Rutgers & Maryland Join Big Ten

[JimLeavy59]

Notre Dame better win the title this year because after this shake up they might be fucked in long term.

 

[Argath]

Atlas has pretty much hit the nail on the head. Location boundaries mean nothing to conferences anymore and the general consensus with the SEC is that they will move west or North before they take another team from the East. It's been well noted that teams like Clemson, and FSU would go into the SEC but the SEC doesnt want them due to already controlling those markets. All those teams would add, in the eyes of other schools, is just competition for recruiting which is why they always get voted down.

When they talk about markets theyre not just talking about media markets which is what was difficult for me to wrap my head around. They're talking about recruiting markets as well. So yes conferences get paid for teams success, what's the best way to achieve that success? Put all the talent from a state on one school instead of spreading it out between 2-3 schools. That's why FSU, GT, and Clemson will never be added into the SEC but teams like UVA or VT and NC State might in the future.

 

[Argath]

I've also heard talk of UNC going to the Big10 as well. Who would be the 2nd school in the pair would be the question. I've heard talk of Duke only because UNC always sees themselves as a package deal with Duke. UVA would be a logical choice for the Big10 and it definitely has the academic prestige.

 

[Senser81]

Atlas has pretty much hit the nail on the head. Location boundaries mean nothing to conferences anymore and the general consensus with the SEC is that they will move west or North before they take another team from the East. It's been well noted that teams like Clemson, and FSU would go into the SEC but the SEC doesnt want them due to already controlling those markets. All those teams would add, in the eyes of other schools, is just competition for recruiting which is why they always get voted down.

So you think the SEC would benefit more from a conference matchup of Georgia vs. BYU/Air Force matchup than a Georgia vs. FSU matchup? Wouldn't the Georgia/FSU matchup draw better TV ratings? Wouldn't CBS pay more money for that game than for a Georgia/BYU game? Or are you saying that only people in Georgia/Florida would watch the Georgia/FSU game, whereas a Georgia/BYU game would draw a national audience?

And what do you mean when you say "the SEC already controlls those markets"...do FSU and Clemson people no longer watch their teams, instead tuning to the Florida and S.Carolina games?

When they talk about markets theyre not just talking about media markets which is what was difficult for me to wrap my head around. They're talking about recruiting markets as well. So yes conferences get paid for teams success, what's the best way to achieve that success? Put all the talent from a state on one school instead of spreading it out between 2-3 schools. That's why FSU, GT, and Clemson will never be added into the SEC but teams like UVA or VT might in the future.

So, with this logic, schools like FSU, GT, and Clemson don't recruit in-state talent right now because they are not in the SEC, but if they were added to the SEC, then all of the sudden schools like UF/UGA/USC would be hurt by their presence?

 

[Argath]

Notre Dame better win the title this year because after this shake up they might be fucked in long term.

Not in football. If it does come to a playoff system between 4 major conferences then they might join a conference but they'll probably be able to join whatever conference they want. Theyre sitting pretty right now.

 

[NAHSTE]

NC State and Mizzou ending up in the SEC is like two fat chicks who somehow get in the wrong limo leaving the club.

 

[Senser81]

NC State and Mizzou ending up in the SEC is like two fat chicks who somehow get in the wrong limo leaving the club.

And unfortunately for Mizzou, they had to step out of the limo this year.

 

[Argath]

So you think the SEC would benefit more from a conference matchup of Georgia vs. BYU/Air Force matchup than a Georgia vs. FSU matchup? Wouldn't the Georgia/FSU matchup draw better TV ratings? Wouldn't CBS pay more money for that game than for a Georgia/BYU game? Or are you saying that only people in Georgia/Florida would watch the Georgia/FSU game, whereas a Georgia/BYU game would draw a national audience?

And what do you mean when you say "the SEC already controlls those markets"...do FSU and Clemson people no longer watch their teams, instead tuning to the Florida and S.Carolina games?



So, with this logic, schools like FSU, GT, and Clemson don't recruit in-state talent right now because they are not in the SEC, but if they were added to the SEC, then all of the sudden schools like UF/UGA/USC would be hurt by their presence?

I completely understand what you're saying and it was hard for me to get my head around it all. The conferences arent looking for the best matchups and honestly I bet they could care less.

What I meant by recruiting was that UF and Georgia can say "hey, were the only SEC school in this state come play in the SEC." Not to mention though adding Clemson will give the SEC probably the last 1/3 or whatever population that doesn't pay attention to the SEC in South Carolina it doesn't compare to say adding VT which gives you a whole new state for spreading your influence. Both options have positive outcomes but VT has the potential to bring more fans due to being in a new state with no other SEC school.

 

[NAHSTE]

I completely understand what you're saying and it was hard for me to get my head around it all. The conferences arent looking for the best matchups and honestly I bet they could care less.

What I meant by recruiting was that UF and Georgia can say "hey, were the only SEC school in this state come play in the SEC." Not to mention though adding Clemson will give the SEC probably the last 1/3 or whatever population that doesn't pay attention to the SEC in South Carolina it doesn't compare to say adding VT which gives you a whole new state for spreading your influence. Both options have positive outcomes but VT has the potential to bring more fans due to being in a new state with no other SEC school.

There is some truth to this theory. Texas A&M's win over Alabama was the highest rated game in Texas that weekend, and the second most viewers came from the Austin market. I just wish the conference would find a middle ground between what is an obvious cash-grab and what is best for preserving tradition. NC State brings literally nothing to the table, IMO. The size of the "market" we'd be adding is negligible, culturally they wouldn't fit in, and competitively they are shit in football and have been largely "meh" in basketball.

 

[Argath]

There is some truth to this theory. Texas A&M's win over Alabama was the highest rated game in Texas that weekend, and the second most viewers came from the Austin market. I just wish the conference would find a middle ground between what is an obvious cash-grab and what is best for preserving tradition. NC State brings literally nothing to the table, IMO. The size of the "market" we'd be adding is negligible, culturally they wouldn't fit in, and competitively they are shit in football and have been largely "meh" in basketball.

They're a top10 team in basketball raking in some great recruiting classes each year. I wouldn't be surprised to see them in the elite 8 or final 4 in the next 2-3 years tops.

 

[NAHSTE]

They're a top10 team in basketball raking in some great recruiting classes each year. I wouldn't be surprised to see them in the elite 8 or final 4 in the next 2-3 years tops.

They have been historically "meh" for most of my lifetime.

 

[Goober]

I've also heard talk of UNC going to the Big10 as well. Who would be the 2nd school in the pair would be the question. I've heard talk of Duke only because UNC always sees themselves as a package deal with Duke. UVA would be a logical choice for the Big10 and it definitely has the academic prestige.

The Big 10 has a weird bylaw where any new addition to the conference has to be in the same state, or a neighboring state as one of the current members of the conference. So unless they get rid of this bylaw, they'd have to pick up a Virginia school to go along with North Carolina. Any further Big 10 expansion would like go in one of three directions:
1) Northeast: Syracuse and Boston College.
2) Southeast: Virginia, Virginia Tech, North Carolina
3) Southwest: Missouri, Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State.

 

[Argath]

ESPN has told the ACC commish yesterday the conference should brace itself and have 4-6 replacement teams at the ready ASAP. In turn the ACC have begun talks with Louisville, USF, Georgetown and St. John's on coming to the ACC. Poor Providence is gonna be the only team left in the Big Least.

ACC commish made a visit to Blacksburg and Charlottesville today to make a last ditch effort at keeping the programs.

Apparently B1G has given UNC and UVA an invite, but UNC says it won't leave Duke behind. Boston College is now pleading its case to the B1G to drop UNC and include them with UVA. BC is arguing Rutgers covers the NY market even though its not actually located in NY in order to get around the border clause in B1G bylaws. If this doesn't work BC would have to convince the B1G to add Syracuse in order to join. If the B1G adds Syracuse, it wouldn't be a huge surprise if the last slot was reserved for ND to round out the B1G at 18 teams.

FSU and Clemson are apparently in serious talks with the Big12.

VT and NC State are in serious talks with the SEC.

All 4 of these schools could announce their departure from the ACC by Christmas.


Crazy stuff going on in the ACC right now definitely something to keep your eye on in the next week.

 

[Chrispy]

Bye Bye Big East

Wonder where Uconn will end up? ACC probably and hopefully

 

[Argath]

Bye Bye Big East

Wonder where Uconn will end up? ACC probably and hopefully

Sorry forgot to throw them in there. They will be the next team added into the ACC. Announcement supposed to happen sometime next week.

Edit: Also forgot to add all that info is from the same guy who broke the news about UMD departing for the B1G.

 

[JimLeavy59]

Wow Duke and UNC in the Big Ten? Imagine the Big Ten basketball tournament

 

[Goober]

Big 10 should dump the shit schools that bring nothing to the table. Minnesota, Indiana, Purdue. But that probably won't happen. Boston College and Virginia would probably be the best scenario for the Big 10. BC would be good for the hockey program, and get the New England Market.

 

[JimLeavy59]

Big 10 should dump the shit schools that bring nothing to the table. Minnesota, Indiana, Purdue. But that probably won't happen. Boston College and Virginia would probably be the best scenario for the Big 10. BC would be good for the hockey program, and get the New England Market.

I'm sure they wan't Indiana for the basketball.

 

[packersfan4eva]

Big 10 should dump the shit schools that bring nothing to the table. Minnesota, Indiana, Purdue. But that probably won't happen. Boston College and Virginia would probably be the best scenario for the Big 10. BC would be good for the hockey program, and get the New England Market.

You're saying drops the schools who are good in other sports but shitty in football to add Boston College for hockey? Indiana has the #1 basketball team with Minnesota ranked #26 (top vote-getter), Indiana is one of the best track and soccer schools in the nation, Purdue and Indiana went 1-2 in baseball, and then nobody knows women's sports.

Genius idea. Drop three of the inaugural teams who also happen to be strong in other sports. They don't bring football to the table, but don't forget, aside from Wisconsin, Indiana had a chance to beat Michigan State (three touchdown lead), Ohio State (lost by three points, had a chance to take the lead in the 4th), Northwestern (down by a score with the ball in the 4th), Purdue (close in the 4th until they fucked up in the final minutes) and beat Illinois and Iowa. Indiana has a good recruiting class coming in and will be a legitimately good team in a few years. They snagged three four-star recruits and a bunch of three-stars. Purdue's going to a bowl game and has the same record as Michigan State. Minnesota sucks dick, but so does Illinois, who went 2-10 this season.

 

[Argath]

You're saying drops the schools who are good in other sports but shitty in football to add Boston College for hockey? Indiana has the #1 basketball team with Minnesota ranked #26 (top vote-getter), Indiana is one of the best track and soccer schools in the nation, Purdue and Indiana went 1-2 in baseball, and then nobody knows women's sports.

Genius idea. Drop three of the inaugural teams who also happen to be strong in other sports. They don't bring football to the table, but don't forget, aside from Wisconsin, Indiana had a chance to beat Michigan State (three touchdown lead), Ohio State (lost by three points, had a chance to take the lead in the 4th), Northwestern (down by a score with the ball in the 4th), Purdue (close in the 4th until they fucked up in the final minutes) and beat Illinois and Iowa. Indiana has a good recruiting class coming in and will be a legitimately good team in a few years. They snagged three four-star recruits and a bunch of three-stars. Purdue's going to a bowl game and has the same record as Michigan State. Minnesota sucks dick, but so does Illinois, who went 2-10 this season.

3 4* recruits might be a good recruiting class for Indiana but I'm literally laughing my fucking ass off at you thinking these guys are going to make you anywhere near relevant in the next 4 years. Maryland is able to pull in typically atleast 3-5 4* and a 5* or two every year in the fucking ACC.

Indiana will continue to be irrelevant in football for years to come. Close scores are close scores and nothing more the team still lost and the team still blows donkey dick