgerald and Anquan Boldin and Santonio Holmes, but they most likely couldn't have named a Vikings receiver off the top of their head when prompted before the season started. I only mention Holmes in that group because of his Super Bowl performance and people are very likely to know of him. So in truth, Harvin could have benefitted from the 8-ITB and so could have Rice and Berrian. However, between Rice and Berrian, Rice is the only one stepping up in terms of making catches downfield while Berrian appears to be benefitting from Rice and Harvin, not Harvin benefitting from Rice and Berrian.

Hines Ward is having a great year..no idea where that comment came from bout him not playing well jeez.

Mike Wallace makes his case every week..
 
Yeah personally I would take Harvin or Wallace over Nicks because of impact on the games. Nicks has been great and probably has the nicest stats (Yards, TDs, and best YPC) but it seems like he has a lot of big plays in trash time of the 4th quarter i.e. Chiefs & Saints TD whereas both Harvin and Wallace are changing games singlehandly. And don't take away from Wallace just because he plays with two solid WRs, the guy has showed up and made plays when they need em.

Anywho, it's waayyyyy to early to decide the RoTY anyway and it's the biggest fucking sham that pro-bowl voting has already started aswell.
 
No way should Nicks be a ROTY candidate just yet. He's not getting a ton of playing time and most of his big plays are one and done.
 
why the fuck would I need to talk about the 2 right before he sucked? You said there hasn't been improvement, I stated and backed up my statement with facts, therefore i'm right and your wrong.

typical dumb fucking fins fan.

P.S. what does that have to do with Sanchez? lol...when your wrong, you usually try to find ways your right. Congrats on those two wins. ;)

Today:
53% completions
212yds
1TD
2INTs


....but he's improving because he put together 2 good games out of 9.
 
Today:
53% completions
212yds
1TD
2INTs


....but he's improving because he put together 2 good games out of 9.

lmao you fucking fans need to drive off a cliff

at the time i said that it was an improvement.

he had a struggle last game after two good games and you bring this up...i was right at the time...so fuck off.
 
lmao you fucking fans need to drive off a cliff

at the time i said that it was an improvement.

he had a struggle last game after two good games and you bring this up...i was right at the time...so fuck off.
still mad I see...

He had 2 good games back to back. He is not improving, he still has terrible numbers when you look at 9 games out of 9.

BTW...nice game yesterday.
 
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