Samuel Jacob Bradford

[BigBucs]

Stafford will be fine. They are building around him and as long as he has CJ to throw too he will always put up respectable numbers as long as they can protect him, not to mention Best staying healthy. Bradford has a shit team with one weapon to hand the ball off too. Its going to take a couple of decent drafts for him to play to his full potential. Sanchez is ass and will never be a great QB :lesmug:

 

[Buzzman]

Stats don't equal success, ask Matt Shaub.

 

[mcstl25]

No offensive line, no wide receivers, and no cornerbacks.

/thread

 

[BigBucs]

Stats don't equal success, ask Matt Shaub.

Agreed but Shaub isnt the one to blame.

Im simply saying he will be successful as a QB as long as he can stay upright. Him putting up good numbers will mean he is doing his part. Like I said before, they seem to be trying to build around him. They already have a potential ATG WR, a good young TE, a good young RB etc.... Not sure how great his OL are but Im positive they address whatever needs you may have in the upcoming draft in order to continue the progression of Stafford.

What the rest of the team brings to the table will ultimately determine the Lions overall success but Stafford isnt one to worry about for the reasons above. You all have shown to be building on the other side of the ball with the drafting of Suh and Fairley. The Lions being a decent team all of a sudden isnt by mistake or a fluke.

The Rams on the other hand has a long way to go. It could end up being Alex Smith or David Carr all over again.

 

[Diivox]

I like Bradford and he has legitimate excuses but I still hold him to a higher standard than 0-5.

He's a nice player and the team is bad but the fact is that Tarvaris Jackson has twice as many TD passes, a much higher completion percentage, and a better QB rating than him.

Excuses only mean so much. Bradford should be playing better than he is right now and I expect him to.

this.

Maybe I'm just jaded after living in San Francisco for the first 6 years of the Alex Smith era. Year after year... "He's got no offense coordinator" "line is shit" "bad coaching" "no recievers" "wrong offense for him" etc etc...

This isn't just football, this is life. quality people outperform expectations. some of the greatest men in history overcame incredible difficulties to become those great men.

Bradford is nowhere near a competent quarterback yet and I haven't seen anything that tells me he will become a competent quarterback other than his draft position and contract. I'm not saying it will never come, I'm saying that no matter what you say about the rest of the team... he's a first overall pick and if you pay a man THAT much money, he should be making a difference and succeeding despite the negatives.

 

[Diivox]

Stats don't equal success, ask Matt Shaub.

or the other king of garbage time stats that Oakland just mortgaged its future for: Carson Palmer.

 

[Tailback U]

LOL how some of you continue to let bigbucs get to you is beyond me.

 

[Senser81]

This thread is a microcosm of why NFL discussion sucks here. Someone starts a thread about Sam Bradford, and we immediately get:

- dave
- BigBucs

FIXED for clarity

 

[Senser81]

this.

Maybe I'm just jaded after living in San Francisco for the first 6 years of the Alex Smith era. Year after year... "He's got no offense coordinator" "line is shit" "bad coaching" "no recievers" "wrong offense for him" etc etc...

This isn't just football, this is life. quality people outperform expectations. some of the greatest men in history overcame incredible difficulties to become those great men.

Bradford is nowhere near a competent quarterback yet and I haven't seen anything that tells me he will become a competent quarterback other than his draft position and contract. I'm not saying it will never come, I'm saying that no matter what you say about the rest of the team... he's a first overall pick and if you pay a man THAT much money, he should be making a difference and succeeding despite the negatives.

Terrible, terrible comparison. Did you post on MM? If so, I am surprised, because I don't remember someone being this terrible with every NFL-related posting.

Alex Smith threw 1 TD and 11 INTs his rookie year. If a QB threw incompletions on every pass, his rating would be 39.6. Smith's rating was 40.8. Smith has been lackluster for many years.

Sam Bradford had one of the greatest rookie seasons ever for a QB. And he did it with minimal surrounding talent. Due to injuries, this year the Rams have even less talent on offense. And Bradford is still only a few games removed from his great rookie season. So how in any way is this comparable to Alex Smith?

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

I don't understand this idea that Bradford is playing badly. If Bradford was playing badly, i'd be the first guy ripping him here.

I think it has a lot to do with the impatient nature of sports fans these days, and fantasy football.

For example, this quote:

Bradford is nowhere near a competent quarterback yet and I haven't seen anything that tells me he will become a competent quarterback other than his draft position and contract.

Nowhere near a competent QB? Again, his rookie numbers were historical. This is not a team where any QB is going to put up strong TD or yardage numbers. I think what we have, is people looking at boxscores, and surmising he is playing badly. He isn't. He's not playing great, either. But he does have a lot working against him, and he's playing about as well as can be expected under the circumstances. I get the idea that people don't quite grasp how bad the situation in St. Louis really is.

 

[Liquidrob]

woah woah woah, stop the clock, no need to rip on alex smith in this thread

 

[Deviant]

I don't understand this idea that Bradford is playing badly. If Bradford was playing badly, i'd be the first guy ripping him here.

I think it has a lot to do with the impatient nature of sports fans these days, and fantasy football.

For example, this quote:



Nowhere near a competent QB? Again, his rookie numbers were historical. This is not a team where any QB is going to put up strong TD or yardage numbers. I think what we have, is people looking at boxscores, and surmising he is playing badly. He isn't. He's not playing great, either. But he does have a lot working against him, and he's playing about as well as can be expected under the circumstances. I get the idea that people don't quite grasp how bad the situation in St. Louis really is.

I know that's directed towards someone else, but I definitely think Bradford is way above competent as a quarterback. The statement I bolded is why I started the thread because I didn't understand why Bradford was taking more sacks, putting up slightly less production, and why the offense seemed more anemic when (at least I thought) the offense was just as bad as they were last year.

I thought one year removed from his remarkable season where everyone dubbed him as an "elite" that he would be able to handle this offense despite how bad they were. How this thread became "they should trade and get Luck" or "he's comparable to Alex Smith" is beyond me, but the bolded part of your post is the only reason I made this thread because I wasn't sure if this guy is very good on an atrocious team or an average QB on a bad team.

 

[NAHSTE]

this.

Maybe I'm just jaded after living in San Francisco for the first 6 years of the Alex Smith era. Year after year... "He's got no offense coordinator" "line is shit" "bad coaching" "no recievers" "wrong offense for him" etc etc...

This isn't just football, this is life. quality people outperform expectations. some of the greatest men in history overcame incredible difficulties to become those great men.

Bradford is nowhere near a competent quarterback yet and I haven't seen anything that tells me he will become a competent quarterback other than his draft position and contract. I'm not saying it will never come, I'm saying that no matter what you say about the rest of the team... he's a first overall pick and if you pay a man THAT much money, he should be making a difference and succeeding despite the negatives.

This is shit.