This weekend. All the haters can suck it.

[stevsta]

Proving again what selective memory and hatred will do.

I cant fuckin stand Brett Favre. I hate him with a passion.

But anyone thinking he isnt one of the greatest ever , is a "longevity" player , or anything else is downright retarded.

You wanna talk about more with less ?
Brett Favre pwning Steve Young in H2H matchups with far inferior teams and winning 3 mvp awards is "more with less".

Did he decline ? pfft what player going 15+ years doesnt significantly decline. Every player has there prime.
At a time with Marino/Elway/Aikman/Young Favre managed to win 3 mvps and a SB ring.
Greatness was established , longevity comes next. Longevity doesnt erase greatness it enhances it.
This isnt Art Monk , Vinny Tesaverde and Bledsoe. These are MVP all time great players with all time records and SB rings who played many years past there prime.
You guys act like there were middle of the pack guys who just happened to stick around.

Brett Favre was greatness. Like it or not. You musta missed the 90s.

I hate brett favre but I dont dare leave him out of the top 5 I just dont have him at #1 or #2 just like emmit smith

 

[KINGOFOOTBALL]

I hate brett favre but I dont dare leave him out of the top 5 I just dont have him at #1 or #2 just like emmit smith

Fair enough.
Problem is this.

Theres next to ZERO ground to say that between Barry/Payton/Emmitt there was any sizable gap.

Jim Brown is the only guy in that group that can say he has any distance with the others.

What on earth are you gonna argue ?
Surrounding talent holding you back ? Payton>Barry
Records ? Smith>Payton
Dominance ? 3 way tie
Highlights ? Barry>Payton/Smith
Memorable/Heroic efforts ? Smith/Payton> Sanders
Pure running ? Sanders > Payton/Smith
Overall Football skills >Smith/Payton> Sanders


Its rock paper scissors with those guys. All 3 have airtight cases. One over the other is by the slimmest of hairs. Any of them at 20 yrs old again drafted into this league again would dominate all over again.
Fuck.. field turf + nickel defenses + lax rules = all 3 having a field day.

Take a look back at page 1.
NOONE said Emmit Smith GOAT.


Aso/TB ((no coincidence raider fans)) were the ones arguing with themselves about who the greatest was.

 

[stevsta]

Fair enough.
Problem is this.

Theres next to ZERO ground to say that between Barry/Payton/Emmitt there was any sizable gap.

Jim Brown is the only guy in that group that can say he has any distance with the others.

What on earth are you gonna argue ?
Surrounding talent holding you back ? Payton>Barry
Records ? Smith>Payton
Dominance ? 3 way tie
Highlights ? Barry>Payton/Smith
Memorable/Heroic efforts ? Smith/Payton> Sanders
Pure running ? Sanders > Payton/Smith
Overall Football skills >Smith/Payton> Sanders


Its rock paper scissors with those guys. All 3 have airtight cases. One over the other is by the slimmest of hairs. Any of them at 20 yrs old again drafted into this league again would dominate all over again.
Fuck.. field turf + nickel defenses + lax rules = all 3 having a field day.

Take a look back at page 1.
NOONE said Emmit Smith GOAT.


Aso/TB ((no coincidence raider fans)) were the ones arguing with themselves about who the greatest was.

ramsjackson was putting emmit as the best of the best I was mainly telling him why not a lot of people hold smith as #1 and with payton watching him run on the old tapes is just as mesmerizing as watching brown run he ran with such style and grace when he touched the ball I instantly thought something amazing was bound to happen (of course the videos were always snippets of his games and his great plays but still :shifty

 

[bucky]

I've never understood the rational behind the argument of "he played with a great O-line, QB, WR, coach, etc" as a way to downgrade a player. Yes, Smith played with a great offensive line, but he also end up being the leagues all-time leading rusher, so in the end the argument could be made that he worked with what he had and maximized it. What more could he have done? Asked to be traded to a lesser team?

It's almost as if a player who plays with other great players is automatically taken out of consideration as an all-time great, yet we conveniently ignore that rule when looking at a guy like Montana. As much as Smith was a product of the system he also was an integral part of the system. I don't think Smith is the GOAT, but he's obviously in the discussion for the all-time greats and certainly earned every accolade he's ever received.......far from overrated.

When people say Smith and GOAT, that's over-rated. He deserves accolades. Great running back that helped his team win championships. But not GOAT.

Walter Payton, Jim Brown
Barry Sanders

And Smith is somewhere after this. Not sure exactly where I would put him. That is in no way putting Smith down, just being realistic.

 

[bucky]

1.Jim Brown

2.aEmmitt Smith
2.bWalter Payton
2.cBarry Sanders

Anyone having a top 4 list without one of those guys is delusional.

You're top 4 list is wrong. Walter Payton...Much greater than Emmit Smith.
Emmit Smith is also behind Barry Sanders.

 

[bucky]

I cant fuckin stand Brett Favre. I hate him with a passion.

But anyone thinking he isnt one of the greatest ever , is a "longevity" player , or anything else is downright retarded.

You wanna talk about more with less ?
Brett Favre pwning Steve Young in H2H matchups with far inferior teams and winning 3 mvp awards is "more with less".

Did he decline ? pfft what player going 15+ years doesnt significantly decline. Every player has there prime.
At a time with Marino/Elway/Aikman/Young Favre managed to win 3 mvps and a SB ring.

Brett Favre was greatness. Like it or not. You musta missed the 90s.

I didn't miss the 90's. I loved having Brett on our GB Packers. But Brett was more "Regular Season" Greatness. He really was average in the playoffs. And I watched every single game.

Sorry, regular season stats don't define Greatness to me. Favre had far to many horrible endings to playoff games or just horrible playoff games for him to be in a GOAT conversation.

Favre is really the definition of "Regular Season" stats don't mean everything.

 

[bucky]

I hate brett favre but I dont dare leave him out of the top 5 I just dont have him at #1 or #2 just like emmit smith

I'm not sure I even have Brett in the Top 5.

Brett's maybe the second best QB in Packer History.

 

[bucky]

Fair enough.
Problem is this.

Theres next to ZERO ground to say that between Barry/Payton/Emmitt there was any sizable gap.

Its rock paper scissors with those guys. All 3 have airtight cases. One over the other is by the slimmest of hairs.

Sorry, but this is just flat wrong. Payton, who I watched play for his entire career. Not every game, cause we didn't get every Bears game in Wisconsin, but enough to see a big difference between he and Emmit.

Payton did EVERYTHING with excellence. He was both a GREAT power and speed back. He was a great receive. He was a great blocker and blitz pick up guys. He was great out in open space. He was great at the goal line. He was great with short yardage. He was great running up the middle. He was great running wide. And he did do it with O-lines that were not as good.

Did you miss the 70's and 80's?

 

[longhornfan]

Back to back to back to back to back posts. That must be a record.

 

[bucky]

Back to back to back to back to back posts. That must be a record.

That's what I get for coming late to the party.

 

[KINGOFOOTBALL]

When people say Smith and GOAT, that's over-rated. He deserves accolades. Great running back that helped his team win championships. But not GOAT.

Walter Payton, Jim Brown
Barry Sanders

And Smith is somewhere after this. Not sure exactly where I would put him. That is in no way putting Smith down, just being realistic.

.

OJ ? Sayers ? Dickerson ? Faulk ? Campbell whom are you putting ahead of Smith ?
The only other backs who can compare I mentioned and re-iterated how slim the margin was.


Re-order it anyway you want. There is no gap. Just preference.

You're top 4 list is wrong. Walter Payton...Much greater than Emmit Smith.
Emmit Smith is also behind Barry Sanders.

Already covered this.

I didn't miss the 90's. I loved having Brett on our GB Packers. But Brett was more "Regular Season" Greatness. He really was average in the playoffs. And I watched every single game.

Sorry, regular season stats don't define Greatness to me. Favre had far to many horrible endings to playoff games or just horrible playoff games for him to be in a GOAT conversation.

Favre is really the definition of "Regular Season" stats don't mean everything.

So what on gods green earth is your argument for Sanders>Smith ???

None of the others mentioned can hold a candle to Emmitt for big game/pressure performances.

Barrys "surrounding talent" was good enough to get him all those yards in the regular season but in 6 playoff games on 5 playoff teams ((gee what an awful team))
Barry went over 70 yards ONE time and had ONE TD total.

Yet you want keep Favre out of top 5 because of Postseason blunders ??
How do you do any worse than 13 carries for -1 yards in a 4 point loss ?? Thats the definition of choking.


Talk about selective stat picking.

Sorry, but this is just flat wrong. Payton, who I watched play for his entire career. Not every game, cause we didn't get every Bears game in Wisconsin, but enough to see a big difference between he and Emmit.

Payton did EVERYTHING with excellence. He was both a GREAT power and speed back. He was a great receive. He was a great blocker and blitz pick up guys. He was great out in open space. He was great at the goal line. He was great with short yardage. He was great running up the middle. He was great running wide. And he did do it with O-lines that were not as good.

Did you miss the 70's and 80's?

You realize you could plug Emmitts name in there and it would sound the same right ?
Once again I have no issue with Payton>Smith. None.
Payton was a mans man. A pure football player. All the things you mentioned. Never was he a detriment to his team. Even in playoff losses he performed very well and they didnt lose because he failed to live up to his end.
Having not been able to see most of his games Ill give the benefit of the doubt to those who watched him and hold him in that regard.

The same cant be said for Barry. Like it or not his style failed too many times to elevate his team when they needed it most. Read the article I posted again. These are great GMs and coaches pointing that out. Ive watched more than enough Lions games to know things werent as terrible as people want to think.

His resume is superb but has a glaring hole that the others do not have. I personally cant put him ahead of the others primarily because of that.

BTW Barrys my 2nd or 3rd favorite player of all time depends on my mood. Lions and Boys being out of town were the reason I got Dtv Sunday Ticket.

 

[ram29jackson]

no one is saying emmit isnt great or a top 10 player at the rb position but he is not >> barry, payton, or brown regardless of any silly record he has just like when people debate about brett favre and his records as QB in fact emmit is basically the favre of rbs durable, and good just not as interesting

interesting ? all you need to do is run forward more than others. Emmitt did it more than anyone.
Silly record? the silly record is what gets you into the hall.

Good? both Emmitt and Favre are Great, along with the rest of the -Greats-

 

[Aso]

L-O-L at accomplishing more with less.

Then bringing up YPC and Pro Bowls hahahahahah.

Same amount of rushing titles in that span.
Both players set and matched records for consecutive thousand yard seasons. Emmitt set a record for consecutive 1400 yards

Total he had 5 seasons of 1,400 yards or more while Barry had 7. That also goes with what I said about how he wasn't as successful after Aikman and Irvin started to decline.

most games in a season with a TD

What? I'm guessing that would be 16... seeing as thats the most games there are.

Barry was never in the top 3.

Because that's not the type of back Barry was. You can't use that stat against him. He was a runningback that avoided tacklers, Emmitt was a back who would take them on.

Barry had a 2000 yard season. Emmitt broke the single season record for TDs.

At equal points in there careers
15269 yds 99 tds
13963 yds 136 tds **all time NFL td record after 9 seasons.

I dont know any sane player/coach/fan who would take an extra 130 yards per season nearly 5 more TDs per season.

It took Emmitt a little over a season to "catch up" to Barrys yardage total. It would have taken Barry 4 seasons to catch Emmitts TD total.


Less with more doesnt hold water because Emmitt did more with more.

The only thing all of that said was that he had more touchdowns. He was a more physical back and was better at the goalline but part of that I say was part to blame in the system. You can't really run a Run N Shoot offense and expect your RB to lead the league in TD's. Also it's nearly 4 TD's per year.

Also you said, You don't know a coach/player/fan... so on. Well how about this stat. On average per year after their first 10 seasons Barry averaged about 131 more yards per season despite averaging 18 less carries per season.

Good job not reading the article. Emmitt style more conducive to winning. Barrys style more conducive to ooohs and aaahhs.


For those who whine about the goal line short yardage removals.
Bobby Ross who was as smashmouth a HC as you get going to Detroit pretty much spent all training camp touting how he was going to use Barry unlike hes ever been used.

After watching Barry struggle to get barely 2 yards per carry and constantly running to the wrong hole , away from the play , and into the back of his FB he went back to the spread single back formation and Barry ran off 14 consecutive 100 yard games.
To think Barry was going to pop off in Power-I offense is the same as thinking Jerome Bettis would have done better than Faulk in Martz system.


Lastly as for the O-line..L-O-L.
Go ahead and name 3-4 other of the great Olines of all time.
That will result in a nice long blank stare. Fools only think of Dallas Oline.

Well I disagree with that. The Steelers and Raiders of the 70's had great O-lines. The Chiefs from 2002-2005 was really pretty good. 2003 was probably the best. I'm pretty sure the Dolphins of their great teams had a good O-line as well. Thats what I got off the top of my head.

OJ Simpson,John Riggins ,Terrell Davis and Jim Brown ran behind O-Lines as good or better than Dallas yet you'll never hear it held against them.
4 out of those 5 members of Dall Oline were letting Pueller and Aikman get murdered while Walker and Palmer were running into walls.

Can't say much about OJ Simpson or Jim Brown but John Riggins and Terrell Davis lines were very good and I would never straight up say "They aren't great because their lines were". In a comparison between players then I probably would compare surrounding talent.

Pueller and Aikman or any Dallas QB between 91 and 95 didn't get sacked a whole lot and anyways the Dallas O-line is known for being great at run blocking and not pass blocking. The two are completely different.

I don't know who Walker and Palmer was but they didn't carry the ball between 91 and 95.

As Ralaw points out greatness is greatness. You either do it with what you have or you dont do it at all.

People said that "surrounding talent" bullshit about Warner. He went and embarrassed everyone of them.
This weekend people were using it against Rice ??
Not sure what more guys have to do to get clear of bias.

Walter Payton ran behind lines ranging from very good to atrocious. Never stopped him.
Chris Johnson suddenly find himself without a QB and on a piss poor losing team. Somehow his stats almost double.


Adrian Peterson finally gets a QB, the teams passing suddenly has a wealth of weaponry..... his R.yards and YPC both drop significantly.


Coulda woulda shoulda. Great teams are great because of great players. Some of you think the great teams are pre-selected and whoever happens to be in uniform lucked out.
Dallas 93 season 0-2 start and the NYG game proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that teams success was centered around Emmitt Smith.


1.Jim Brown

2.aEmmitt Smith
2.bWalter Payton
2.cBarry Sanders

Anyone having a top 4 list without one of those guys is delusional.

But look at the RB's that filled in for Emmitt over that two game span and look at the rest of their career. They did nothing.

 

[nflman2033]

damn KOF didn't we learn at MM like 10 years ago that this was one of the biggest waste of time arguments in the history of internet message boards.

 

[nflman2033]

1997-1998 Terrell Davis blew all these chumps up.. 2008 Peyton Hillis is a close #2. Tim Tebow will top this list in time.

thanks for the laugh

 

[Rayman]

L-O-L at accomplishing more with less.

Then bringing up YPC and Pro Bowls hahahahahah.

Same amount of rushing titles in that span.
Both players set and matched records for consecutive thousand yard seasons. Emmitt set a record for consecutive 1400 yards most games in a season with a TD , most season with 19 or more TDs. SB mvp , Each had an MVP award.

Barry and Emmit were 1 , 2 in "most rushes over 20 yards" for 6 out of 7 years. ((3 each)).
Emmitt led the league with yards after contact 5 out of 7 years.
Barry was never in the top 3.


Barry had a 2000 yard season. Emmitt broke the single season record for TDs.

At equal points in there careers
15269 yds 99 tds
13963 yds 136 tds **all time NFL td record after 9 seasons.

I dont know any sane player/coach/fan who would take an extra 130 yards per season nearly 5 more TDs per season.

It took Emmitt a little over a season to "catch up" to Barrys yardage total. It would have taken Barry 4 seasons to catch Emmitts TD total.


Less with more doesnt hold water because Emmitt did more with more.



Good job not reading the article. Emmitt style more conducive to winning. Barrys style more conducive to ooohs and aaahhs.


For those who whine about the goal line short yardage removals.
Bobby Ross who was as smashmouth a HC as you get going to Detroit pretty much spent all training camp touting how he was going to use Barry unlike hes ever been used.

After watching Barry struggle to get barely 2 yards per carry and constantly running to the wrong hole , away from the play , and into the back of his FB he went back to the spread single back formation and Barry ran off 14 consecutive 100 yard games.
To think Barry was going to pop off in Power-I offense is the same as thinking Jerome Bettis would have done better than Faulk in Martz system.


Lastly as for the O-line..L-O-L.
Go ahead and name 3-4 other of the great Olines of all time.
That will result in a nice long blank stare. Fools only think of Dallas Oline.

OJ Simpson,John Riggins ,Terrell Davis and Jim Brown ran behind O-Lines as good or better than Dallas yet you'll never hear it held against them.
4 out of those 5 members of Dall Oline were letting Pueller and Aikman get murdered while Walker and Palmer were running into walls.


As Ralaw points out greatness is greatness. You either do it with what you have or you dont do it at all.

People said that "surrounding talent" bullshit about Warner. He went and embarrassed everyone of them.
This weekend people were using it against Rice ??
Not sure what more guys have to do to get clear of bias.

Walter Payton ran behind lines ranging from very good to atrocious. Never stopped him.
Chris Johnson suddenly find himself without a QB and on a piss poor losing team. Somehow his stats almost double.


Adrian Peterson finally gets a QB, the teams passing suddenly has a wealth of weaponry..... his R.yards and YPC both drop significantly.


Coulda woulda shoulda. Great teams are great because of great players. Some of you think the great teams are pre-selected and whoever happens to be in uniform lucked out.
Dallas 93 season 0-2 start and the NYG game proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that teams success was centered around Emmitt Smith.


1.Jim Brown

2.aEmmitt Smith
2.bWalter Payton
2.cBarry Sanders

Anyone having a top 4 list without one of those guys is delusional.

 

[bucky]

.
OJ ? Sayers ? Dickerson ? Faulk ? Campbell whom are you putting ahead of Smith ?
The only other backs who can compare I mentioned and re-iterated how slim the margin was.

Maybe Campbell. I watched that guy run. Nobody had the power and speed that Earl had. Maybe Bo, but Bo's career was SO short that his name really can't be mentioned in any Great HB discussion.

Re-order it anyway you want. There is no gap. Just preference.

You're Payton=Sanders=Smith, no gap, I completely disagree with.
Smith isn't close to Payton.
If Sanders doesn't retire, then Smith doesn't touch the All Time record. And Sanders didn't have a passing attack and had average to below average O-Lines. I know, GB played them twice a year. You slowed down Sanders and you won the game. Lions had Herman Moore, but nobody to throw the ball to him. It was Sanders or bust. When Sanders Retired, he had many more yards than Smith had in the same number of years.

So what on gods green earth is your argument for Sanders>Smith ???

See above.

None of the others mentioned can hold a candle to Emmitt for big game/pressure performances.

The Cowboys had the team and the O-Line to make it possible to have those big games. Campbell didn't have the same luxury. I loved watching this guy run. Smith had great holes to run through. We saw enough Cowboys games on National TV to see those big holes. Many of Sanders yards were him making something out of nothing. Smith was consistently getting holes to run through.

Barrys "surrounding talent" was good enough to get him all those yards in the regular season but in 6 playoff games on 5 playoff teams ((gee what an awful team))
Barry went over 70 yards ONE time and had ONE TD total.

And this wasn't Sanders hitting the wrong holes, or fumbling the ball. The Lions just didn't have very good teams. Even when the won their division. The Lions didn't have much of a passing game and mediocre O-Lineman. Much of Sanders yards were created by Sanders. Smith had the O-Line to get into the playoffs and was setup to be successful in the playoffs. Good for him.

Yet you want keep Favre out of top 5 because of Postseason blunders ??
How do you do any worse than 13 carries for -1 yards in a 4 point loss ?? Thats the definition of choking.
Talk about selective stat picking.

And here I know you're talking out of your backside (on this one point). That -1 yard game was against the Packers. I actually watched the game. The Lions DUMBASS offensive coordinator abandoned the run and only passed the ball in that game. And the Lions were not a good passing team. 13 carries isn't enough for a guy that can break an 80 yard run at any time. I was thrilled that the Lions were dumb enough to only give Barry 13 carries in that game.

And it's not selective stat picking. Sanders didn't choke in big games. He didn't have much room to run in those games. Sanders didn't hit the wrong holes and/or coff up the ball. The holes were not there. Brett actually made horrible decisions and threw HORRIBLE passes in those playoff games. There's a HUGE difference. It's not stat picking.

You realize you could plug Emmitts name in there and it would sound the same right?

Sorry, Emmit wasn't a great speed back. Emmit was a between the tackles runner and not a great outside runner. He was a good receiver, but not a great receiver. You can't just put Emmit's name in there and have it sound the same.

The same cant be said for Barry. Like it or not his style failed too many times to elevate his team when they needed it most. Read the article I posted again. These are great GMs and coaches pointing that out. Ive watched more than enough Lions games to know things werent as terrible as people want to think.

The Lions are in our division, and I've been watching our divisions games since the 60's. The Lions teams were that bad even when they were in the playoffs. Sanders was set up to fail with the team he had around him. In fact, he was probably the only back that could have survived in Detroit. He was consistently making something out of nothing. Not every down, but every game, if you gave him enough touches. You put Smith on the Lions and he isn't near what he is in Dallas. You put Sanders on those Cowboy teams and Sanders has rings and the yardage record.

 

[KINGOFOOTBALL]

Total he had 5 seasons of 1,400 yards or more while Barry had 7. That also goes with what I said about how he wasn't as successful after Aikman and Irvin started to decline.

Um.. Aikman had his second best passing season in 97. Irvin had a pretty on par season in 97 as well.

Emmitt was a hair shy of 1400 twice and went over 10 tds twice during this "decline". Barrys 10th and final season he had 1491 4 tds. Emmitts 10th season he had 1397 and 11 tds.

Your not going to win a statistical argument for Barry.

What? I'm guessing that would be 16... seeing as thats the most games there are.

15 games in a season with a TD. NFL record. More with More.

Because that's not the type of back Barry was. You can't use that stat against him. He was a runningback that avoided tacklers, Emmitt was a back who would take them on.

Yeah and ?
Thats the point. His style wasnt condusive to winning.
Dont use INTs against Favre because he was a "gun slinger" that was just his style.
Dont use fumbles against Peterson because "thats his style".
Its a retarded argument. Take the good with the bad.

The only thing all of that said was that he had more touchdowns. He was a more physical back and was better at the goalline but part of that I say was part to blame in the system. You can't really run a Run N Shoot offense and expect your RB to lead the league in TD's. Also it's nearly 4 TD's per year.

Also you said, You don't know a coach/player/fan... so on. Well how about this stat. On average per year after their first 10 seasons Barry averaged about 131 more yards per season despite averaging 18 less carries per season

.

More TDs same amount of Rushing titles.
Only an idiot takes less production. The point of this game is to score points and win games.

If Barry was such a yardage machine why did Emmitt outrush him the same amount of times ?

5 tds a season >>130 yards a season.
Even a fantasy football nutjob admits that.

Well I disagree with that. The Steelers and Raiders of the 70's had great O-lines. The Chiefs from 2002-2005 was really pretty good. 2003 was probably the best. I'm pretty sure the Dolphins of their great teams had a good O-line as well. Thats what I got off the top of my head.

Packers, Bills ,Skins,Steelers blocked for 4 HOF rbs.
Bills had two thousand yard rushers in a season.

Again. You dont hear offensive lines come up until someone tried to defend Barry. Its a weak argument.

Pueller and Aikman or any Dallas QB between 91 and 95 didn't get sacked a whole lot and anyways the Dallas O-line is known for being great at run blocking and not pass blocking. The two are completely different.

I don't know who Walker and Palmer was but they didn't carry the ball between 91 and 95.

Are you dense ?
TuenIe ,Newton ,Gogan , Gesek were nobodies in the league before Emmitt. NO PROBOWLS.
Emmitt comes in all of a sudden there PB HOF players ?

Were they waiting ?
Ray Donaldson is a journeyman who hasnt seen a PB since 89...goes to Dallas he gets back to back probowls ??
Was he just holding in his excellence for Emmitt ?

But look at the RB's that filled in for Emmitt over that two game span and look at the rest of their career. They did nothing.

Youre doing a great job of proving my point.
If its the surrounding talent and the Oline how did these other players do so poorly ?
Why didnt they just step in and start popping off 150 yard games ?
Why does a SB team go 0-2 ? then win 15 of there next 17 with the only difference being one player ?

Were they just holding it all back till Emmitt arrived ?
What a special guy.

 

[Rayman]

Um.. Aikman had his second best passing season in 97. Irvin had a pretty on par season in 97 as well.

Emmitt was a hair shy of 1400 twice and went over 10 tds twice during this "decline". Barrys 10th and final season he had 1491 4 tds. Emmitts 10th season he had 1397 and 11 tds.

Your not going to win a statistical argument for Barry.



15 games in a season with a TD. NFL record. More with More.





Yeah and ?
Thats the point. His style wasnt condusive to winning.
Dont use INTs against Favre because he was a "gun slinger" that was just his style.
Dont use fumbles against Peterson because "thats his style".
Its a retarded argument. Take the good with the bad.




.

More TDs same amount of Rushing titles.
Only an idiot takes less production. The point of this game is to score points and win games.

If Barry was such a yardage machine why did Emmitt outrush him the same amount of times ?

5 tds a season >>130 yards a season.
Even a fantasy football nutjob admits that.



Packers, Bills ,Skins,Steelers blocked for 4 HOF rbs.
Bills had two thousand yard rushers in a season.

Again. You dont hear offensive lines come up until someone tried to defend Barry. Its a weak argument.










Are you dense ?
TuenIe ,Newton ,Gogan , Gesek were nobodies in the league before Emmitt. NO PROBOWLS.
Emmitt comes in all of a sudden there PB HOF players ?

Were they waiting ?
Ray Donaldson is a journeyman who hasnt seen a PB since 89...goes to Dallas he gets back to back probowls ??
Was he just holding in his excellence for Emmitt ?





Youre doing a great job of proving my point.
If its the surrounding talent and the Oline how did these other players do so poorly ?
Why didnt they just step in and start popping off 150 yard games ?
Why does a SB team go 0-2 ? then win 15 of there next 17 with the only difference being one player ?

Were they just holding it all back till Emmitt arrived ?
What a special guy.

Remember when Charles Haley threw his helmet at Jerry and said "SIGN HIM NOW!!"?

 

[KINGOFOOTBALL]

You're Payton=Sanders=Smith, no gap, I completely disagree with.
Smith isn't close to Payton.
If Sanders doesn't retire, then Smith doesn't touch the All Time record. And Sanders didn't have a passing attack and had average to below average O-Lines. I know, GB played them twice a year. You slowed down Sanders and you won the game. Lions had Herman Moore, but nobody to throw the ball to him. It was Sanders or bust. When Sanders Retired, he had many more yards than Smith had in the same number of years.

Interesting the Lions and Cowboys split the decade in terms of passing yardage.
They had a "good" line. You dont get to the playoffs 5 times have ,an all time back and record breaking WRs with a shitty line.
Interesting that Herman Moore led the league in receptions twice , finished 2nd a 3rd . He and Brett Perriman BOTH had 100 receptions in a single season. Both went over a thousand yards back to back seasons.

Thats alot of work with noone throwing to you.

The Cowboys had the team and the O-Line to make it possible to have those big games. Campbell didn't have the same luxury. I loved watching this guy run. Smith had great holes to run through. We saw enough Cowboys games on National TV to see those big holes. Many of Sanders yards were him making something out of nothing. Smith was consistently getting holes to run through

All running backs have holes to run through. You dont make it in this league without them.
All of you ignoring this entire league and its top runners are all in a system similar to Barrys not Emmits.
You spread the field you remove the FB and a linebacker from the field and you let your RB pick his spots.
Like it or not Emmit faced more 8 man fronts per season than Barry ever did. Formations dictate fronts not players.

And this wasn't Sanders hitting the wrong holes, or fumbling the ball. The Lions just didn't have very good teams. Even when the won their division. The Lions didn't have much of a passing game and mediocre O-Lineman. Much of Sanders yards were created by Sanders. Smith had the O-Line to get into the playoffs and was setup to be successful in the playoffs. Good for him.

lol they won our division and made the playoffs 5 times with bad teams...ok..got it.
He created all his yards and the losses were purely the lines fault.
lol Somehow Barry can rack up 230 yards in the regular season and its all him...when he runs for -1 against that same team all of a sudden its his coordinator and his lines fault.

Blaming the coordinator for abandoning the run after 13 carries and -1 yards is laughable.

And it's not selective stat picking. Sanders didn't choke in big games. He didn't have much room to run in those games. Sanders didn't hit the wrong holes and/or coff up the ball. The holes were not there. Brett actually made horrible decisions and threw HORRIBLE passes in those playoff games. There's a HUGE difference. It's not stat picking.

Deciding to cut back into 3 defenders is a wrong decision.
Everyone has a responsibilty. Sanders failed to live up to his and underperformed in the playoffs. SIX games only 1 good one. The other 5 were just not his fault ?

Sorry, Emmit wasn't a great speed back. Emmit was a between the tackles runner and not a great outside runner. He was a good receiver, but not a great receiver. You can't just put Emmit's name in there and have it sound the same.

Watch the highlights.

He was consistently making something out of nothing. Not every down, but every game, if you gave him enough touches.

He also made nothing out of something far too many times to be ahead of the others.
This is NFL not CBS sports fantasy football lineup sign up now league.
You cant waste time "waiting" for guys to break a long runs. You need to get yardage,you need to get first downs , you need the plays you call to be positive gains ,and you need to establish some semblance of a threat. You need a guy you can count on that anywhere on the field any down and instance he can deliver. Barry wasnt that guy. Sorry.