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UFC 103 vs Mayweather/Marquez

I agree , Mayweather barely won the oscar fight and was called out for taken on an "old fighter" after it ..... I just want to know how De La Hoya suddenly wasn't so old in most "Boxing experts" minds when Manny beat him? I know he destroyed him but he was still old right? where is the negative comments towards that fight?

And I am pressuming Manny wouldn't fight JMM again because of money reasons more than anything I just find it funny that he washed his hands clean of the rivalry after a HORRIBLE decision .

Did you watch JMM and Manny? Who in your eyes won? I can't find one person out there to tell me Manny won that fight . So how is Floyd facing the guy that most people think beat Manny taking the "easy road"

How?

Oscar was called old, people said that, the difference is Floyd wasnt a fighter who didnt start his career off 107, Pac was tiny has been coming all the way up over the years and dismantles Oscar and Floyd who was supposed to be the best boxer in the world barely beat Oscar

It doesnt matter who won in who's eyes, Manny and JMM fought twice, a draw and a win for Manny, a 3rd fight at this point isnt smart for Manny and he can make bigger fights, this sport is prize fight, you fight for a prize, its always about money

BigBucs is saying Floyd is taking the easy road because this is his pattern, he hasnt fought the best and fought the fight people have been calling for years
 
You were knocking him for fighting a guy that's smaller than he is, which is not a legit knock when he just fought Oscar who's way bigger than Floyd. If he’s a coward then he wouldn’t have moved up in weight. Personally I don't care what Floyd does or says outside of the ring, who cares? What does it matter that he's cocky and says stupid shit? Bottom line is once he gets in that ring he's the best pure technician that the sport has to offer. What he says doesn’t degrade what he displays in the ring at all.

It’s nothing but bias when it comes to Floyd. Was PacMan the #1 P4P fighter before he beat Oscar and Hatton? Nope, but once he beat those two he cemented himself as the P4P best. Of course Mayweather has beaten those same guys, but when it comes to him ‘he’s taking the path of least resistance’. Ironic.

Pacman is the naturally smaller fighter, they get extra p4p points by moving up a bunch of weight classes, you know that
 
Oscar was called old, people said that, the difference is Floyd wasnt a fighter who didnt start his career off 107, Pac was tiny has been coming all the way up over the years and dismantles Oscar and Floyd who was supposed to be the best boxer in the world barely beat Oscar

It doesnt matter who won in who's eyes, Manny and JMM fought twice, a draw and a win for Manny, a 3rd fight at this point isnt smart for Manny and he can make bigger fights, this sport is prize fight, you fight for a prize, its always about money

BigBucs is saying Floyd is taking the easy road because this is his pattern, he hasnt fought the best and fought the fight people have been calling for years

I understand this and realize this is one of the reasons why it won't happen again .... but it does go to show just how good JMM is/was .... but yet I see constant people say Floyd took the easy fight with him . It's disrespectful to a fighter who is as good as JMM is imo
 
Pacman is the naturally smaller fighter, they get extra p4p points by moving up a bunch of weight classes, you know that

Give him all the extra points you want to then, he's still not above Mayweather, especially after he beats the guy who many feel PacMan lost to.
 
& Why is it that JMM can't make a slight move in weight, but Pacquiao starts his career at 107 and has moved up to 145 and won. Essentially loses to JMM on the way, but JMM is the one who can't make the move and won't be respected in a higher class??
 
its funny guys like Mayweather, JMM and Manny are considered the P4P #1 and they fight at 147 pounds... meanwhile Paul Williams who also could fight at 147 is never mentioned and would absolutely destroy any of these guys... shit would look like an adult fighting a middle school kid.....
the Pound 4 pound rankings are a fucking joke.......

/end rant...

onto the topic at hand....... this boxing undercard is actually solid....... Chris John vs Rocky Juarex will be an action fight.... the first fight was action packed and someone Jaurez got a draw in his hometown of Houston ( dont fight there if you arent from there) as i thought Chris John clearly won 8 or 9 rounds... this one is in Vegas and John should win, he is the better fighter..... Micheal Katsidis is also fighting on the undercard and if anyone knows anything about Katsidis, he comes to fight every match... should be a really good card..... i am buying it... cant wait actually...
 
Note to Mayweather & Boxing: The Battle is Over, and You Lost
by Jason Probst (jprobst@sherdog.com)

As the first boxing writer I know of to warn the sport about everything mixed martial arts was doing right, all I can say is, “I told you so.”

Five years ago, while readily employed as a contributor to Maxboxing.com/ESPN, I had an up-close look at the stark difference in the direction boxing was going compared to the rising tide of MMA. In the unique position as Max’s round-by-round fight scorer, I ordered every boxing pay-per-view from 2003-2007 and saw the grim deterioration in quality offerings. All the while, MMA continued to build its market presence, make intuitive matchups to establish champions and viable contenders, and, in short, act a lot like boxing used to.

The blowback at times was highly entertaining. I received e-mails from all kinds of people, both fans and industry types, about how MMA was a sideshow and would never go legit. These are the same kinds of people who said the Internet would go the way of CB radio, too vested in their own bias to objectively analyze the facts.

The only person at Max who seemed to sense the coming storm -- the inevitable crossing of two divergent paths -- was my editor at the time, Tom Gerbasi (who now is site editor at UFC.com). All my other fellow boxing junkies at Max -- who were and remain an extremely talented bunch -- didn’t see the train coming down the tracks. In 2004, I even fired off a lengthy, detailed screed to a well-known sports site (you’d know the name) on the exploding demographics of MMA and how they needed to cover it, but I never heard back. If there’s anything entertaining about journalists, particularly those covering sports, it’s how they know everything until the Precise Moment They Don’t.

Nowadays, the tone has changed markedly when journalists and fans discuss both sports and their relative trajectories. Instead of exploring whether or not MMA is a threat to boxing’s fragile market share (that’s so 2006), the topic is whether or not boxing’s goose is permanently cooked.

With the consistency of MMA offerings and the month-by-month process of chipping away at a fan base that is trending toward buying good fights instead of strictly boxing fights, I’d still say that boxing isn’t quite dead yet and never will be. It will, however, remain in critical condition unless things change. Today’s MMA fan might follow boxing if the sport delivered like it did 10 years ago or in the 70s and 80s. You simply don’t get the same bang for your buck with boxing that you used to.

After covering the sport for 10 years, and following it readily for 30, that’s the best I can offer. But more importantly, I no longer have to care. It’s like a once-wonderful marriage that went south in the last decade, and I’ve left it for a better one.

Four years removed from the seminal Forrest Griffin-Stephan Bonnar classic on SpikeTV, the verdict is in. And with the desperate bleating of boxing people -- from Bob Arum to Floyd Mayweather and everyone else with an opinion a day late and several pay-per-view sales short -- boxing people are reduced to taking desperate pot shots at MMA to continue deluding themselves.

The latest entry is the public perception that this Saturday’s Floyd Mayweather Jr.-Juan Manuel Marquez bout is competing with UFC 103. It’s perfectly fitting that Mayweather himself instigated this pseudo-showdown, asking the bout be rescheduled from July to Saturday night after his injury this summer; his career is emblematic of everything that’s wrong with boxing, a once-great sport that has given shrinking returns to fans in recent years.

Mayweather “retired” after his last bout, a December 2007 stoppage of Ricky Hatton. Rightfully hailed as the sport’s pound-for-pound king, and with a deep cast of potential opponents, including Shane Mosley, Miguel Cotto and Antonio Margarito, he decided there were no more challenges for him. Despite an $8-million offer from Top Rank to face Margarito, the sport’s pound-for-pound king deemed the cupboard bare and not worthy of contemplation.

The Mayweather-Hatton bout was a splendid example of what boxing can be when given a solid matchup. Mayweather was masterful in dispatching the unbeaten Hatton, and then disappeared, despite that win and a decision over Oscar De La Hoya earlier in the year.

Fittingly, that same night was a busy one for fans of both sports: “The Ultimate Fighter 6” finale was on. On a solid card, Roger Huerta scored a dramatic stoppage of Clay Guida. Since then, the UFC has put on 34 shows -- pay-per-views and cable TV cards, and assembled a list of champions in its five weight divisions that are probably the most marketable and talented in the sport’s history.

Meanwhile, boxing’s best continue to lurk in semi-annual bouts, as the sport’s lack of cohesive organizational structure hampers the public’s ability to see its finest talent on display.

Since that fight 21 months ago, the top five Ring Magazine pound-for-pound fighters have fought a total of 13 bouts -- Pacquiao (4), Marquez (3), Bernard Hopkins (2), Shane Mosley (2) and Israel Vasquez (1) -- and that’s counting Pacquiao-Marquez II twice because they’re both on the list. Boxing’s best talents are bottlenecked into a weird operational model where networks, pay-per-view, sanctioning bodies and belts form a messy series of conflicting interests. The UFC’s emerging grip on the sport elicits different opinions from different people, but the guy plunking down $44.95 for pay-per-views is really the last authority on the matter. And business just keeps getting better.
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& Why is it that JMM can't make a slight move in weight, but Pacquiao starts his career at 107 and has moved up to 145 and won. Essentially loses to JMM on the way, but JMM is the one who can't make the move and won't be respected in a higher class??

this fight was at 144, JMM weighed in at 142 and PBF weighed in at 146, he has to pay 6 figures now, someome said it was 300k a lbs over 144

so he is already the bigger guy, JMM is coming up and PBF didnt even make weight, that is Gina Carano like, lol
 
sopcast or other streaming link to Mayweather fight? im going to try to catch pieces of both events
 
A ridiculous snoozefest of a boxing card.
No question Mayweather is insanely skilled , but 12 rounds of that shit is brutal. Guy doesn't want to exchange for shit. I refused and will forever refuse to pay for any of his fights.


UFC card had more action but 3 seemingly early stoppages by refs. Those fights didnt end dramatically. I could have watch the 3 main fights and be done and Mayweather would still be ducking and weaving for 5 more rounds.
 
A ridiculous snoozefest of a boxing card.
No question Mayweather is insanely skilled , but 12 rounds of that shit is brutal. Guy doesn't want to exchange for shit. I refused and will forever refuse to pay for any of his fights.


UFC card had more action but 3 seemingly early stoppages by refs. Those fights didnt end dramatically. I could have watch the 3 main fights and be done and Mayweather would still be ducking and weaving for 5 more rounds.

I agree with you that most fans aren't going to enjoy watching Mayweather box but I appreciate it and enjoy it because his skill is just ridiculous. You aren't going to get a lot of action watching Mayweather but you are going to see a skilled tactician who seems untouchable.

He is a boxer, not a fighter.
 
http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/news?slug=ki-mmamailbag092209&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

The UFC is a privately owned company and does not have to release its pay-per-view sales, which it chooses not to do. Occasionally, we’re able to find out what a particular fight sold, but it’s not often. From what I’m hearing, though, the Mayweather fight had a convincing victory. I’m hearing the Mayweather-Marquez pay-per-view is going to come in at or near 1 million sales. I don’t have a verifiable figure for the UFC, but I believe it will be far lower than 1 million. The boxing number should be released by Thursday at the latest and perhaps on Wednesday.
 
its funny guys like Mayweather, JMM and Manny are considered the P4P #1 and they fight at 147 pounds... meanwhile Paul Williams who also could fight at 147 is never mentioned and would absolutely destroy any of these guys... shit would look like an adult fighting a middle school kid.....
the Pound 4 pound rankings are a fucking joke.......

/end rant...

onto the topic at hand....... this boxing undercard is actually solid....... Chris John vs Rocky Juarex will be an action fight.... the first fight was action packed and someone Jaurez got a draw in his hometown of Houston ( dont fight there if you arent from there) as i thought Chris John clearly won 8 or 9 rounds... this one is in Vegas and John should win, he is the better fighter..... Micheal Katsidis is also fighting on the undercard and if anyone knows anything about Katsidis, he comes to fight every match... should be a really good card..... i am buying it... cant wait actually...

lulz Mayweather won't TOUCH Paul Williams and I honestly think he doesn't want Mosley like that.

Williams size is ridiculous and would dwarf PBF's reach.
 
A ridiculous snoozefest of a boxing card.
No question Mayweather is insanely skilled , but 12 rounds of that shit is brutal. Guy doesn't want to exchange for shit. I refused and will forever refuse to pay for any of his fights.


UFC card had more action but 3 seemingly early stoppages by refs. Those fights didnt end dramatically. I could have watch the 3 main fights and be done and Mayweather would still be ducking and weaving for 5 more rounds.

I disagree , watching a Mayweather fight is boring if you are coming into it wanting two people who are going to stand and just slug the shit out of eachother (see : Gatti - Ward or something along them lines) . But if you want to watch a master at work then it's a beautiful thing to watch imo . His skill level is just out of this world in the ring ... he made JMM , who btw has a rep for being insanely accurate land only 12% of his punches .

I guess it all depends what you want to see in a fight

I would rather watch Mayweather , Winky Wright type guy over a Ponce De Leon , Margarito type of fighter any day .

Saying all this , Katsidis was impressive on saturday . For once I was impressed with the undercard at a big event like this
 
I disagree , watching a Mayweather fight is boring if you are coming into it wanting two people who are going to stand and just slug the shit out of eachother (see : Gatti - Ward or something along them lines) . But if you want to watch a master at work then it's a beautiful thing to watch imo . His skill level is just out of this world in the ring ... he made JMM , who btw has a rep for being insanely accurate land only 12% of his punches .

I guess it all depends what you want to see in a fight

I would rather watch Mayweather , Winky Wright type guy over a Ponce De Leon , Margarito type of fighter any day .

Saying all this , Katsidis was impressive on saturday . For once I was impressed with the undercard at a big event like this

to me, it was a joy to watch...because it's like art.

His defense is unmatched...from using his elbow as a guard, to bobing, ducking and weaving through punches where it seems he knows what's coming before you, the boxer, know what's coming...it's awesome.

His boxing skills are VERY good...in fact, he added a jab supposedly which he doesn't really use...he wanted to stay away from power and he kept JMM away with the jab. I think people are mad because PBF fights smart. He's elite defensively/speed, mediocre power, but insane accuracy.
 
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