RROD repairs apparently have exceeded Microsofts alotted $1 billion

[Twigg4075]

http://gizmodo.com/5015483/microsofts-1-billion-xbox-360-recall-problems-caused-by-chip-cheapness
Here's a related article but I just read a small article in Game Informer that said that apparently repair costs have exceeded the $1 BILLION MS set aside when they finally admitted the the manufacturing problems with the 360 on 2008.

Having a larger install base is great and all but we all know these companies are in it for the money. I wonder what MS'S bottom line really is after over a BILLION in losses?

That is just an insane amount of money.

Maybe this is why they are fucking us over with overpriced DLC and arcade games?

 

[JayDizzle]

I dunno if Bill Gates and Co. wipe their ass with that type of money but I'd sure as hell say that the business model for the XBox 360 hasn't exactly gone according to plan...

I.E., They'll go broke if their consumer base switches to Sony due to their brand not breaking down every few months or so.

 

[Herm]

I dunno if Bill Gates and Co. wipe their ass with that type of money but I'd sure as hell say that the business model for the XBox 360 hasn't exactly gone according to plan...

I.E., They'll go broke if their consumer base switches to Sony due to their brand not breaking down every few months or so.

Sad part is it wont happen, so many kids ask their parents to buy video game consoles for them and they buy them the supershitty wii or the price friendly 360 compared to the PS3.

My cousin asked his mom for a ps3 for Christmas and she bought him a 360 and told him "the ps3 has a bunch of problems, im buying you the more reliable one" lmao, hes had the red rings 2x since Christmas 07.

If it werent for the stupendous failure rates i'd have a 360 over a PS3 myself. Its obviously the game developers platform of choice due to the higher user base.

 

[Maynard]

Maybe this is why they are fucking us over with overpriced DLC and arcade games?

yes because they are the only gaming system charging those high rates for DLC and arcade games

does your wardrobe consist of nothing but gray shirts?

 

[Twigg4075]

yes because they are the only gaming system charging those high rates for DLC and arcade games

does your wardrobe consist of nothing but gray shirts?

They basically are. Look at Gears of War and Halo map packs compared to Killzone, Resistance or Warhawk packs. And I think it's pretty well documented that XBLA are way overpriced compared to PSN games. PSN also seems to have a lot more in the way of creative and new PSN games as compared to XBLA's rehashed retro games. But that's for another discussion.

 

[Misogi]

They basically are. Look at Gears of War and Halo map packs compared to Killzone, Resistance or Warhawk packs. And I think it's pretty well documented that XBLA are way overpriced compared to PSN games. PSN also seems to have a lot more in the way of creative and new PSN games as compared to XBLA's rehashed retro games. But that's for another discussion.

Let's not forget gameshare as well, my friend.

 

[Twigg4075]

Let's not forget gameshare as well, my friend.

You mean being able to share games on up to five consoles on PSN? Good point. I slept on that.

 

[Twigg4075]

As far as pricing is concerned, that's dependent on Sony and Microsoft's revenue sharing, as well as user-base, since more users means that there is an increased chance of content purchase.

You're exactly right. But the fact, and it is a fact, is that MS takes more of the profit from the games then what Sony does. I've read about and heard about (on podcasts) of how MS's contracts with companies give them the bigger part of the profit margin. Which makes the overall price of the game more expensive because the developer has to make money somehow. I have no idea about Nintendo.

 

[Maynard]

wow...didnt know all that about the ps3...gameshare and what not. sounds like an excellent system, i wonder why its getting killed in sales. and lost the next gen war

 

[Twigg4075]

bc xbox coming into market first had nothing to do with it?

That's pretty much the bottom line. It was a genius decision to beat Sony to market with the next console.

But I couldn't care less. I'm a gamer, period. I just want a console(s) that don't break all the fucking time. When the 360 is working it's a great console.

I was listing to the Gamer Husbands podcast the other day and I think they summed it up best. A listener wrote in with a question asking all of the hosts if they were stranded on a desert island which ONE console would they want to have. I figured most if not all would say 360 because it seems that they are very pro 360 when listening to them. But everyone answered PS3. And what did most of them say? "At least I know the PS3 isn'y going to break on me."

 

[Maynard]

bc xbox coming into market first had nothing to do with it?

That's pretty much the bottom line. It was a genius decision to beat Sony to market with the next console.
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um, that would be all fine and dandy of an excuse if the nintendo wii didnt exist

thanks for playing :flush:

 

[AJay]

I don't know what it is or if I'm doing something different. Maybe I'm just damn lucky.

I have 2 Xbox360's. Once since launch and another one since last January/Feb of 08. Never had a problem with either of them. No RROD's or nothing.

I don't do anything special. I have it on a stand by the tv, turn it on when I wanna play it, turn if off when I'm done.

 

[Misogi]

That's pretty much the bottom line. It was a genius decision to beat Sony to market with the next console.

But I couldn't care less. I'm a gamer, period. I just want a console(s) that don't break all the fucking time. When the 360 is working it's a great console.

I was listing to the Gamer Husbands podcast the other day and I think they summed it up best. A listener wrote in with a question asking all of the hosts if they were stranded on a desert island which ONE console would they want to have. I figured most if not all would say 360 because it seems that they are very pro 360 when listening to them. But everyone answered PS3. And what did most of them say? "At least I know the PS3 isn'y going to break on me."

Even still, paying previously-exclusive companies to bring their games to multi-platform, or even exclusive on 360(Fatal Inertia...which ended up a bust anyways) put a dent in sony.

However, i'm not ready to say microsoft's won the war just yet; this war as a whole has been pretty weak. the Heavy-Hitting stuff isn't consistent enough.

 

[Misogi]

um, that would be all fine and dandy of an excuse if the nintendo wii didnt exist

thanks for playing :flush:

While I don't count the Wii as in this war(and they are, but it's really the battle of 2nd place between XB360/PS3), they pretty much got where they are by tapping into a different demographic, with a different perspective.

 

[Twigg4075]

um, that would be all fine and dandy of an excuse if the nintendo wii didnt exist

thanks for playing :flush:

The Wii is it's own beast. I don't think anyone considers it a "hardcore" system like 360 or PS3. Even Sony and MS never considered it a threat in their initial plans.

Unfortunately no one can turn back the clock here. But I can guarantee you things would be different had the roles been reversed. MS has pissed off a lot of people, including myself, by making two asshole decisions.
1) Releasing the 360 only four years after the release of Xbox and then completely abandoning the Xbox to boot.
2) Releasing the 360 well before it was ready and cutting corners in the process.

It all stems to one thing. They wanted to beat Sony to market. In the long run it was still the best decision, even if they are paying out the ass to this day. Now they can look forward to the next generation with the huge market share they stole from PS gamers, and also capitalize on the huge mistakes they made this generation.

 

[Twigg4075]

wow...didnt know all that about the ps3...gameshare and what not. sounds like an excellent system, i wonder why its getting killed in sales. and lost the next gen war

Because most people are fucking retarded. When I talk to anyone with half a brain that actually knows anything about gaming their console of choice is a PS3 or it's the only console they have.

And as far as game sharing is concerned, it's easily one of the most innovative things this gen.

 

[Sven Draconian]

Do the people who are bashing the 360 now bash the PS2 before?

 

[The Messenger]

Because most people are fucking retarded. When I talk to anyone with half a brain that actually knows anything about gaming their console of choice is a PS3 or it's the only console they have.

That was a retarded statement and blatantly calls out half (or more) of the gamers on VSN. Just because you have a reliable system doesn't mean you know something about gaming, doesn't mean you don't either. Other people simply prefer the 360. And those that do are usually hardcore online gamers simply because PSN is an infant compared to Xbox Live.

People with both systems often buy all of their FPS games for Xbox 360 simply because Xbox Live is leaps and bounds ahead of PSN.

Just because you own a PS3 doesn't mean you're a "real gamer" or something stupid like that, it just means you prefer a reliable system over everything else.

Never tried game sharing on my PS3 and I haven't heard much about it. I was really excited about Home, but it was horrible and I used it maybe twice before deleting the date off my PS3. DLC appears to cost the same amount on 360 and PS3. Microsoft can also put up their demos whenever they need to, PS3 users have to wait until Thursday. Not that that was a problem to me because I had a 360 as well and could play the demos on there.

 

[Herm]

Do the people who are bashing the 360 now bash the PS2 before?

Yes I went through 2 ps2s, i believe. My first one lasted me about 5 years and my second one lasted me until i traded it in towards a new console. I know it had problems with dying out that i typically didnt hear about with the original xbox. Im not saying they didnt happen, but i wasnt on the internet with all the gamewars back then so i might not have known if they did.

The damn disc read error was a mofo on those things. I think technically the xbox blew the ps2 out of the water, but PS2 had the market share. When i would play games at my buddies house such as MVP Baseball, NBA Street, etc that i had on ps2 and he had on xbox i think his graphics looked better maybe it was just me. Sony was the big boy on the video game block WITH THE ONE YEAR advance on the marketplace.

It seems to be more of the same here, the 360 is quite possibly the most unreliable piece of electronics in US History, but it came out a year before the higher priced PS3 and owns the market.

 

[Twigg4075]

That was a retarded statement and blatantly calls out half (or more) of the gamers on VSN. Just because you have a reliable system doesn't mean you know something about gaming, doesn't mean you don't either. Other people simply prefer the 360. And those that do are usually hardcore online gamers simply because PSN is an infant compared to Xbox Live.

People with both systems often buy all of their FPS games for Xbox 360 simply because Xbox Live is leaps and bounds ahead of PSN.

Just because you own a PS3 doesn't mean you're a "real gamer" or something stupid like that, it just means you prefer a reliable system over everything else.

Never tried game sharing on my PS3 and I haven't heard much about it. I was really excited about Home, but it was horrible and I used it maybe twice before deleting the date off my PS3. DLC appears to cost the same amount on 360 and PS3. Microsoft can also put up their demos whenever they need to, PS3 users have to wait until Thursday. Not that that was a problem to me because I had a 360 as well and could play the demos on there.

I think you misread what I said a bit. What I was trying to say is that most people seem to choose the Wii or 360 because they are completely ignorant as to what the Ps3 actually offers. They just see the price and figure "Fuck it." Now, I know most of these people are soccer mom types that walk into a game store or electronics store wanting to buy a game console for little Billy. They just see the cheapest one or the one thwy've heard about the most ("Oh, I've heard a lot about that Wii thing! Barbara down the street bought it for her kid and even she likes to play aerobics on it!")

The fact is that most consumers out there don't make informed purchase decisions when it comes to this stuff. Hell, I was technically one of them a few years ago. I was going to wait until the PS3 released before buying a new console. But after only a few months my lack of patience overwhelmed me and I bought a 360. Four more 360's later and I regret the hell out of that purchase. Had I waited a bit longer I would've seen all of the issues popping up. But instead not only did my first 360 break withing TWO WEEKS but I was forced to send it in for repair because even though it was within the return period plus I had a Best Buy warranty it was useless because they were still arare at the time and the store didn't have any replacements.

Fast forward a few years and now I'm in for the long haul because I've invested so much money into the system.

When it works it's great. the problems are so prevalant it's a joke and it gets so old when people say "360 pwns! PS3 suxorz!" and add dome bullshit comment like Maynard added.

Obviously everyone is entitle to their opinion but I stand by my statement when I say that if someone really sat back and weighed the positives/negatives and value of each console the PS3 is the clear winner.