This lame trend...(long rant)

[Wildcard]

Why are a bunch of people basing their views and opinions on Quarterbacks solely off playoff wins?

Now before you ask yourself "wTF LuLz is this guy retarded PLAYOFF WINZ OR BUST!!111!!!"

I'm not dumb. Playoff wins are extremely important in order to get to the Super Bowl.

However I think 99% of this forum is taking this topic to the extreme.

The NFL is a team sport with 53 people on every team. Each team is broken down into 3 separate squads. There is Offense, Defense, and Special Teams.

If 2 of those 3 squads are not playing well. That team is probably going to lose.

I'm going to keep typing, correct me if I'm wrong.

Now before I say what I'm about to say, I'd like to let everyone know I'm not a Colts lover, or Bears lover, or Saints lover, and I have no bias towards any team or player I am about to mention.

I just saw a post that to me, made it sound like that poster was mildly retarded.

It dealt with with one person basically saying Drew Brees sucks, and it said something similar to "maybe I'll consider Brees good when he wins one more playoff game"

Now what the fuck is that supposed to mean? lol. Seriously guys if you're letting 1 pesky Wildcard Round Playoff victory alter how good you think one player is you have to be a moron.

Drew Brees is definitely a top 5 Quarterback, and he has proved it throughout his career in the NFL.

Yeah he may have never won a Super Bowl but he's never had a team worthy of even sniffing the Lombardi Trophy. If the Saints even come close to it happening people should realize it's because he brought us there. Lets not shit on him for giving us hopes, and not pull through.

I guess my point is that it takes 53 people to win a game. Not 1 guy.

For instance Peyton Manning. For his first 7 years in the NFL he didn't win in the Playoffs. However there was no doubt in anyones mind that for those same 7 years he was either the best, or second best Quarterback in the league. Now when Peyton got over the hump of finally winning in the playoffs it wasn't because he instantly got better. It was because the rest of his team played better. Freeney, Brock, and Mathis with an outstanding pass rush. Gary Brackett intercepting Tom Brady in the AFC Championship. Peyton finally had a supporting cast, and the Colts got over the hump.

Also if it wasn't for their defense forcing a fumble, and Mike Vanderjagt missing a field goal in the AFC Championship against the Steelers. Peyton could have won another Super Bowl against the Seahawks.

It's a team effort. You can't solely blame one person for losing a game unless...

They pull a Rex Grossman, and throw INT after INT after INT.

Even then it's still a team effort because Sexy Rexy would have never even sniffed the Playoffs if it wasn't for Devin Hester and the Special Teams unit taking 6 TDs back that year, along with one of the best defenses of the decade.

Could Eli Manning have a ring on his finger if it wasn't for Umenyiora, Tuck, Robbins, and that amazing pass rush?

Could Trent Dilfer, or Brad Johnson have rings on their fingers if it wasn't for their defenses?

Are you people who are so wrapped up in this "playoff win" ranking system all believers that Kerry Collins is better than Aaron Rodgers because he has more playoff wins?

Truthfully what's the difference between losing in the AFC Championship game, and losing in the Wildcard round? There is no difference(except for a better draft pick). Everyones goal is to win a Super Bowl, and 31 Quarterbacks fail every year.

I guess the moral of my rant is that some people need to get a fucking clue.

And never take your good Quarterback for granted. With a little help this may be his year.

 

[ChemTheThriller]

in before lol didn't read.

 

[KoRnStARr]

lame trend?

the hell are you saying? that's when the most pressure on the line to win is, and what seperates the good from the great.

regular season stats can only get you so far. This is also HUGE in the criteria of HOF voting, and with good reason.

 

[NAHSTE]

How is this a trend? Joe Montana is considered the best QB of all time, because he got it done in the Super Bowl.

You've always had to win playoff games to be considered a good QB. See Bradshaw, Terry or Namath, Joe for examples of playoff wins whitewashing everything else about a player's career.

Yes, Football is a team sport, and it is the QBs job is to guide that team to victory. If the team wins, he gets the credit. To be considered a good QB, I think you have to have on field success. Especially in the playoffs. This is nothing new.

 

[Archer]

Gary Brackett intercepting Tom Brady in the AFC Championship - If you are talking about the game sealing INT on the last drive (where NE needed a TD) it was Marlin Jackson

 

[ralaw]

Good post Wildcard.

I had a similar thread at MM that never really stirred up any conversation. You can preach this all day and people won't understand, because fans tie playoffs wins and Superbowls with QB success. I for one don't put the premium on superbowls or playoff wins that others do, but I do believe if a player has playoff success and Superbowl wins it should come into play (a part of the pie); however, a player shouldn't be downgrade simply because their team failed to win a game. There is so much that goes into winning in the playoffs, so to put it all on the QB is insane, but people do it anyways. Now, I will say I do like to see QB's making big plays in big moments (ala Big Ben) and that should come into play, but not be the deciding factor.

 

[steeljake]

Why are a bunch of people basing their views and opinions on Quarterbacks solely off playoff wins?

Now before you ask yourself "wTF LuLz is this guy retarded PLAYOFF WINZ OR BUST!!111!!!"

I'm not dumb. Playoff wins are extremely important in order to get to the Super Bowl.

However I think 99% of this forum is taking this topic to the extreme.

The NFL is a team sport with 53 people on every team. Each team is broken down into 3 separate squads. There is Offense, Defense, and Special Teams.

If 2 of those 3 squads are not playing well. That team is probably going to lose.

I'm going to keep typing, correct me if I'm wrong.

Now before I say what I'm about to say, I'd like to let everyone know I'm not a Colts lover, or Bears lover, or Saints lover, and I have no bias towards any team or player I am about to mention.

I just saw a post that to me, made it sound like that poster was mildly retarded.

It dealt with with one person basically saying Drew Brees sucks, and it said something similar to "maybe I'll consider Brees good when he wins one more playoff game"

Now what the fuck is that supposed to mean? lol. Seriously guys if you're letting 1 pesky Wildcard Round Playoff victory alter how good you think one player is you have to be a moron.

Drew Brees is definitely a top 5 Quarterback, and he has proved it throughout his career in the NFL.

Yeah he may have never won a Super Bowl but he's never had a team worthy of even sniffing the Lombardi Trophy. If the Saints even come close to it happening people should realize it's because he brought us there. Lets not shit on him for giving us hopes, and not pull through.

I guess my point is that it takes 53 people to win a game. Not 1 guy.

For instance Peyton Manning. For his first 7 years in the NFL he didn't win in the Playoffs. However there was no doubt in anyones mind that for those same 7 years he was either the best, or second best Quarterback in the league. Now when Peyton got over the hump of finally winning in the playoffs it wasn't because he instantly got better. It was because the rest of his team played better. Freeney, Brock, and Mathis with an outstanding pass rush. Gary Brackett intercepting Tom Brady in the AFC Championship. Peyton finally had a supporting cast, and the Colts got over the hump.

Also if it wasn't for their defense forcing a fumble, and Mike Vanderjagt missing a field goal in the AFC Championship against the Steelers. Peyton could have won another Super Bowl against the Seahawks.

It's a team effort. You can't solely blame one person for losing a game unless...

They pull a Rex Grossman, and throw INT after INT after INT.

Even then it's still a team effort because Sexy Rexy would have never even sniffed the Playoffs if it wasn't for Devin Hester and the Special Teams unit taking 6 TDs back that year, along with one of the best defenses of the decade.

Could Eli Manning have a ring on his finger if it wasn't for Umenyiora, Tuck, Robbins, and that amazing pass rush?

Could Trent Dilfer, or Brad Johnson have rings on their fingers if it wasn't for their defenses?

Are you people who are so wrapped up in this "playoff win" ranking system all believers that Kerry Collins is better than Aaron Rodgers because he has more playoff wins?

Truthfully what's the difference between losing in the AFC Championship game, and losing in the Wildcard round? There is no difference(except for a better draft pick). Everyones goal is to win a Super Bowl, and 31 Quarterbacks fail every year.

I guess the moral of my rant is that some people need to get a fucking clue.

And never take your good Quarterback for granted. With a little help this may be his year.

you would have never wrote any of this if your boy tony homo had a playoff win.

 

[steeljake]

judging quarter backs by their post season success is not lame, it is logical and I wouldnt expect a cry baby cowboys homer to understand that.

 

[NAHSTE]

What is funny is that without postseason wins Troy Aikman wouldn't be as highly regarded, so Cowboys fans have no choice but to acknowledge its importance.


Tony ROFLmo

 

[Liquidrob]

John Elway was one of the greatest QBs to ever play even with going 0-3 in the super bowl, when he had a run game and a better team he won 2 in a row, he didnt become a better QB in those 2 super bowls, he just had a better team

 

[Derrville]

What is funny is that without postseason wins Troy Aikman wouldn't be as highly regarded, so Cowboys fans have no choice but to acknowledge its importance.


Tony ROFLmo

Right, he just won more regular season games than anyone in any decade untill Tom Brady. Nice logic.

Go cry about Vick again.

 

[Nukleopatra]

lol @ lame trend.

''And never take your good Quarterback for granted. With a little help this may be his year. ''

Cincinnati's defense tried to help, but they have an incompetent fucktard that simply can't get it done.

Stats are for losers.

 

[Nukleopatra]

It's a team effort. You can't solely blame one person for losing a game unless...

They pull a Rex Grossman, and throw INT after INT after INT.

2008.. New Orleans has a chance to make a divisional run against Atlanta - Brees 3 picks, loss.

2008... New Orleans can still make the playoffs, but they need to start by beating Tampa Bay, when Drew Brees throws two 4th quarter interceptions, loss.

2008 - Vs. Chicago.. Playoffs are still a possibility - Drew Brees 2 Interceptions, loss.

I have a list full of fuck ups by Drew Brees which caused his team to lose.

As for Aaron Rodgers... Has he been in the NFL for 7 season, with two teams, with a single playoff victory? No. So, shut the fuck up. Stupid example to try backing up your lame ass theory.

You opened up a whole new way for me to view the NFL, Wild. I think I might be the type of fan you are, the kind that cheers ''FUCK YES, WE JUST LOST!'' ''HOT DAMN, WHAT A NICE INTERCEPTION THROW.''

Hell, man, too bad you weren't in charge back when Ryan Leaf was drafted, he'd still be playing in the NFL.

LOLGASOL.

 

[Goober]

John Elway was one of the greatest QBs to ever play even with going 0-3 in the super bowl, when he had a run game and a better team he won 2 in a row, he didnt become a better QB in those 2 super bowls, he just had a better team

Despite an 0-3 Super Bowl record, John Elway still had a winning record in the playoffs despite, a clusterfuck of shit playing around him.

 

[Champ]

Dan Marino is the best QB of all time.

 

[Nukleopatra]

Despite an 0-3 Super Bowl record, John Elway still had a winning record in the playoffs despite, a clusterfuck of shit playing around him.

These are the same assholes that will compare Drew Brees to Dan Marino, simply because Marino didn't win a superbowl.. Yet completely forget how many playoff games Marino has played in, and half of those were victories.

The original post is a complete clusterfuck, when he made the Rex Grossman comment, then followed it up by saying Drew Brees is a top 5 NFL quarterback. Do you know why people ''thank'' him? Because they don't realize how many mistakes Drew Brees has made, to fuck over his team.. If I listed them, most people would be like ''Damn, I didn't know that.''

Like that dumbfuck from ESPN Brian Kenny, who listed Brees as his top 5, then I sent him a nice, well written list of what a fuck up Brees is.. His response, of course - ''I didn't know that.. If this is true, nice job.''

Yeah. ''Nice job.'' ESPN might as well pay me, I actually do fucking research.

Nice job, Lahey. Warner fucked up the previous superbowl, too. Notice the bolded text, idiot?

 

[Derrville]

2008.. New Orleans has a chance to make the playoffs if they can beat Atlanta - Brees picked, loss.

2008... New Orleans can still make the playoffs, if they beat Tampa Bay, when Drew Brees throws two 4th quarter interceptions, loss.

I have a list full of fuck ups by Drew Brees which caused his team to lose.

As for Aaron Rodgers... Has he been in the NFL for 7 season, with two teams, with a single playoff victory? No. So, shut the fuck up. Stupid example to try backing up your lame ass theory.

You opened up a whole new way for me to view the NFL, Wild. I think I might be the type of fan you are, the kind that cheers ''FUCK YES, WE JUST LOST!'' ''HOT DAMN, WHAT A NICE INTERCEPTION THROW.'' Hell, man, too bad you weren't in charge back when Ryan Leaf was drafted, he'd still be playing in the NFL.

LOLGASOL.

EDIT: NVM

 

[Derrville]

Marino 8-10 in the playoffs so a little less than half.

 

[Goober]

Also if it wasn't for their defense forcing a fumble, and Mike Vanderjagt missing a field goal in the AFC Championship against the Steelers. Peyton could have won another Super Bowl against the Seahawks.

What imaginary NFL season did this take place in? It's good to see you have the football knowledge of a retarded chicken who eats steroids all day until eventually becoming kentucy fried chicken.

 

[Nukleopatra]

:youmad:


Catching feelings?

I love this shit, man.

I'm pumped about this season.