Stoudemire won't be traded to the Cavs, but this thread is still very lulzworthy.

[NAHSTE]

Yes because when people think of Steve Kerr they remember the 105 games he played for Cleveland in just over 2 seasons....Not the 3 NBA Championships in 5 seasons and 378 games he played for the Bulls.

When is the big Amar'e to Chicago deal going through? Are they going to send Steve Nash as well?

I really didn't even know Kerr was a Cavalier. I thought that with Craig Ehlo and Mark Price, they had satisfied their white guys requirement.

I think of Kerr as a Bull first, Spur second, terrible GM third.

 

[hoodyallen]

Hickson will average 13+8 for the Suns, Curry+Biedrins would have been a better deal though.

 

[Kuzzy Powers]

JJ Hickson is NOT very good. Please dont ever try to swing it like an Amare for Hickson trade is even remotely good.

 

[Archer]

Makes sense for the Suns

Amare' has made it obvious that he won't re-sign with them so they mayswell get something while they can . They get Z's expiring and a young player all for a player that was going to walk in a few months anyways

EDIT: The suns clearly don't rate Amare' that high lol. The Pacers asked for Z, Hickson and a pick for Murphy

 

[hoodyallen]

Very good trade for the Cavs if this were to go down. I thought the Suns could get more then Hickson and Z, but I guess teams wern't offering a better package at all.

Wern't the heat offering Beasley at one point?

Lebron/Stat/Shaq is one hell of a frontline.

Shaq sucks the Cavs are better when he isnt on the floor.

 

[Archer]

Very good trade for the Cavs if this were to go down. I thought the Suns could get more then Hickson and Z, but I guess teams wern't offering a better package at all.

Wern't the heat offering Beasley at one point?

Lebron/Stat/Shaq is one hell of a frontline.

Should be epically bad on D.

 

[FedEx227]

JJ Hickson is NOT very good. Please dont ever try to swing it like an Amare for Hickson trade is even remotely good.

It's not. But Hickson + expiring $11 million dollar deal for Amare is not bad.

 

[Archer]

It's not. But Hickson + expiring $11 million dollar deal for Amare is not bad.

Exactly

You got to remember aswell that teams are hardly going to be lining up to rent a player for half a year without any promise of a new deal. Only teams who are looking to make a championship push would be intrested in Amare' at this time of the year

 

[NAHSTE]

Should be epically bad on D.

Really can't be too bad when Moon is out there, with him and LBJ running around helping like madmen. I mean yeah that should be bad but will it be worse than when Z and Shaq were out there together?

 

[Archer]

Really can't be too bad when Moon is out there, with him and LBJ running around helping like madmen. I mean yeah that should be bad but will it be worse than when Z and Shaq were out there together?

I'm not sure. Amare' doesn't even try and play D

 

[FedEx227]

The Cavs actually weren't doing awful with Z out there: +2.9 (+/- rating).

Shaq, on the other hand, they do suffer: -4.9.

Their best 5-man unit all year looks like M.Williams-Parker-James-Varejao-Ilgauskas with something like +51. Their worst was actually Mo, Parker, James, Hickson, Shaq (-36)

 

[Primetime]

What kind of potential does Hickson have? I know he's doing pretty decent this year with the Cavs, but how's his defense? And how much of his success this year due to Lebron and giving him open shots?

Hustle defender with good shot blocking ability. Don't even worry about how much LeBron set him up so far this season, because he'll have twice the opportunities with Nash.

 

[Primetime]

The Cavs actually weren't doing awful with Z out there: +2.9 (+/- rating).

Shaq, on the other hand, they do suffer: -4.9.

Their best 5-man unit all year looks like M.Williams-Parker-James-Varejao-Ilgauskas with something like +51. Their worst was actually Mo, Parker, James, Hickson, Shaq (-36)

Pretty interesting actually. I wonder what Z's +/- is against starting centers though...

EDIT: Also, I find it funny that since Hickson's been placed in the starting line-up, they've won something like 13 straight? Weird that they still have that -36 rating and also shows you just how deep they really are.

 

[Len B]

If this happened in an nba sim league it'd get vetoed :horse:

 

[FedEx227]

Maybe not if the sim league had a soft, exception-laden salary cap...

 

[FedEx227]

Pretty interesting actually. I wonder what Z's +/- is against starting centers though...

Yeah, no clue. It does seem odd because as you mentioned they've been cruising with Hickson in the lineup. Hickson grades out pretty poorly too at -11.5. I admittedly don't watch a ton of Cavaliers basketball but was he bad at the beginning of the year. From what I've seen of him in the past 2 weeks he appears to be pretty servicable but the +/- bears out that he's a huge negative on the team... which seems odd.

Cleveland Cavaliers top five man units data from 82games.com

There's the breakdown for those interested.

 

[Kuzzy Powers]

The Suns really are only saving minimal money in making this trade. If Amare isnt planing using his player option, his contract was going to come off the books at the end of this year the same way Z's was. Z is there to match salaries and is also appealing cause hes expiring, but so is Amare. So essentially you're getting Hickson in return for Amare.. flat out, embarrassing trade for the Suns. There HAD to have been a trade with better prospects on the table then that.

Amare salary: 16.3 Mil

Z's salary: 11..5 Mil
Hickson's salary: 1.4 Mil

I understand the concept of exchanging contracts in the NBA, its just unfortunate when stars can be traded for cap relief, especially in situations like this.

 

[FedEx227]

Well the reports have to be wrong, there has to be other players involved before the money doesn't work out in a Hickson/Z for Amare move. There has to be a few more loose parts going with Z/Hickson.

NBA Trade Machine - ESPN

 

[Kuzzy Powers]

They'd have to throw in someone like Moon to make it work. It'd still be a pretty bad trade after that.. lol.

 

[Nukleopatra]

I don't give a fuck if they have to throw in Moon's girlfriend/wife - if this goes down, wow.

I'd love to see Shaq go out with one more title, but on the other hand, seeing Lebron win a championship, meh - It's bound to happen to anyway, so I'd rather see it happen with Shaq there.