The Ray Rice Elevator Video

[ralaw]

What's your point?

Wasn't aware I needed one. I thought it related to the story. The murder part was just I side note.

 

[Tailback U]

Wasn't aware I needed one. I thought it related to the story. The murder part was just I side note.

Gotcha... Sounded kinda like you were trying to suggest that there is a link between men that defend themselves against violent women and murderers.

Women are very peculiar creatures. Some are very sweet and harmless, others can be the most psychotically unstable organisms on the planet. I don't believe in that "a man should NEVER hit a women" bullshit. Im more of a "a man should hit a woman if she needs to be hit" kinda guy.

 

[The Catch]

Gotcha... Sounded kinda like you were trying to suggest that there is a link between men that defend themselves against violent women and murderers.

Women are very peculiar creatures. Some are very sweet and harmless, others can be the most psychotically unstable organisms on the planet. I don't believe in that "a man should NEVER hit a women" bullshit. Im more of a "a man should hit a woman if she needs to be hit" kinda guy.

So Ray Rice essentially was in danger and needed to hit his wife?

 

[ralaw]

Gotcha... Sounded kinda like you were trying to suggest that there is a link between men that defend themselves against violent women and murderers.

Women are very peculiar creatures. Some are very sweet and harmless, others can be the most psychotically unstable organisms on the planet. I don't believe in that "a man should NEVER hit a women" bullshit. Im more of a "a man should hit a woman if she needs to be hit" kinda guy.

I've always believed it would be better to separate yourself from the situation. For a man under most circumstances it just isn't worth it.

 

[Tailback U]

So Ray Rice essentially was in danger and needed to hit his wife?

What are you talking about? I didn't mention rice in my post. I was speaking generally. In rices case, no he did not need to hit her there.

I've always believed it would be better to separate yourself from the situation. For a man under most circumstances it just isn't worth it.

You can literally say that about every situation, it's easier said than done.

 

[The Catch]

In rices case, no he did not need to hit her there.

So it's a case by case basis? Where is the line drawn? From what I see in this thread, you seem to be on the boat of it being ok to hit a woman.

 

[Tailback U]

So it's a case by case basis? Where is the line drawn? From what I see in this thread, you seem to be on the boat of it being ok to hit a woman.

Yes, it is completely case by case and yes it is ok to hit a woman in certain situations.

The line is drawn by your brain. Find one and learn how to use it.

Things aren't so black and white... A client of mine was stabbed to death by his girlfriend, guess he did the right thing by not hitting her huh?

http://m.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/SAN-JOSE-Defendant-says-victim-was-her-lover-2469965.php

SAN JOSE / Defendant says victim was her lover -- 'He was my life' / Defense says slaying was self defense or in heat of passion
John Coté | September 7, 2006
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It was an unconventional relationship, punctuated by fights and threats of suicide, before ending in death.



Now, the question facing a Santa Clara County jury is whether the killing of Silicon Valley developer and restaurateur Birk McCandless was murder.

Nan Yang was studying nursing at De Anza College and working as a hostess at a Cupertino restaurant. McCandless, nearly 30 years her senior, was her benefactor and then lover, Yang testified Wednesday in a San Jose courtroom.

"He was my life," Yang said, taking the witness stand in her own defense after being charged with murdering McCandless, 57.

Authorities found McCandless stabbed to death in his Saratoga townhome March 15, 2005, and Yang straddling a third floor balcony, repeatedly cutting herself with a knife.

At the time, she was out on bail for assaulting and bloodying McCandless with a heavy flashlight during a fight about three months earlier.

In court, Yang described a tumultuous relationship marked by his infidelity and her threats of suicide that at one point led McCandless to hide his kitchen knives.

"I wanted to die in his house," Yang said, wiping back tears as she describing writing a suicide note to her family in January 2005 before sneaking in McCandless' home to stab herself.

After thwarting her suicide attempt, McCandless promised marriage saying, "OK, this problem needs to be resolved. We'll get married." But he backed away from that statement hours later, Yang testified.

Yang, 29, faces up to life in prison if convicted of murdering McCandless. She is also charged with assaulting and battering him. In addition, she is charged with assaulting and criminally threatening a previous boyfriend, Tetsuyta Ogi of Sunnyvale, after allegedly going after him with a knife.

Yang said she started becoming involved with McCandless, a regular customer at the restaurant where she worked, after he offered to find her an attorney when she was charged with attacking Ogi.

The defense does not dispute that Yang killed McCandless, but maintains the stabbing was in self defense, or at least came amidst the heat of passion -- which could render the crime manslaughter, which carries a maximum 11-year sentence.

Yang testified for the entire court session Wednesday and is expected to return to the stand today for questioning about the night McCandless was killed and cross-examination by prosecutor James Gibbons-Shapiro.

Speaking softly, sometimes giving one- or two-word answers, Yang said she once broke a window with a high-heeled shoe to gain access to McCandless's townhome, sneaked into his gated Carmel house when he failed to call her and at least twice sneaked into his townhome complex through a hole in an electrical utility box that led to the garage.

Who even started this it's never ok to hit a woman bullshit? It definitely shouldn't be encouraged but let's use our brains here.

 

[The Catch]

Find one and learn how to use it.

Alright buddy, no need to get defensive over your need to hit a woman. We can all agree that Ray Rice had no right to do what he did, yet bringing up a case with someone who used a weapon really doesn't help your case here.

 

[ralaw]

The spirit of the saying to "never hit a woman" is meant to prevent men from just abusing women. It makes sense, as there are millions of men who abuse and intimidate just because they are more physically dominant.

 

[The Catch]

The spirit of the saying to "never hit a woman" is meant to prevent men from just abusing women. It makes sense, as there are millions of men who abuse just because they are more physically dominant.

Very true. Sure, if you have a knife then that's a game changer. But 1v1 man v woman, come on.

 

[Tailback U]

Very true. Sure, if you have a knife then that's a game changer. But 1v1 man v woman, come on.

I've never hit a woman and hopefully I never have to but there are some bad bitches out there that can turn your face into mush while you try to play patty cake with them.

Its a case by case issue and ultimately all that matters is how threatened a person feels. You can't blame someone for defending themselves if they felt threatened just because of gender, that isn't fair.

 

[RosettaStoned]

The spirit of the saying to "never hit a woman" is meant to prevent men from just abusing women. It makes sense, as there are millions of men who abuse and intimidate just because they are more physically dominant.

There are also millions of women out there who abuse and intimidate men because they know their vagina will protect them from recourse. Women commit domestic violence just as much as men, and a recent study showed that women were most likely to be seriously beaten if the physically attack first. Only a fucking idiot would attack somebody that they know for a fact will beat their ass.

 

[EmpireWF]

There are also millions of women out there who abuse and intimidate men because they know their vagina will protect them from recourse. Women commit domestic violence just as much as men, and a recent study showed that women were most likely to be seriously beaten if the physically attack first. Only a fucking idiot would attack somebody that they know for a fact will beat their ass.

So what are you saying?

What's that have to do with the women who are just with shitty guys who beat them?

 

[RosettaStoned]

So what are you saying?

Are you illiterate or retarded?

 

[bucky]

So what are you saying?

What's that have to do with the women who are just with shitty guys who beat them?

It's clear what he is saying. You don't presume a woman is the victim just because they are a woman. You need to deal in facts and hold all sides accountable for there own actions. Did we really need to spell this out? I mean, I know you are a smart guy.

 

[bucky]

Are you illiterate or retarded?

I don't think it's either. I just think he, like many others, have a preconceived belief that somewhat blinds them.

 

[albidnis]

I am sure most of you playing devils advocate here would have a different state of mind if it was your mother or your daughter. I am also sure you will say you wouldn't... :bobbyv:

 

[SethMode]

I am sure most of you playing devils advocate here would have a different state of mind if it was your mother or your daughter. I am also sure you will say you wouldn't... :bobbyv:

This is absolutely pointless and irrelevant. The second it happens to someone close to you, is the second your opinion becomes impossible to accept when discussing the situation, especially if we're trying to grasp what abuse means in general. It'd be like letting family members of someone murdered onto the jury for the person accused of the murder.

 

[John5153]

Disgraceful....makes blacks...all males look like animals..... Just a sport, should think about ban for life.......

 

[the Brain]

Disgraceful....makes blacks...all males look like animals..... Just a sport, should think about ban for life.......

Uhhhhhhh...........no it doesn't. A man's actions are a reflection on that man. Not an entire race or gender.