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Whitlock tears up Iverson

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DETROIT - No one wants to blame The Answer. We never do. He reminds us of our own shortcomings and failures.


In the pantheon of spoiled, media-cuddled, overhyped professional basketball players, Allen Iverson reigns supreme.

At least Charles Barkley wanted to win. Karl Malone and John Stockton tried to win. Patrick Ewing — like Barkley, Malone and Stockton — was cursed by the misfortune of being great at the same time Michael Jordan was other worldly.

Iverson has no such excuse. He arrived at the tail end of Air Jordan's rulership. As Isiah Thomas was the bridge between the Magic-Bird and Jordan eras, Iverson was supposed to transition us from Jordan to Kobe-Shaq.

Despite what Iverson's media apologists write and say, The Answer was an underachiever on and off the court.

If this reads like an obituary, that's because it is.

Iverson's career as an NBA legend died of self-inflicted wounds this season in Detroit. Much like the death of his role model, rapper Tupac Shakur, Iverson's supporters will reject the news of his demise and predict a Machiavellian return, a Dr. J-like finish to Iverson's career.

Picture me rolling on the floor laughing my ass off.

Winning has never really mattered to Allen Iverson. He is the embodiment of everything that has gone wrong in America, an unexposed, all-style-little-substance Hall of Famer.

In five months, Iverson accomplished what Flip Saunders couldn't in three years. The Answer turned the six-time Eastern Conference finalists into a hanging-by-a-string, eighth-place playoff qualifier.

And then he quit, citing back problems, a reduced role and lack of interest. Officially the Pistons deactivated Iverson for the remainder of the season due to injuries. The truth is, Iverson took his ball and went home, uncomfortable with the thought of easing back into the rotation with limited participation in practice and games.


Yeah, this duo didn't exactly work out did it? Yet somehow Chauncey Billups has the Nuggets looking golden. (Jesse D. Garrabrant / Getty Images)

Iverson said he'd rather retire than come off the bench, help the Pistons win and represent Detroit. Loser.

This column came to me last week when I was in The Motor City covering the NCAA Tournament. Tom Izzo and his Michigan State Spartans shocked everyone, advancing to the title game and claiming they wanted to serve as an inspiration to the economically depressed people of their state.

Meanwhile, Iverson gave up on Chocolate City, a chocolate coach (Michael Curry), a chocolate general manager (Joe Dumars) and an all-chocolate, one-Argentine roster.

I mention race because Iverson, his tatts, his swagger, his rap sheet and his style of play all supposedly gave him a special level of street cred and no-sellout status.

How you like Iverson now, Detroit?

The view from up close is quite chilling and enlightening. His ghetto-warrior reputation couldn't be any further separated from reality than had the producers of "Lost" written his script.

Iverson is a one-man, no-country Army, more than likely the victim of a dysfunctional upbringing that left him incapable of embracing the concepts essential to teamwork, winning and sacrifice for the benefit of others.

We're a nation of Allen Iversons, and the unchecked Wall Street greed that has us on the brink of collapse is nothing more than our chickens coming home to rot.

The assault on, the destruction of and lack of appreciation for the American family has created a nation of independent contractors. We're no longer connected.







Your destiny has nothing to do with mine.

Iverson has always been a soloist.

He could've been the second-best point guard in the history of the game (after Magic Johnson). But the idea of being a distributor first and scorer second stood in the way of a futile, ridiculous effort to chase Jordan. At 6-foot, 165 pounds, Iverson had as much of a chance of filling Jordan's Jordans as yours truly being the next Ron Jeremy.

Iverson tailored a compromise position — points guard. For much of his career, he played both backcourt positions at the same time, leaving his teammates plenty of opportunity to stand around and watch. In 13 NBA seasons, he's averaged 22 shots, 27 points, six assists and 42 percent shooting from the field. In comparison, Isiah Thomas averaged 16 shots, 19 points, nine assists and connected on 45 percent of his shots. In 11 seasons, Thomas played in 111 playoff games and won two titles. Iverson has played in 71 postseason games and advanced to the conference and NBA Finals just once. (It's also worth mentioning that in two college seasons, Thomas won an NCAA title, and in the same amount of time, Iverson never made the Final Four.)

In 2001, after the Sixers embarrassed him with threats of an offseason trade and with Larry Brown brow-beating Iverson nightly, he put together a remarkable, MVP season and carried Philadelphia to the NBA Finals.

That season was the one glimpse at what Iverson should've been. He won a career-high 56 regular-season games with Aaron McKie, Eric Snow, Tyrone Hill and 34-year-old Dikembe Mutombo providing support. Focused and motivated, Iverson reluctantly listened to Brown and pretended to be a winner.

Of course, it didn't last long. Iverson's narcissistic play and demeanor prevented him from developing a Tonto, a Pippen, a McHale, a Worthy, a Dumars. Iverson has never been accused accurately of making the players around him better.

Iverson didn't bring out the best or worst in Carmelo Anthony in Denver. The two stars simply co-existed. Chauncey Billups, the other half of the Iverson-to-Detroit trade, has Anthony and the Nuggets sitting at No. 2 in the West and a sexy pick to win it all.

Iverson, a free agent this offseason, will return to the league next year. I'd imagine he'll try to cherry-pick a title by attempting to join LeBron James. It won't be a replay of Kevin Garnett teaming with Paul Pierce.

It'll be Titanic II with Allen Iceberg.
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I've said before I've been an Iverson apologist for a long time but this season he can't be defended. Great article by Whitlock.
 
I disagree witha major argument of Whitlocks though concerning AI's Philly days. They brought him in to be a scorer. They wanted him to pour in points. To hold that against him and compare him to Thomas, who was a true point guard and was supposed to run the team and distribute to other legit NBA guys is off base.

He then brings up how AI never developed a McHale Pippen, etc. Well who did Philly ever give him? I agree with Iverson being selfish now I just disagree with Whitlock's analysis of Iverson's Philly days.
 
Ill still defend Ivy as ive been doing this whole time, but without even defending him personally.. how can I take this dude seriously when homie is saying things like "Iverson is playing for a chocolate coach, and a chocolate GM.. and a team full of chocolate players. What kind of shit is that?
 
I disagree witha major argument of Whitlocks though concerning AI's Philly days. They brought him in to be a scorer. They wanted him to pour in points. To hold that against him and compare him to Thomas, who was a true point guard and was supposed to run the team and distribute to other legit NBA guys is off base.

He then brings up how AI never developed a McHale Pippen, etc. Well who did Philly ever give him? I agree with Iverson being selfish now I just disagree with Whitlock's analysis of Iverson's Philly days.
Iverson only ever got 2 legit guys that could've been like a "Pippen" to him. One was Andre Iguodala, the other was Chris Webber. We all know Webber was way past his prime when he got to Philly, so he wasnt a real option at his age. AI2 on the other hand would've been the perfect compliment.. a very Pippen like compliment, but the Sixers shipped AI out of town before anything like that was to happen.
 
Iverson only ever got 2 legit guys that could've been like a "Pippen" to him. One was Andre Iguodala, the other was Chris Webber. We all know Webber was way past his prime when he got to Philly, so he wasnt a real option at his age. AI2 on the other hand would've been the perfect compliment.. a very Pippen like compliment, but the Sixers shipped AI out of town before anything like that was to happen.

Agree. Webber wasn't even a legit consideration for being a real #2 guy like Pip was. Iggy though could have been the guy true, but it seems Philly has some odd obsession with only having one star on their team.
 
I disagree witha major argument of Whitlocks though concerning AI's Philly days. They brought him in to be a scorer. They wanted him to pour in points. To hold that against him and compare him to Thomas, who was a true point guard and was supposed to run the team and distribute to other legit NBA guys is off base.

He then brings up how AI never developed a McHale Pippen, etc. Well who did Philly ever give him? I agree with Iverson being selfish now I just disagree with Whitlock's analysis of Iverson's Philly days.


Jason Whitlock is one of my least favorite writers. The article was wrong on several levels. I've never really liked Iverson, but I at least recognized that he was a good player. I'll just list the things Whitlock was dead wrong about, in chronological order of the article...

1) LOL at Isaiah Thomas being the bridge between the Magic/Bird and Jordan eras. I have never heard that mentioned before, probably because its wrong. Whitlock says it as if its common knowledge. Jordan scored 63 on Bird's Celtics. Magic Johnson beat Thomas' Pistons. There was no gap between Magic/Bird and Jordan to bridge.

2) As much as I hated Iverson, he put in 110% effort every time on the court. I remember when he single-handedly led the East All-Stars to a win over the West All-Stars. He did it by working his butt off during an All-Star game. Iverson was one of the smallest players in the NBA, and he took a beating every game, scoring most of his points on drives to the basket.

3) Iverson was always a 'points guard', even at Georgetown when he had Mutumbo, Mourning, etc. He never was a 'distributor' like Magic Johnson. Isaiah Thomas was a lot like Iverson from 1982-87, when the Pistons weren't that good. When the Pistons got guys like Adrian Dantley, Mark Aguirre, Joe Dumars, Microwave Johnson, Laimbeer, etc. all of the sudden Thomas becomes more of a 'distributor', 'team player', and 'winner'. Come on, Whitlock! Connect the dots.

4) Iverson never had the surrounding talent that Thomas, Stockton, and Jordan had. You would think that Whitlock would remember those mid-80's Bulls teams where Jordan would score 37ppg and lose in the 1st round of the playoffs. Would Whitlock say Jordan was selfish and not trying hard enough?
 
1) LOL at Isaiah Thomas being the bridge between the Magic/Bird and Jordan eras. I have never heard that mentioned before, probably because its wrong. Whitlock says it as if its common knowledge. Jordan scored 63 on Bird's Celtics. Magic Johnson beat Thomas' Pistons. There was no gap between Magic/Bird and Jordan to bridge.
Agreed.


3) Iverson was always a 'points guard', even at Georgetown when he had Mutumbo, Mourning, etc. He never was a 'distributor' like Magic Johnson. Isaiah Thomas was a lot like Iverson from 1982-87, when the Pistons weren't that good. When the Pistons got guys like Adrian Dantley, Mark Aguirre, Joe Dumars, Microwave Johnson, Laimbeer, etc. all of the sudden Thomas becomes more of a 'distributor', 'team player', and 'winner'. Come on, Whitlock! Connect the dots.
Agreed.

4) Iverson never had the surrounding talent that Thomas, Stockton, and Jordan had. You would think that Whitlock would remember those mid-80's Bulls teams where Jordan would score 37ppg and lose in the 1st round of the playoffs. Would Whitlock say Jordan was selfish and not trying hard enough?

Agreed.

Like I alluded to, I don't agree with his assesment of AI's past. His view on AI in the present I can agree with because I think he is being selfish but Whitlock's historical perspective is way off.
 
Logic always prevails when this Iverson debate comes up. Senser is using logic.. people that are hating on AI are just doing it cause its easy to do, especially right now. But whoever doesnt credit Iverson as one of the hardest working guys in NBA history just doesnt know basketball, straight up. If you've been following the NBA for the last decade you know the situation Iverson has been in and you know how much credit he deserves for making the very best of it every damn night he played.
 
AI will still down as one of the greats in the game, imho. I just can't get with what's going on this season.
 
I am no fan of AI, but that argument against him is really weak. I find it odd that there is no mention of Michael Curry in these articles about the Pistons' decline though. If I remember correctly the Pistons weren't going anywhere with Billups anyways and the team was struggling to score and wanted cap relief ......this is why the trade was made. Detroit felt AI was going to bring a energy, but more importantly scoring and if he didn’t his cap number would come off the books. At the time I knew it was a bad fit, but from a business standpoint understood the move. Its just funny that people make it seem as if this was the Pistons team that was so great, when in reality it wasn't. Iverson came into a bad situation.
 
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Its also hilarious that people are blaming the Pistons meltdown on Iverson.. rather than putting any blame on a new coach, on a shotty move by the front office, by a team that was hit with injuries this year.. capped with the declining play of Rasheed Wallace, and most important.. the loss of one of the most consistent PGs of the last half-decade, Chauncey Billups. This shit aint Iverson's aint AI's fault.. he was put into a fizzing situation.
 
How quickly we forget the great early 2000's of the NBA. When so many teams were good, and we did not have teams below .500 in the playoffs(Eastern Conference). In the West you had LA with Kobe and Shaq. Portland with Sheed, Bonzi, Pippen, and Damon S. Sacramento with Webber(the good version), Peja, Vlade, Christie, and Bibby. The Jazz with Stockton and Malone. The Mavs with Nash, Dirk, and Finley, also the Spurs and so on. Does anybody remember when Antonio Mcdyess was a best?

The East had some pretty beast teams, such as Philly, Milwaukee, Toronto, Orlando, also other teams. Anyway in Philly AI was a great player, he cant really play on a team that is not built around him, he is a scorer not a distributor, but that is his style of play so you cant blame him that much.
 
Jason Whitlock is one of the worst writers in america, he is right there behind jamele hill. All he talks about is race, and to me that is freakin retarded.

Detroit knew what they were getting with AI, they decided to basically tank the season to have a shot at carlos boozer.
 
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I disagree witha major argument of Whitlocks though concerning AI's Philly days. They brought him in to be a scorer. They wanted him to pour in points. To hold that against him and compare him to Thomas, who was a true point guard and was supposed to run the team and distribute to other legit NBA guys is off base.

He then brings up how AI never developed a McHale Pippen, etc. Well who did Philly ever give him? I agree with Iverson being selfish now I just disagree with Whitlock's analysis of Iverson's Philly days.

At one point Philadelphia had 3 #1 overall draft picks on the roster at the same time ( Iverson, Webber, Derrick Coleman). He played with other good scorers like Stackhouse, Larry Hughes. Its not like had ZERO help he had other legitimate scorers there. He played alongside one of the best scorers in the league in Denver and that got him nowhere as well.
He's a great player, but he'll always be the empty stats guy.
 
At one point Philadelphia had 3 #1 overall draft picks on the roster at the same time ( Iverson, Webber, Derrick Coleman).
Oh come on now. He had those two guys at the end of their careers and they were shells of their former selves and nowhere near their prime.

Coleman could barely ever stay healthy during either of his two tenurs in Philly and Webber was 2 seasons from retirement when Philly got him.


He played with other good scorers like Stackhouse, Larry Hughes.
Larry Hughes has been a problem anywhere he has ever gone and never been able to deal with not being "the man". Hughes, in a season and a half in Philly played in a combined 100 games, started 6 and averaged single digits in points. Hughes was not a "scorer" when he was with Philly and was shipped to Golden State, where he then became a better scorer.


Stack was in Philly was 2 1/2 seasons before they shipped him out to Detroit and only played a season and a half with AI. Philly thought Stack was expendable because of Iverson's prescence. Another example of Philly getting rid of talent around AI fro Theo Ratliff and Aaron McKie.

So far Iverson played with "other good scorers" for a combined 3 seasons of his Philly career.



Its not like had ZERO help he had other legitimate scorers there. He played alongside one of the best scorers in the league in Denver and that got him nowhere as well.
He's a great player, but he'll always be the empty stats guy.
Give me a break. Emty stats? He's won an MVP award, 4 scoring titles and carried a team of bums to the NBA Finals on his back. Year in and year out he took a lottery team and Philly and made them contenders.
 
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