Seahawks Fire Mora

[Bomberooski]

That o-line needs some serious serious help

 

[BazookaJoe5]

Other than the usual suspects - Cowher, Gruden, Dungy etc - what other options are out there?

How many coaches in the playoffs this year are on their second or more stint as a HC? Just three, Belichick, Turner, and Phillips, and are Turner and Phillips really "great" coaches? I don't understand why everyone talks about Cowher and Gruden and Shanny and so on so much, like you need to get one of these guys or else. I guess Ryan, Lewis, Peyton, Sparano, McCarthy, McDaniels, Tomlin, Harbaugh, Caldwell, Mike Smith, Childress, and so on aren't good coaches?

Carroll will be back to college within two years. If it is true that USC is about to have the hammer brought down on them and he wants to get out before that, he's going to be back coaching another college team like Saban in a year or two. This is an awful, stupid decision by the Seahawks, possibly worse than hiring Mora. There is a reason nobody hires college coaches anymore.

 

[BazookaJoe5]

I mean, look at some of the recent hires over the years and try and say they're better candidates than Carroll: Rahim Morris, Scott Linehan, Steve Spagnolo, Jim Schwartz, Jim Zorn, Tom Cable, Eric Mangini etc. It's not like there are a bunch of Vince Lombardi's, Chuck Noll's, Bill Walsh's etc available.

I notice you left out Nick Saban and Bobby Petrino, who would be a better comparison with Carroll than any of those guys.

 

[Sharkweather]

Why would those guys be better comparisons? Both of them quit on their teams and weasled their ways out of the NFL. Pete Carroll did not do that with either New York or New England.

He also did not have much NCAA success before taking those NFL jobs.

Unlike Saban at LSU, Petrino at Louisville. And now Pete at So. Cal.

He'll be back once he realizes how much harder the NFL is, rather than reeling in top 10 recruiting classes every year at the college level.

 

[Prodigal Son]

Right - because that's sooooo easy to do.

It is when you're USC. It's not when you're Idaho St.

 

[Sharkweather]

Right - because that's sooooo easy to do.

So. Cal Recruiting Rankings

2009: #4
2008: #8
2007: #2
2006: #1
2005: #1
2004: #1
2003: #3
2002: #13

Yeah, I'd say Pete was pretty good at it. Even if he was at Southern Cal. Its not like he is going to come back to college and coach at Florida International, he'll be at a top school, capable of reeling in those top classes once more.

 

[Bomberooski]

It is when you're USC. It's not when you're Idaho St.

Pocatello sucks.

 

[Prodigal Son]

Pocatello sucks.

While being in Crenshaw isn't exactly a great place, it's ignored when you can jump on the 10 and be at the beach within 30 minutes.

Also, the ridiculous amount of hot coeds who go there helps as well.

 

[Sharkweather]

True - but people tend to forget that USC wasn't what they are today before Pete Carroll took over - only 2 PAC-10 titles in the 90's. He took USC to a whole other level.

That's not really helping your cause is it?

So he took over an average So. Cal program and was pulling in top 10 classes every year basically. What is to say he cant do that again at another average program? He doesn't even have to go back to an elite program you are saying.

 

[Sharkweather]

What's my cause?!?!

Pete Carroll isn't a disaster?!?!

What I'm saying is the reason Carroll pulled top talent is he's GREAT at recruiting. Likewise, the reason USC dominated is he's a GREAT coach (at least at the college level). That kind of supports my point he's NOT a ship wreck - no?

Lol. The NFL is a whole other ball game. But okay, you enjoy your coach who took over a Super Bowl caliber team and finished with a worse record every year after.

Doesn't take much to please Seahawk fans these days.

 

[Prodigal Son]

What's my cause?!?!

Pete Carroll isn't a disaster?!?!

What I'm saying is the reason Carroll pulled top talent is he's GREAT at recruiting. Likewise, the reason USC dominated is he's a GREAT coach (at least at the college level). That kind of supports my point he's NOT a ship wreck - no?

I'm wondering if Seahawk fans were saying the same things when Dennis Erickson was hired.

 

[Archer]

How many coaches in the playoffs this year are on their second or more stint as a HC? Just three, Belichick, Turner, and Phillips, and are Turner and Phillips really "great" coaches? I don't understand why everyone talks about Cowher and Gruden and Shanny and so on so much, like you need to get one of these guys or else. I guess Ryan, Lewis, Peyton, Sparano, McCarthy, McDaniels, Tomlin, Harbaugh, Caldwell, Mike Smith, Childress, and so on aren't good coaches?

Carroll will be back to college within two years. If it is true that USC is about to have the hammer brought down on them and he wants to get out before that, he's going to be back coaching another college team like Saban in a year or two. This is an awful, stupid decision by the Seahawks, possibly worse than hiring Mora. There is a reason nobody hires college coaches anymore.

How many coaches in the playoffs this year are on their second or more stint as a HC? Just three, Belichick, Turner, and Phillips, and are Turner and Phillips really "great" coaches?

Well considering BB is the best coach of the modern era and Turner and Phillips are good coaches at their own individual area [O and D]... i'm sure Seattle wouldn't mind if Carroll comes close to any of those guys

I don't understand why everyone talks about Cowher and Gruden and Shanny

All of them have won something called a superbowl . Being a superbowl winning coach isin't an easy thing to do, teams are willing to go after guys who have been there and done it .

I guess Ryan, Lewis, Peyton, Sparano, McCarthy, McDaniels, Tomlin, Harbaugh, Caldwell, Mike Smith, Childress

Three of these aren't even in the playoffs so I'm not sure how they fit into this conversation but I'm sure nobody is saying these guys are bad coaches . Teams are just more willing to go after Superbowl Winning head coaches instead of first year guys.

Carroll will be back to college within two years. If it is true that USC is about to have the hammer brought down on them and he wants to get out before that, he's going to be back coaching another college team like Saban in a year or two

A little bit harsh to say that . Carroll has showed no signs in his career [as HC] thus far that make you think he will lie then quit on a team within a season or two.

This is an awful, stupid decision by the Seahawks, possibly worse than hiring Mora

NOTHING is worse than hiring Mora . NOTHING

 

[Sportsbuck]

What's my cause?!?!

Pete Carroll isn't a disaster?!?!

What I'm saying is the reason Carroll pulled top talent is he's GREAT at recruiting. Likewise, the reason USC dominated is he's a GREAT coach (at least at the college level). That kind of supports my point he's NOT a ship wreck - no?

Carroll is a good recruiter but he's also at the flagship program of one of the greatest recruiting states in the country... look around at some of the other schools that fit this description: Florida, Texas, Georgia, Ohio State, Penn State. What do they all have in common? They all pull in top-notch recruiting classes.

 

[Prodigal Son]

Probably - but then again I'm sure some Cowboys were saying the same things when Jimmy Johnson was hired.

I'm not even going to touch this one.

 

[Sportsbuck]

I agree but to say that you don't need at least some skill at recruiting to pull top classes at these schools is ridiculous.

I don't think anyone's denying that Carroll is skilled at recruiting.

But recruiting doesn't matter at all in the NFL.

 

[Bomberooski]

Well he'll be a fun interview to listen to on sports radio up here in the Northwest. And you can't deny that.

 

[Bomberooski]

And it's fun to be excited about something with the Seahawks after the season I just watched.