The Trade Deadline Thread

[nflman2033]

Apparently there was a possibility of the Reds and Blue Jays swapping Votto and Bautista. Very interesting

http://cincinnati.com/blogs/reds/

that would be terrible

 

[Kuzzy Powers]

I love Bautista but it would be pretty cool to get the home-town boy. HIGHLY doubt this has any legs tho.

 

[Rudi]

It makes sense on the Reds part. Votto will probably walk in 2013 and that would open up Alonso to play 1st. That being said, theres no way this will ever happen lol

 

[Goober]

this is perfect for the phillies. Pence starts and then next season you have him and Brown on the corners as Ibanez is FA

Okay, you're like the third person to tell me this, so I took a breath before thinking about a response.

Singleton and Cosart are towards the bottom of BA's Top 50 list. 41 and 43 respectively.

Pence may be having a lucky year, but he's still good. He's put up back to back season of .280+ 25homer seasons. He's hitting for better average, but less power. He's got more doubles than normal, but fewer homers. You could argue that he's not hitting the ball well.

Either way, the guy was 28, plays decent right field, hits well and for power and was under team control.

And they got two single A guys who are supposed to be good in three years and a guy who MIGHT become a number 5 starter and could PROBABLY become a decent bullpen arm? Oh and they had to pay money too? What am I missing? Seems like an awful lot of potential, but nothing that was even remotely close to certain or even probable.

I dunno. I wish I knew what other teams were offering.


So they traded a very good player for another very good player? I mean, why bother?

This. I really think the Astros should have gotten more out of this deal. The Giants gave up Zack Wheeler for 2 months of Beltran. Surely the Astros could have gotten a little more for TWO years of Pence?

If the Astros had gotten Dom Brown, I would have agreed with you, but under the circumstances, I think that Ed Wade needs another cheesesteak named after him.

Singleton is a top 30 prospect. Cosart is top 50. Zeid isn't special, but he has a chance to be a 4/5 starter in the majors, otherwise he'll be a usefull bullpen arm, either way he'll be in the majors by the end of 2012.

Pence isn't a great player. He's a good player, who has been extremely lucky this year. The Astros sold high, and got a nice return.

So how about that?

 

[Goober]

Singleton is a top 30 prospect. Cosart is top 50. Zeid isn't special, but he has a chance to be a 4/5 starter in the majors, otherwise he'll be a usefull bullpen arm, either way he'll be in the majors by the end of 2012.

Pence isn't a great player. He's a good player, who has been extremely lucky this year. The Astros sold high, and got a nice return.

Im fine with this, I just wanted for Dom to stay a Phillie and Ruben made that happen

We call it an "Ed Wade" here in Philadelphia. I'm surprised it isn't a variation of a cheesesteak at this point.

I disagree. Dom Brown is not ready to be an every day right fielder on a playoff contender, we needed a player like Pence to take over for him this year and it's a guarantee that he will produce more in this lineup. I don't think anyone is expecting MVP type numbers, but he is a guy who can add some pop to the lineup and adding a right handed bat was crucial for us. Also I think working with Charlie is going to help Pence out a bit with his approach.

Down the road, Singleton is going to be a very good player. I think he has a chance to his .280 and hit 30 HR's in his prime, but the Phillies were ok with trading him because they drafted almost his clone in the first round with Larry Greene. Cosart has a very unorthodox delivery which could result in him seeing a few injuries in his career, right now he is struggling in A ball, but he does have filthy stuff and down the road could be a number 2 guy in the rotation. The Phillies are obviously happy enough with how May, Colvin and Biddle are progressing and weren't too worried about losing Cosart. The Astros farm is so thin that this is a great move for them, and hopefully both players work out but on the other hand I don't see us being upset with Pence.

It's a great deal for both sides I think, both teams selling high on the players they need to sell high on at this time.

:wildthing:

 

[SethMode]

:wildthing:

So we were excited about it when it happened, and Ed Wade has a history of giving too much up for too little to the Phillies. You win! It's a shame no one has offered you a GM job, people here wouldn't have to listen to you being a disagreeable cunt as often as we do.

Until either prospect does anything, I still think the Phillies won at the time, because the trade was made in an effort to win a WS that year. Sucks that they didn't, but they went for it.

 

[Goober]

So Pence's trade value didn't go down much at all over the last year, right guys?

 

[Yawkey Way]

I just saw those Erik Bedard 2nd half projections, then went back and looked at Erik Bedards real numbers.

Fuck your projections.

 

[Chrispy]

Ken_Rosenthal
Official: Sanchez deal to #Pirates is done.

 

[NAHSTE]

If the Reds got Ubaldo that would be huge. He is the top of the line Ace pitcher we need. I just don't wanna give up Leake for him. I could deal with Wood or Homer, preferably Wood tho.

Some gems in this thread.

:tiptoe:

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

For the record, I was against trading for Ubaldo unless it was centered around Travis Wood.

Kind of creepy that I suggested nearly an identical package for James Shields that the Reds ultimately ended up trading for Latos.

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

I love to go back and read the potentially retarded shit I've said over the years...but I wasn't so bad in this thread.

-We never got to see how Yonder would hold up in the OF at the major league level.
-Eventually, the Phillies did trade Singleton for Hunter Pence and it still holds up as a good deal for Houston. WIN.
-Ian Desmond actually did turn out ok. WIN.
-I'd still trade Mesoraco and Heisey for Ubaldo. And, as I said, most of the players, even the A-prospects traded would be bums. Ubaldo was traded for Drew Pomeranz (an A-prospect at the time) and bums...the net results...bums. WIN.
-The Mets needed to trade anyone with a pulse, including Reyes...despite Empire's best efforts to convince me they were only 5 games out...they failed to make the playoffs, got nothing for Reyes and still suck. WIN.

Not bad.

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

Some gems in this thread.

:tiptoe:

I dunno, my man...you saying Ian Desmond is worse than Jason Bartlett, Ryan Theriot, and Yuni Betancourt in this thread was purty good. Are any of those guys on a major league roster?

 

[EmpireWF]

lol larry, Alderson must've been listening...with the exception of Wright, he did scrap the whole team.

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

lol larry, Alderson must've been listening...with the exception of Wright, he did scrap the whole team.

But didn't get anything for some players.

K-Rod, Reyes, Bay...I would have taken a NY-Penn League veteran and called it a win. Still got Santana's ridiculous contract and won't get anything for him.

It was silly for them not to trade Reyes. You could have yielded, at minimum, a B-prospect or two just for the rental (fuck, maybe one of them would have been starting in the OF by now). Everyone should have know that he was going to priced out of the Mets range once he hit the open market. Why they held on to him I'll never know and will simply blame incompetence.

Kudos though for turning Beltran into Wheeler. I think that ended up being a win for both teams. Mets got a potential stud SP and Beltran has been pretty good since...even though he was just a rental.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

-We never got to see how Yonder would hold up in the OF at the major league level.

-I'd still trade Mesoraco and Heisey for Ubaldo. And, as I said, most of the players, even the A-prospects traded would be bums. Ubaldo was traded for Drew Pomeranz (an A-prospect at the time) and bums...the net results...bums. WIN.

Alonso flopped around in LF a few times in 2011, and that was that.

Also, I wouldn't trade Heisey for Ubaldo straight up, let alone with Mesoraco. Ubaldo has a 5.00 ERA since going to Cleveland, an adjusted ERA in the 70's, and walked almost 5.0 per 9 last season. He's fucking terrible. I'd rather have Travis Wood right now, too. And Wood has never gotten better since this thread.

 

[LiquidLarry2GhostWF]

Alonso flopped around in LF a few times in 2011, and that was that.

Also, I wouldn't trade Heisey for Ubaldo straight up, let alone with Mesoraco. Ubaldo has a 5.00 ERA since going to Cleveland, an adjusted ERA in the 70's, and walked almost 5.0 per 9 last season. He's fucking terrible. I'd rather have Travis Wood right now, too. And Wood has never gotten better since this thread.

No doubt he is fucking terrible.

But Mesoraco and Heisey are nothing special. Perhaps that deal is push at best. But as I stated, it was a deal destined to be filled with bums. Perhaps Ubaldo fares better if he stays in the NL...I don't know, but no one from that deal or any proposed deal has yet to be anything more than fodder.

 

[Goober]

Highway robbery

I'll give Ed Wade credit. He got a nice return. Selling high ftw.

yeah, I obviously meant highway robbery the other way...

Im fine with this, I just wanted for Dom to stay a Phillie and Ruben made that happen

:wtf3: