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Tevez will be suited up for the Community Shield come August 7th. So as of right now he is still part of the squad

He still doesn't want to be there. That also doesn't change the fact that with Kun, you're a bit over stocked up top. Nothing wrong with that, but player egos can come into play and lead to a bad atmosphere. Also as Big Papa said the way your team operates makes little sense. Rather than building a team, you just throw shit at a wall and hope it sticks.

It also doesn't help your manager's philosophy is in direct conflict with all the creative talent you have.
 
Ahhhh... Let the butthurt flow through you all.

Ahh... funny, but no. See, anyone who has been a Prem fan for more than a season or two has been through all of this before with Chelsea. Except Chelsea did it better and actually succeeded. What you would like to see as jealousy isn't. Its bemused experience at already having seen a trove of bandwagon fans jump on board to crow about how "their" club can buy all this talent. But winning and being a truly great club takes more than just money and talent. Man City may get there but how "sweet" is that going to really be for someone who just jumped on board?
 
No one is butt hurt at all. You are a team with no history, filled with insufferable twats including your plastic fan base.

I mean your team had to release a guide for all you new bandwagon fans, which sadly has been taken down because of the outright embarrassment it caused for your club.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/may/12/manchester-city-bluffers-guide

The following was written as 100% serious:

We all know we have the best fans in the world and manager Roberto Mancini is building the team our supporters deserve.

Loyalty, commitment, passion and, during the darker times, a sense of humour has been needed over the years to follow the Blues – that’s what we affectionately call City - but expectation and optimism have now been added to those qualities.

Success means we’ll be welcoming a new generation of City fans from here in England and all over the globe, too, and when our new followers come on board, they’ll be welcomed with open arms into our ‘family’.

Champions League qualification and the FA Cup Final will mean hundreds of thousands of people will adopt the Blues as their chosen side and with that in mind, here is a guide to help ‘newbies’ bluff your way through the televised games, with your mates down at the pub or actually at a game.

So long as you’ve got City in your hearts, we want your support – and if you are watching City (there’s only one City, by the way!) take on Stoke at Wembley on Saturday and you’ll be cheering us on for the first time in the new Carlos Tevez home shirt you’ve just bought on-line, this is stuff you need to know.

As they say on the evening news sports results round-up, if you don’t want to know the following - or more likely if you already know (!), look away now.

Our fans’ anthem is Blue Moon, a song written 67 years ago by Rogers and Hart and adopted in or around 1989. Though we don’t sing the whole song – just the chorus - Blue Moon echoes out when the players are need of an uplift or when we we’ve just scored.

If asked where we play our football, it’s the City of Manchester Stadium – also nicknamed Eastlands due to the area of Manchester it is in. It’s worth noting that from 1923 to 2003 we played our home games at Maine Road

If you are asked who your favourite players are from down the years – your credibility is at stake here – don’t say Francis Bell, Colin Summerbee and Yaya Dzeko though these names exists, they are combinations – have a good scan over the club website and check out who the current favourites are and who the club legends are and take notes!

And, if we score against Stoke and some more experienced Blues (ahem!) around you ask you to join in a ‘Poznan’ , don’t say ‘Sure, make it a double with ice’, simply turn your back to the screen or the pitch, put your arms around the shoulders of the people on either side and jump up and down.
ncidentally, it’s called The Poznan because City played a team called Lech Poznan earlier this season and their fans did the same dance – we just named it in their honour!

This is our first FA Cup Final since 1981, so don’t try and bluff your way through historical facts. The last trophy we won was in 1976 so again, get this right or you’ll arouse suspicion.

There may be the odd person who tries to trip you up with the terms ‘massive’ or ‘Man City’ – please ignore these are we are now accepting these words in general club usage!

Of course, in the fullness of time you’ll pick ‘The Knowledge’ and become a diehard City fan just like the rest of us. Until then, we hope the above is of some use!
 
Citeh will struggle to match what Chelsea did.

It's already been 3 full seasons of Arab monies and all they have to show for it is an FA Cup, a 3rd place finish and have crashed out of the Europa League early a couple of times.

After 3 seasons with the rubles Chelsea had 2 Premierships, a League Cup and 2 Champions League Semi Final berths.

The difference? Chelsea had Mourinho, City got the guy who was shitcanned to make way for Mourinho.

Mourinho in his first season built a team that bulldozed his way through the Premiership while Mancini after two seasons still needs to play 3 defensive midfielders to get a 1-0 victory over Stoke.
 
That guide is hilarious. And kinda proves a point.

Chelsea landed one of the premier managers in the world when they got Mourinho. He spent, but he spent smart and assembled a fantastic squad. He also had some key pieces in place when he got there - John Terry, Frank Lampard, and Joe Cole, all of whom pre-dated the Abraomovich purchase.

Manchester City gets a lot of stick from other supporters because they are buying players with no clear plan or intent. Its very very similar to watching someone play Football Manager when they have tons of money to spend. There is no regard to role or personality, no concern with the squad as a whole or a playing philosophy. They have one squad member from before the Sheik purchase (and he's not one of the better players), which says something about the quality of the squad before. And the fact that some of the first cycle of players purchased by Citeh are already wanting to leave is pretty telling too.
 
Ahh... funny, but no. See, anyone who has been a Prem fan for more than a season or two has been through all of this before with Chelsea. Except Chelsea did it better and actually succeeded. What you would like to see as jealousy isn't. Its bemused experience at already having seen a trove of bandwagon fans jump on board to crow about how "their" club can buy all this talent. But winning and being a truly great club takes more than just money and talent. Man City may get there but how "sweet" is that going to really be for someone who just jumped on board?

Good question. For me it will be just as sweet as it would be for any other club I may have arbitrarily decided to support. I started following City a few years ago, knowing full well they were pretty much just Chelsea 2.0 and nobody would like me for it. But I figured, who gives a shit, I'd be jumping on some club's bandwagon either way. If I just chose to follow Arsenal or Man U or Liverpool, it's not like I get to take pride in their history anyway. (Well I could, but I'd still be pretending.) So I figure if I'm going to be a a bloody "glory hunter" no matter what, I might as well get in on the ground floor somewhere.

And my original comment was purely a joke, I don't think anyone is jealous of City. The hatred is probably justified, but I am not ashamed to admit I'm a dirty bandwagoner for a historically shitty club that owes its current international relevance almost solely to a billionaire. I'm fine with nobody respecting City or their fans, be them old or new. They're still my squad.

I don't get how an American jumping on the City bandwagon is somehow worse than jumping on that of the more traditional clubs. Sure, they spend a ton of money and have no real history of success. But why does it matter? Should I really be basing who I cheer for in 2011 on who was good in 1960 or 1980 or 1990? I have only been following the Prem for 4 or 5 years and at first I never found a connection with any one EPL team. Then I fell in love with City through a video game. We all have our reasons.
 
I chose my team because of its over the top, ridiculously dedicated fan base. I like watching soccer but for me a lot of the fun is because the fans are more into the game then any other sport in the world.

I think if you consider yourself a true fan and actually take some time to learn about the club and watch the matches, you can take pride in its history.

Also I dont really recall all this Man City support from you over the past few years.
 
I chose my team because of its over the top, ridiculously dedicated fan base. I like watching soccer but for me a lot of the fun is because the fans are more into the game then any other sport in the world.

I think if you consider yourself a true fan and actually take some time to learn about the club and watch the matches, you can take pride in its history.

Also I dont really recall all this Man City support from you over the past few years.

I did not really post in this thread until this season. I'd say this was probably my second full year of actively following them/waking up early to watch the games/etc.

No offense, but I've always felt like Yanks who support Arsenal or Liverpool come across as having a hipster-esque "I'm cooler than you because my club is really cool" mentality. I'd say they'd be well served to admit they are bandwagoners as well and stop looking down on other fans of other clubs.
 
Being so realistic and honest about why a team is chosen seems rare. We all gotta start somewhere. And I'd rather have someone support Citeh than not bother with the game. The issue most fans - and even a lot of long-time City fans, it seems - have with the new Citeh fans is the degree of arrogance and lack of respect for the history. Not saying that's true of any new fan, but its true of more than a few.

That kind of thing is aggravating in any facet of life. Whether its a friend or co-worker or random acquaintance proclaiming their love and support of whatever team, then proving to know nothing about them, or someone declaring they are a huge fan of whatever band, then having almost zero club about anything but their newest work... Its an annoyance. Maybe it shouldn't be, but it is.
 
I did not really post in this thread until this season. I'd say this is probably my second full year of actively following them.

No offense, but I've always felt like Yanks who support Arsenal or Liverpool come across as having a hipster-esque "I'm cooler than you because my club is really cool" mentality.

Really? Yanks? Please stop.

There hasn't been very much that has been cool about Liverpool the past couple years. I don't think I'm "cooler" because I like Liverpool. However their is no denying we are a pretty damn cool club.
 
Being so realistic and honest about why a team is chosen seems rare. We all gotta start somewhere. And I'd rather have someone support Citeh than not bother with the game. The issue most fans - and even a lot of long-time City fans, it seems - have with the new Citeh fans is the degree of arrogance and lack of respect for the history. Not saying that's true of any new fan, but its true of more than a few.

That kind of thing is aggravating in any facet of life. Whether its a friend or co-worker or random acquaintance proclaiming their love and support of whatever team, then proving to know nothing about them, or someone declaring they are a huge fan of whatever band, then having almost zero club about anything but their newest work... Its an annoyance. Maybe it shouldn't be, but it is.

True. Just so we're clear, I wasn't trying to be THAT GUY who is obnoxiously talking about "his team". I was purely joking with my arrogance in the "butthurt" post and trying to be that caricature of a douche bag fan.

I am really excited about the prospect of Kun signing though, because he's one of my favorite players. If I'm premature in my excitement, so be it, but if he does make it to Eastlands (swear I knew this before I read the fan guide) I'll be on cloud 9 for as long as he's there.

Really? Yanks? Please stop.

There hasn't been very much that has been cool about Liverpool the past couple years. I don't think I'm "cooler" because I like Liverpool. However their is no denying we are a pretty damn cool club.

Is Yank not a term for an American soccer fan? Is there a fan guide somewhere I can consult?

And yeah, I can't explain but I always felt like Liverpool and Arsenal were the "trendy" clubs that Americans gravitated towards, as if supporting Man U was beneath them. Kind of like how Red Sox fans think they are more noble than Yankees fans when in actuality the rest of baseball thinks they can both fuck off. If my assessment is off base, so be it, but that's my perception. It could just be I know a lot of douches who happened to be Arsenal or Liverpool fans. But complaining about another club's spending while also supporting one of the four or five richest clubs in the league is having your cake and eating it too, no?
 
True. Just so we're clear, I wasn't trying to be THAT GUY who is obnoxiously talking about "his team". I was purely joking with my arrogance in the "butthurt" post and trying to be that caricature of a douche bag fan.

Fair enough.

There are a ton of THAT GUY's around at this point. True enough for every top club, but Man City is attracting a ton of them right now.
 
True. Just so we're clear, I wasn't trying to be THAT GUY who is obnoxiously talking about "his team". I was purely joking with my arrogance in the "butthurt" post and trying to be that caricature of a douche bag fan.

I am really excited about the prospect of Kun signing though, because he's one of my favorite players. If I'm premature in my excitement, so be it, but if he does make it to Eastlands (swear I knew this before I read the fan guide) I'll be on cloud 9 for as long as he's there.



Is Yank not a term for an American soccer fan? Is there a fan guide somewhere I can consult?

And yeah, I can't explain but I always felt like Liverpool and Arsenal were the "trendy" clubs that Americans gravitated towards, as if supporting Man U was beneath them. Kind of like how Red Sox fans think they are more noble than Yankees fans when in actuality the rest of baseball thinks they can both fuck off. If my assessment is off base, so be it, but that's my perception. It could just be I know a lot of douches who happened to be Arsenal or Liverpool fans. But complaining about a club spending and also supporting one of the four or five richest clubs is having your cake and eating it too, no?

Yank just means American and I don't think it has a soccer connotation too it. Seeing as you live in America, you wouldn't call another American a Yank.

Ah fuck it, we are way cooler than you Man Shitty fans.

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Question, why does it seem that the only teams you considered following were 'Big 6' clubs? There are 20 teams in the Premier League you know, and following each of them is rather easy. On this board alone with have 3 Newcastle fans, an Everton fan, a Fulham fan apparently and a dirty dirty Sunderland fan.

While I obviously don't get the same attention from sites like the Guardian and such, it just makes it a bit more fun to go find an NUFC board I enjoy reading. Plus, I get to hate everyone who posts in to the F365 mailbox equally.

'Whaaaa, why doesn't anyone give Liverpool the respect they deserve, this is our year!'
'Whaaa, there is such a Man United bias, just because we are the best doesn't mean the refs favour us!
'Whaaa, Arsene isn't spending all the millions our supremely well run team brings in and we have to suffer to third place every year!'
'Whaaa, our billionaire Russian only cares enough to spend £75 million. Real Madrid spent twice that!'
'Whaaa, everyone hates us because we are covered in dirty oil money and bought our way in to the Champions League'
'Whaaa, Harry Redknaap is a giant twat'

Only one of those is a real complaint (the Redknaap one, fuck him in the face)

Come on down to a club where you see every single one of your best players get sold and they are actively trying to turn themselves in to a Triple A baseball team. At least Sunderland fans get the enjoyment of watching Steve Bruce fuck up 38 different signings every year.
 
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