Suarez is a 'disgrace'

[Chrispy]

^^^ That is turrible and makes no sense.

No excuses to not shake a person's hand no matter what, it's just being disrespectful to the game.

 

[CaribbeanJoseph]

^^^ That is turrible and makes no sense.

No excuses to not shake a person's hand no matter what, it's just being disrespectful to the game.

If someone racially abuses me 10 times as Evra claims and then continues to deny it I aint shaking their hand, likewise if someone falsley accuses me of it and I get an eight match ban I aint shaking their hand. The fact Evra wanted to shake hands and Luis didn't speaks volumes to me about what really happened. Anyway its a handshake at the end of the day stop blowing it out of proportion for fucks sake, Evras actions at the end were far more worse.

 

[BigHouseUSA]

That fact being, Suarez was found guilty by a third-party. If people aren't going to accept that this situation is going to get worse and worse and Liverpool's image is going to continue to crumble. Whatever Evra did was in reaction to Suarez' decision to not shake his hand, none of this happens if he just does it.

 

[Chrispy]

That fact being, Suarez was found guilty by a third-party. If people aren't going to accept that this situation is going to get worse and worse and Liverpool's image is going to continue to crumble. Whatever Evra did was in reaction to Suarez' decision to not shake his hand, none of this happens if he just does it.

Exactly, don't get why people can't get this... :smh:

 

[CaribbeanJoseph]

That fact being, Suarez was found guilty by a third-party. If people aren't going to accept that this situation is going to get worse and worse and Liverpool's image is going to continue to crumble. Whatever Evra did was in reaction to Suarez' decision to not shake his hand, none of this happens if he just does it.

Exactly, don't get why people can't get this... :smh:

Because Evra has a history of making false claims and the FA are hypocrites and biased. Its 1 players word against the other, you can't find someone guilty on that. The real disgrace is the way Luis has been treated and I will continue to back him all the way.

 

[BigHouseUSA]

The FA have nothing to do with how he was found guilty, it was a third-party. Does that not register with any LFC fan? There was no bias at hand here, ffs. Every fucking club can claim the FA are biased against them, you're not alone in thinking this. Did you even read the evidence against him? It fit the punishment just fine.

 

[NAHSTE]

How about this, don't blindly support a proven racist when he acts like a prick, and your fanbase will not continue to look worse and worse.

 

[CaribbeanJoseph]

The FA have nothing to do with how he was found guilty, it was a third-party. Does that not register with any LFC fan? There was no bias at hand here, ffs. Every fucking club can claim the FA are biased against them, you're not alone in thinking this. Did you even read the evidence against him? It fight the punishment just fine.

I'm well aware of the evidence and it is laughable and it is the FA that charged him.

How about this, don't blindly support a proven racist when he acts like a prick, and your fanbase will not continue to look wore and worse.

It's not blindly supporting, I'm black myself and I 100% believe Luis is innocent, any fan of any team would show the same support to a player they believe is innocent and being horribly mistreated if you say you wouldn't your a damn liar. It makes me proud the way the club, players and fans have supported Luis through this ordeal.

 

[mgoblue2290]

How about this, don't blindly support a proven racist when he acts like a prick, and your fanbase will not continue to look worse and worse.

Lets not sit here and pretend like Evra was a class act today either. If Suarez thinks Evra is a liar, then he shouldn't shake his hand. And Evra shouldn't be a cunt about it if he doesn't.

Evra is the one who made a show about Suarez not shaking his hand. Suarez was just going to walk past him and that was going to be all, yet Evra felt the need to grab him.

Anyways I hope the club doesn't dwell on this because despite playing like shit, we're still only 4 points off 4th with a somewhat easy schedule ahead.

 

[NAHSTE]

Lets not sit here and pretend like Evra was a class act today either.

I didn't see the game so I won't comment for or against Evra's behavior.

If Suarez thinks Evra is a liar, then he shouldn't shake his hand. And Evra shouldn't be a cunt about it if he doesn't.

I was always of the belief that you be the bigger man and shake your competitor's hand even if you hate him, or think he is a man of lesser character. I don't think it's out of the question to say Evra was willing to set aside differences for a quick pre-match handshake, in the name of competition.

Evra is the one who made a show about Suarez not shaking his hand. Suarez was just going to walk past him and that was going to be all yet Evra felt the need to grab him.

So Suarez tried to do it secretly, is what you're saying? Well if I offered you a handshake and you blew me off, I'd probably take issue with it too.

 

[calgaryballer]

Because Evra has a history of making false claims and the FA are hypocrites and biased. Its 1 players word against the other, you can't find someone guilty on that. The real disgrace is the way Luis has been treated and I will continue to back him all the way.

Evra has never made false accusations! The Chelsea one was brought by Mike Phelan who said he heard the claims towards Evra. Those weren't true, but Evra requested a private hearing and tried to stay away from it.

In this case, SUAREZ ADMITTED CALLING HIM A NEGRO! A THIRD PARTY FOUND THAT THE CONTEXT WAS HOSTILE AND WOULD BE CONSIDERED RACIST ANYWHERE IN THE RIVER PLATE REGION! That isn't one player against another. Suarez said I did it, but it didn't mean that much. Evra said he used a slightly different word and said it three more times than they found to be correct. In the heat of battle should we really expect the RACIALLY ABUSED PARTY to count exactly how many times they heard that word? "Oh, he only called you negro 4 times but you said 8? Guess he goes free"

What other absolutely stupid ideas have been posted in this thread? Evra slightly pulls his handback while Suarez very obviously skips him and goes to De Gea? I don't blame Evra if he feels conflicted over this, it's only been a couple months since Suarez was abusing him. Even if there was a slight pause his hand was still there to be shaken HAD SUAREZ WANTED TO. This was premeditated by Suarez

I love how Liverpool fans are so FUCKING STUPID that somehow Evra trying to be a bigger man and move past this means he was lying the whole time? Suarez was found guilty and served a suspension. Evra acknowledges this and admitted Suarez ISN'T A RACIST (which doesn't mean he didn't say RACIST things). Shaking hands was an easy way to bring closure to this situation, or at the very least distract from it. Suarez wasn't a big enough man to do so

This thread is absolutely ridiculous. I'm not sure what media conspiracy MGB and Caribbean think we are falling prey to, but it doesn't exist. Why would Dalglish say that Suarez was going to do it, and then pretend he didn't see it? The only reason this is still news is because Liverpool is making it!

Papa, BH, Fappin and myself are all fans of teams outside this rivalry. This isn't just a ManU/Liverpool rivalry thing. I've been pretty clear in my history on this board of bashing both these teams equally because of their spoiled fanbases. But Ferguson and Evra have handled this with more class than a lot of other things in their history. Frankly, Ferguson was right: if Suarez was so innocent, why not appeal?

 

[calgaryballer]

Regarding Evra's celebration, not much else to be said. If Suarez had shaken his hand, I don't think that happens. Was it immature? Yes. Is it understandable? Yes. The guy who abused him couldn't man up to shake my hand, you're fucking right I am getting right in his grill after we've won the match

 

[CaribbeanJoseph]

Evra has never made false accusations! The Chelsea one was brought by Mike Phelan who said he heard the claims towards Evra. Those weren't true, but Evra requested a private hearing and tried to stay away from it.

In this case, SUAREZ ADMITTED CALLING HIM A NEGRO! A THIRD PARTY FOUND THAT THE CONTEXT WAS HOSTILE AND WOULD BE CONSIDERED RACIST ANYWHERE IN THE RIVER PLATE REGION! That isn't one player against another. Suarez said I did it, but it didn't mean that much. Evra said he used a slightly different word and said it three more times than they found to be correct. In the heat of battle should we really expect the RACIALLY ABUSED PARTY to count exactly how many times they heard that word? "Oh, he only called you negro 4 times but you said 8? Guess he goes free"

What other absolutely stupid ideas have been posted in this thread? Evra slightly pulls his handback while Suarez very obviously skips him and goes to De Gea? I don't blame Evra if he feels conflicted over this, it's only been a couple months since Suarez was abusing him. Even if there was a slight pause his hand was still there to be shaken HAD SUAREZ WANTED TO. This was premeditated by Suarez

I love how Liverpool fans are so FUCKING STUPID that somehow Evra trying to be a bigger man and move past this means he was lying the whole time? Suarez was found guilty and served a suspension. Evra acknowledges this and admitted Suarez ISN'T A RACIST (which doesn't mean he didn't say RACIST things). Shaking hands was an easy way to bring closure to this situation, or at the very least distract from it. Suarez wasn't a big enough man to do so

This thread is absolutely ridiculous. I'm not sure what media conspiracy MGB and Caribbean think we are falling prey to, but it doesn't exist. Why would Dalglish say that Suarez was going to do it, and then pretend he didn't see it? The only reason this is still news is because Liverpool is making it!

Papa, BH, Fappin and myself are all fans of teams outside this rivalry. This isn't just a ManU/Liverpool rivalry thing. I've been pretty clear in my history on this board of bashing both these teams equally because of their spoiled fanbases. But Ferguson and Evra have handled this with more class than a lot of other things in their history. Frankly, Ferguson was right: if Suarez was so innocent, why not appeal?

What Luis has admitted he said and what Evra is claiming are miles apart.

 

[calgaryballer]

What Luis has admitted he said and what Evra is claiming are miles apart.

Come on. You're just being wilfully ignorant here. There is a reason that one of Britain's best lawyers issued a 115 page judgement. They wanted it airtight against appeal and found that Evra, combined with his witnesses, was telling the truth. Suarez, and his witnesses, changed their story multiple times. Which one is lying?

Regardless, if he said Negro ONCE in an angry way (which I believe he did), the 8 game ban is justified

 

[Chrispy]

Mr Suarez's evidence was unreliable in relation to matters of critical importance.
It was, in part, inconsistent with the contemporaneous evidence, especially the
video footage. For example, Mr Suarez said that he pinched Mr Evra's skin in an
attempt to defuse the situation. He also said that his use of the word "negro" to
address Mr Evra was conciliatory and friendly. We rejected that evidence..

 

[CaribbeanJoseph]

Come on. You're just being wilfully ignorant here. There is a reason that one of Britain's best lawyers issued a 115 page judgement. They wanted it airtight against appeal and found that Evra, combined with his witnesses, was telling the truth. Suarez, and his witnesses, changed their story multiple times. Which one is lying?

Regardless, if he said Negro ONCE in an angry way (which I believe he did), the 8 game ban is justified

Luis says he called him a negro once, Evra says he repeatedly called him a negro, said he didn't talk to blacks and that he fouled him cause he was black???

 

[Chrispy]

In paragraph 27 of his witness statement, Mr Suarez said this:

"Evra did not back off and Dirk Kuyt was approaching us to stand between us. At
this point I touched PE's left arm in a pinching type of movement. This all happened
very quickly. I was trying to defuse the situation and was trying to intimate to Evra
that he was not untouchable by reference to his question about the foul. Under no
circumstances was this action intended to be offensive and most certainly not
racially offensive. It was not in any way a reference to the colour of PE's skin."
(emphasis added)

246. Mr Greaney cross-examined Mr Suarez about this paragraph in Mr Suarez's witness
statement, just after showing Mr Suarez a clip of the goalmouth incident. The extract from
the transcript below omits the translation of the questions into Spanish, and Mr Suarez's
answers in Spanish. The answers given below are the interpreter's translation of Mr
Suarez's answers in Spanish.

"MR GREANEY: Mr Suarez, the first thing I would like to ask you, now that we have
seen those again, is: is it correct, as you say in paragraph 27 of your witness
statement, that you were trying to defuse or calm down the situation in the goal
mouth?

A. That's why I was explaining to him that it was a normal foul.

Q. Let me be as clear as I can. Was your aim, when you were in the goal mouth, and
speaking to Mr Evra, to calm down the situation? 63
A. I wasn't thinking about speaking to anyone. He was the one to come to me and
speak to me.

Q. What we want to know, or at least I do, is what was in your mind? Was it in your
mind to try to calm down the situation?
A. He was asking me, "Why did you kick me?" Those were football conversations,
and I replied, "This is a normal foul. What do you want me to do?"

Q. Do you see paragraph 27 of your statement? Does it read: "I was trying to defuse
or calm the situation"?
A. By the gesture I was doing with my hands, I could show that I was trying to
explain the situation, because these are conversations that you have in the field.

Q. Mr Suarez, I have to suggest to you that my question is really a very simple one.
In the goal mouth, and in particular as you pinched the skin of Mr Evra, do you say
you were trying to calm the situation?
A. Not after the pinch, because he was saying that he was going to hit me.

Q. I'll just make one more attempt, and then we will move on. In your statement,
over which we have understood you took some care, you have said of the pinching:
"I was trying to defuse the situation." All I wish to know is whether that is true or
not.
A. I was not trying to calm down the situation, but trying to explain to Evra why I
was doing this foul, and when - then he replied, "I'm going to hit you", and I was
trying to show him that he was not untouchable, not in the foul and not by the
gesture that I did with the - by the pinch I was doing to his arm, that he wasn't
untouchable.

:lol:

http://www.thefa.com/TheFA/Discipli...Written Reasons of Regulatory Commission.ashx

 

[CaribbeanJoseph]

:lol:

http://www.thefa.com/TheFA/Discipli...Written Reasons of Regulatory Commission.ashx

And that all proves what exactly?

 

[Chrispy]

Nothing, just thought it was funny....

Guy took forever to answer a simple question

 

[CaribbeanJoseph]

Nothing, just thought it was funny....

Guy took forever to answer a simple question

Yea I'm sure it has nothing to do with the fact that its a stressful enviorment and he doesn't speak english.