Why you have to love Michael Vick

[Deviant]

If that guy makes the Cowboys roster barring injury to Hurd or Miles Austin, I'll turn in my fan card. Hurd is better than this guy and is a good special teams player. Stanback is another story, but Manny Johnson and Kevin Ogletree are both better than Stanback and Holley

There's no way Holley makes the team. Practice squad is his only chance.

And your point is invalid because not only does Michael Vick NOT fit the offensive philosophy of the team, he no longer fits the type of player Jones goes after. He's finally learned his lesson about these kinds of players. That's why Owens, Johnson and QBert are gone.

There is absolutely ZERO chance Jerry Jones signs Michael Vick.

None.

And don't act like you know more about this than I do. You don't.

So, you're telling me that Jerry Jones is 100% confident in having Jon Kitna and two rookies in Rudy Carpenter of ASU and Stephen McGee of Texas A&M as the backups?

Remember last year when Romo went down?

Remember how well these two nitwits worked out?

Oh yeah, three pretty fucking terrible losses to the Giants, who blew them the fuck out, the Bucs, who only had to score 13 points to win, and the 2-14 Rams.

So, by saying Vick has ZERO chance, you're saying that there's just no way Jerry Jones even considers it just because of "offensive philosophy"? Get the fuck outta' here. Once again, this is Jerry Jones we're talking about. He, at the least, has an eye on him.

 

[Rayman]

So, you're telling me that Jerry Jones is 100% confident in having Jon Kitna and two rookies in Rudy Carpenter of ASU and Stephen McGee of Texas A&M as the backups?

Remember last year when Romo went down?

Remember how well these two nitwits worked out?

Oh yeah, three pretty fucking terrible losses to the Giants, who blew them the fuck out, the Bucs, who only had to score 13 points to win, and the 2-14 Rams.

So, by saying Vick has ZERO chance, you're saying that there's just no way Jerry Jones even considers it just because of "offensive philosophy"? Get the fuck outta' here. Once again, this is Jerry Jones we're talking about. He, at the least, has an eye on him.

Are you fucking serious?

First of all, Vick is a weapon, but he blew goats as a QB BEFORE he got suspended. God forbid a team sign him with the expectations that he do damage from under center after missing two seasons. If Jerry were to sign him for that purpose, he should be committed.

Are you not listening? Jerry has (supposedly) learned his lesson about signing guys on a short leash. Even if Vick were actually a good QB (and he's not), there's no reason Jerry would put that kind of feeler out for a guy he couldn't trust to stay out of trouble after the nonsense QBert did last year.

As a QB Kitna> Vick. Not only that, but down the line, McGee > Vick. And we can actually count on them to stay out of trouble.

I'll say it again - ZERO PERCENT (0%, since you have trouble with reading comprehension) Vick ends up a Cowboy.

BTW, they beat TB with Johnson. I know. I was there.

Learn to read the scoreboard properly.

Please stop posting on this subject. You make yourself look dumber with every rebuttal.

 

[Derrville]

Jones said today hes not interested in the Overrated POS Vick.

 

[Deviant]

Are you fucking serious?

First of all, Vick is a weapon, but he blew goats as a QB BEFORE he got suspended. God forbid a team sign him with the expectations that he do damage from under center after missing two seasons. If Jerry were to sign him for that purpose, he should be committed.

Are you not listening? Jerry has (supposedly) learned his lesson about signing guys on a short leash. Even if Vick were actually a good QB (and he's not), there's no reason Jerry would put that kind of feeler out for a guy he couldn't trust to stay out of trouble after the nonsense QBert did last year.

As a QB Kitna> Vick. Not only that, but down the line, McGee > Vick. And we can actually count on them to stay out of trouble.

I'll say it again - ZERO PERCENT (0%, since you have trouble with reading comprehension) Vick ends up a Cowboy.

BTW, they beat TB with Johnson. I know. I was there. Learn to read the scoreboard properly.

Please stop posting on this subject. You make yourself look dumber with every rebuttal.

I am listening. Once again, this is Jerry Jones we're talking about. The proof is in the "(supposedly)" you put there, which only proves my point because even you're doubting that he had even "learned his lesson". Are you listening to yourself?

Jerry Jones has been making huge moves for either big names or friends his entire time as an owner. Hasn't learned his lesson then, still hasn't now because it's the way he operates. If you think he should be committed for signing Vick, you should have been one of the first ones petitioning for it when he signed Pacman and Tank.

Also, your point of saying McGee > Vick is insane. If you're saying that Jesse Holley won't make that roster, then how can you say a guy that hasn't even played in an NFL preseason is better than Michael Vick. That's just ridiculous. You're saying I look dumb and you just said Stephen McGee, in time, will be better than Vick? McGee never really played pro-style at Texas A&M, he was an option style QB. He's not faster than Vick and he doesn't have the arm strength Vick has. Accuracy, I'm not sure about. Sure, he hasn't played in two years, but speed and strength is just something you have or don't have. Does he have rust? Certainly, but that can be shaken off. It's been done before.

And while I may not have been a huge Vick fan, he didn't blow at QB. No, he's not a drop back, beat you from the pocket QB. But he kicked your ass with his feet and found ways to win football games. His NFC Championship game and playoff wins speak a lot more than Romo's 0 playoff wins.

There is only truly one team that is 0% taking him and that is the Falcons. They're are the only team who will absolutely NOT take him. Am I saying that the Vick will end up in Dallas? Absolutely not, because I think there are teams that would be more desperate for him. However, for you to say that there is a 0% percent chance, absolutely no chance, he could end up in Dallas is just absurd. And yes, I'm aware of Jones' statement, but owners always say one thing and do another and Jerry Jones is certainly not an exception.

I'm going purely on Jerry Jones' history and previous decisions and to say that Vick has a 0% chance is just ridiculous. I'm not saying that he'll end up there, but 0% logically doesn't make sense unless you're the Atlanta Falcons.

And big deal, I mixed up a score. It still doesn't excuse the fact that they were horrible. Brad Johnson and Brooks Bollinger still sucked ass, did they not? Exactly. That's the point I was making there.

 

[Rayman]

I am listening. Once again, this is Jerry Jones we're talking about. The proof is in the "(supposedly)" you put there, which only proves my point because even you're doubting that he had even "learned his lesson". Are you listening to yourself?

I put that in there because there's no telling how long it lasts. I'm 100% sure it'll at least go through this season and I'm relatively sure it'll stay that way because unlike before, JJ is actually listening to the people who work for him on this subject matter. JJ himself already came out and said he's not signing him.

Jerry Jones has been making huge moves for either big names or friends his entire time as an owner. Hasn't learned his lesson then, still hasn't now because it's the way he operates. If you think he should be committed for signing Vick, you should have been one of the first ones petitioning for it when he signed Pacman and Tank.

See above

Also, your point of saying McGee > Vick is insane. If you're saying that Jesse Holley won't make that roster, then how can you say a guy that hasn't even played in an NFL preseason is better than Michael Vick. That's just ridiculous. You're saying I look dumb and you just said Stephen McGee, in time, will be better than Vick? McGee never really played pro-style at Texas A&M, he was an option style QB. He's not faster than Vick and he doesn't have the arm strength Vick has. Accuracy, I'm not sure about. Sure, he hasn't played in two years, but speed and strength is just something you have or don't have. Does he have rust? Certainly, but that can be shaken off. It's been done before.

And while I may not have been a huge Vick fan, he didn't blow at QB. No, he's not a drop back, beat you from the pocket QB. But he kicked your ass with his feet and found ways to win football games. His NFC Championship game and playoff wins speak a lot more than Romo's 0 playoff wins.

I've talked to numerous people; scouts, coaches etc and they all have glowing things to say about McGee's potential as a QB. If Holley had any sort of this potential, he wouldn't be competing for the 80th roster spot on a reality TV show (and that whole thing is a farce, don't get me started on it).

Vick was a shit QB when he was active and he'll be a worse than shit QB with the layoff. I don't care who you are, you don't just pick up a ball 2 years later and all of a sudden become Steve Young.

Note that I said as a QB, not a playmaker. Vick can play RB/WR all he wants. I'll never look at him as a legit QB. And he never kicked our ass with his feet. We played him three times. Once with Ryan Leaf under center,
once in 2003 when Parcells took over and he barely beat us, and again in 2007 when DeMarcus Ware made him his bitch.

And people kill Romo about this team's late season struggles. Fact is, it was a problem long before he came along. If it wasn't for him they wouldn't even be in position to compete. The fact that you compare Vick to him is laughable at best.

There is only truly one team that is 0% taking him and that is the Falcons. They're are the only team who will absolutely NOT take him. Am I saying that the Vick will end up in Dallas? Absolutely not, because I think there are teams that would be more desperate for him. However, for you to say that there is a 0% percent chance, absolutely no chance, he could end up in Dallas is just absurd. And yes, I'm aware of Jones' statement, but owners always say one thing and do another and Jerry Jones is certainly not an exception.

Jerry's many things but he's not a liar. If he was even remotely interested in this guy he would have dropped hints at the least.

I'm going purely on Jerry Jones' history and previous decisions and to say that Vick has a 0% chance is just ridiculous. I'm not saying that he'll end up there, but 0% logically doesn't make sense unless you're the Atlanta Falcons.

The history goes out the window with the philosophy change. Had this been last year, I'd say yes. But not now.

Again, 0% chance. Even if Jerry WANTED to do it, Stephen Jones and the rest of the brass that convinced him to jettison TO would do everything in their power to show him why it would be a stupid mistake.

And big deal, I mixed up a score. It still doesn't excuse the fact that they were horrible. Brad Johnson and Brooks Bollinger still sucked ass, did they not? Exactly. That's the point I was making there.

Neither one of them is here now, are they? There was no point to bringing it up to begin with.

 

[dave]

As a QB Kitna> Vick. Not only that, but down the line, McGee > Vick.

Kitna>Vick???

RayMan - that's ridiculous.

Kitna a competent journeyman, nothing more. Solid backup for sure. But he's not in Vick's league as a QB. And to compare a 4th or 5th round pick to a guy who transcended a franchise (as Vick did) is ridiculous.

Do I think Vick would be a good fit for the Cowgirls? NO. I agree with you, Kitna the better fit. But to say Kitna is a better QB than Vick and McGee will be is ridiculous.

All these people relegating Vick to RB, WR or wildcat duty for the rest of his career are insane. This guy is only 29. Yes, it's out of the question for him to be a starting QB this year (or maybe not), but to write him off as a starting QB is stupid. He could be ready by next year and will still only be 30.

 

[Rayman]

Kitna>Vick???

RayMan - that's ridiculous.

Kitna a competent journeyman, nothing more. Solid backup for sure. But he's not in Vick's league as a QB. And to compare a 4th or 5th round pick to a guy who transcended a franchise (as Vick did) is ridiculous.

Do I think Vick would be a good fit for the Cowgirls? NO. I agree with you, Kitna the better fit. But to say Kitna is a better QB than Vick and McGee will be is ridiculous.

All these people relegating Vick to RB, WR or wildcat duty for the rest of his career are insane. This guy is only 29. Yes, it's out of the question for him to be a starting QB this year (or maybe not), but to write him off as a starting QB is stupid. He could be ready by next year and will still only be 30.

Right now, this moment, who are you taking?

A journeyman who is at least servicable as a backup or an inconsistent scrambler who hasn't played the position in 2 years?

People think you can just pick up a ball and play QB in the NFL. Shit, I wish.

Had you come to me before his prison sentence, you might have something. Now? Hell no.

 

[dave]

Right now, this moment, who are you taking?

A journeyman who is at least servicable as a backup or an inconsistent scrambler who hasn't played the position in 2 years?

People think you can just pick up a ball and play QB in the NFL. Shit, I wish.

Had you come to me before his prison sentence, you might have something. Now? Hell no.

Again, this year, I agree with you. Kitna a better fit.

But Vick is still an elite athlete. By mid or late into the season, there are likely going to be many teams who wished they had signed him and let him learn their system.

Vick at 80% of what he used to be still better than Kitna, but again, not right away.

 

[Rayman]

Again, this year, I agree with you. Kitna a better fit.

But Vick is still an elite athlete. By mid or late into the season, there are likely going to be many teams who wished they had signed him and let him learn their system.

Vick at 80% of what he used to be still better than Kitna, but again, not right away.

I'd be shocked if he's 80% of what he used to be within the next 2-3 years, honestly.

Wildcat should be the only time he takes snaps.

 

[dave]

I'd be shocked if he's 80% of what he used to be within the next 2-3 years, honestly.

I wouldn't.

I think he'll be about 95% of the Vick he used to be by 2010.

 

[dave]

Your own man - Roger Staubach - was out of football for five years before joining the Cowboys, RayMan.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Staubach

 

[Rayman]

Your own man - Roger Staubach - was out of football for five years before joining the Cowboys, RayMan.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Staubach

1) He wasn't in prison

2) He was working on his game with all the spare time he had, hard to do that in Leavenworth

From your own link

He spent the rest of his Naval career in the United States, playing football on various Naval service teams to prepare for his future career in the NFL.

3) Roger Staubach shits on Mike Vick as a QB, come on man. You can't compare the two.

 

[dave]

1) He wasn't in prison

2) He was working on his game with all the spare time he had, hard to do that in Leavenworth

From your own link

3) Roger Staubach shits on Mike Vick as a QB, come on man. You can't compare the two.

I really wasn't trying to compare the two. I was just saying the two-year layoff won't necessarily ruin Vick as a QB.

And I'm guessing Vick got to throw the odd football in Leavenworth.

 

[Rayman]

I really wasn't trying to compare the two. I was just saying the two-year layoff won't necessarily ruin Vick as a QB.

And I'm guessing Vick got to throw the odd football in Leavenworth.

He was in prison, not summer camp. I'd imagine the time he got was extremely limited.

He was not affiliated with a team like Staubach was. Landry and Schramm sent him footballs, playbooks and tape to look over during his service tour to do everything they could to prepare him for his future role. He has said he worked on his passing every single day. He was a hell of a lot more prepared than Vick could have been.

And again, while Vick is one of the superior athletes of our lifetime, he can't hold a candle to Roger Staubach, a Hall of Famer, as a passer or a leader. Not even close.

 

[dave]

He was in prison, not summer camp. I'd imagine the time he got was extremely limited.

He was not affiliated with a team like Staubach was. Landry and Schramm sent him footballs, playbooks and tape to look over during his service tour to do everything they could to prepare him for his future role. He has said he worked on his passing every single day. He was a hell of a lot more prepared than Vick could have been.

And again, while Vick is one of the superior athletes of our lifetime, he can't hold a candle to Roger Staubach, a Hall of Famer, as a passer or a leader. Not even close.

I am not comparing Vick to Staubach as a QB or human being. LOL. I am sorry for bringing up that example.
It was a time away from the game example, nothing more.

But I guarantee this - in a year, no one will want Kitna or McGee over Vick. And that's all I'm trying to say.

Vick isn't 38. He's 29. And he's an elite athlete who has been through hell personally. If that doesn't motivate someone, I don't know what will.

I hate sounding like a Vick fan, because I'm not. What he did to those dogs was despicable.

But from a purely football point of view, I still think he can make a serious contribution.

That doesn't excuse what he did to those dogs, but dismissing him as inferior to Kitna is insane.

 

[Rayman]

I am not comparing Vick to Staubach as a QB or human being. LOL. I am sorry for bringing up that example.
It was a time away from the game example, nothing more.

But I guarantee this - in a year, no one will want Kitna or McGee over Vick. And that's all I'm trying to say.

Vick isn't 38. He's 29. And he's an elite athlete who has been through hell personally. If that doesn't motivate someone, I don't know what will.

I hate sounding like a Vick fan, because I'm not. What he did to those dogs was despicable.

But from a purely football point of view, I still think he can make a serious contribution.

That doesn't excuse what he did to those dogs, but dismissing him as inferior to Kitna is insane.

I'm not speaking to the future.

Not 2 weeks from now, not 2 years from now, not 2 decades from now.

Right now, would you take Kitna or Vick STRICTLY to back up Tony Romo?

I'm not even considering the off-field nonsense. Just on ability to competently play the position.

We don't need any speed gimmicks on offense right now either. We've got Felix Jones.

I just don't see how anyone can even think it's remotely possible this guy ends up in Dallas, especially when you consider the house-cleaning they just had this offseason. Even Greg Ellis' whiny ass got the boot.

 

[dave]

I'm not speaking to the future.

Not 2 weeks from now, not 2 years from now, not to decades from now.

Right now, would you take Kitna or Vick STRICTLY to back up Tony Romo?

I'm not even considering the off-field nonsense. Just on ability to competently play the position.

We don't need any speed gimmicks on offense right now either. We've got Felix Jones.

I just don't see how anyone can even think it's remotely possible this guy ends up in Dallas, especially when you consider the house-cleaning they just had this offseason. Even Greg Ellis' whiny ass got the boot.

Like I wrote, I don't think he's a good fit for Dallas.

Your team has done the right thing, getting rid of all the jokers.

It's time to focus on just football.

But I think Vick could be a good fit somewhere. Oddly enough, I think New England would be a good fit. Injury insurance and the perfect lockerroom.

I doubt New England would do it, but I honestly believe the Pats would be a great fit for Vick. They could have him do some wildcat stuff, teach him the system, possibly make him trade bait for 2010.

 

[BWEISS]

Since Brett Favre just retired, he's obviously going to the Vikings...

 

[Senser81]

But I think Vick could be a good fit somewhere. Oddly enough, I think New England would be a good fit. Injury insurance and the perfect lockerroom.

HA HA HA HA HA HA!

Yeah, lets choose the team that has no problem attempting 60 passes per game and has one of the best WR tandems in the NFL with Moss and Welker. Can you imagine watching Vick trying to orchestrate the Patriots offense, making quick reads and trying to get the ball to Randy Moss? A team that recently set the all-time single season scoring record?

I say this on occasion, but this time I really mean it...that's possibly the dumbest football-related comment I've ever read on this forum.

 

[bucky]

If I were MV, I wouldn't worry about where I fit the best. I would find the team with the VERY BEST coaches who have a history of producing solid QB's. I would take a ONE YEAR minimum salary, be the third string guy if necessary (even with no chance to start) and work under the best QB coaches, and finally learn how to play the position,

And, then, next year, I would look for the best fit and try to position for a starting spot.