Will we see the real officials by Thursday? (Tribute to Bob Kuzzy and the gamblers)

[Bomberooski]

3 people vote after the news breaks. Memo to them: "Go :suicide:" (but to your fingers and not your head)

 

[MrBill]

I don't know who the other yes vote was but he and I are big winners. It was probably Glenbino. :smug:



EDIT: Just figured out how to see the people that voted. It was MrBill. Love that guy. 2-2-0 love

220 For Life!

 

[bucky]

Don't forget the bogus PI that kept the Packers TD drive alive, or the spotting of the ball when Rodgers was tackled near the one and they didn't even measure, or the PI on Woodson over the middle late in the 4th quarter. Green Bay has every right to be pissed because the game was taken from them but don't act like Green Bay didn't get their fair share of awful calls that helped them.

Also, Tate is such a faggot. From the dirty hit on Lee last week and celebrating after it to his interview where he said he caught the ball. At least when Wilson interviewed he had that grin on his face where you knew he knew they got incredibly lucky.

The PI that kept GB's scoring drive alive you can have. But the Rodgers first down was a good review and first down. GB got awful calls that helped them, but it still was very one sided in the Ref help dept. But doesn't your entire post support the fact that their is a significant difference between the replacement refs and the regular refs? Or is your position that the regular refs would make significant mistakes with the same frequency?

 

[kmanharris]

The PI that kept GB's scoring drive alive you can have. But the Rodgers first down was a good review and first down. GB got awful calls that helped them, but it still was very one sided in the Ref help dept. But doesn't your entire post support the fact that their is a significant difference between the replacement refs and the regular refs? Or is your position that the regular refs would make significant mistakes with the same frequency?

I didn't say the reviewed Rodgers play wasn't a first down. However, they didn't even measure it and it was incredibly close.

No. My post doesn't support that there is a significant difference between the two sets of refs. The regular refs make awful calls as well. If the replacement refs didn't slow down the game an immense amount, I would have zero issue with them. As Ralaw said in another thread, when it comes to procedural calls, the regular refs are no doubt better. When it comes to judgement calls, they are a wash.

IMO, procedural calls come with studying the game and game experience, you can't just pick it up in a couple week span. Not to mention the fact that the ENTIRE crew is all rookies and going through the same thing. When the regular refs are on the field you have a bunch of guys who have been doing it for 15+ years and can cover up/overrule mistakes made by rookie refs.

I know, I know. "I've been watching football since the 60's and you don't need a microscope to see there is a significant difference." Well, when the real refs come back and still screw up calls, then what? Refs will be refs and they will always screw up calls. Always.

And for the last time, I wanted the real refs back and am glad they are back. They are better than the replacement refs, no doubt. Significantly better? No. But from years of experience they know the rules much better than the replacement refs and keep the game flowing much, much better.

 

[bucky]

No. My post doesn't support that there is a significant difference between the two sets of refs. The regular refs make awful calls as well. If the replacement refs didn't slow down the game an immense amount, I would have zero issue with them. As Ralaw said in another thread, when it comes to procedural calls, the regular refs are no doubt better. When it comes to judgement calls, they are a wash.

I'm concerned with all calls and the frequency at which the bad calls happen. We have seen a much higher degree/frequency of bad calls in these past three weeks. Saying that the regular refs make some awful calls as well means absolutely nothing. You have to compare the degree and frequency of bad calls to make an assessment between the replacement and regular refs.

IMO, procedural calls come with studying the game and game experience, you can't just pick it up in a couple week span. Not to mention the fact that the ENTIRE crew is all rookies and going through the same thing. When the regular refs are on the field you have a bunch of guys who have been doing it for 15+ years and can cover up/overrule mistakes made by rookie refs.

All you did here was make excuses, valid ones, but still excuses as to why their is a significant difference between the replacement refs and regular refs. You just supported that their is a significant difference and why.

I know, I know. "I've been watching football since the 60's and you don't need a microscope to see there is a significant difference." Well, when the real refs come back and still screw up calls, then what? Refs will be refs and they will always screw up calls. Always.

I'm concerned about the FREQUENCY of the screw ups.

And for the last time, I wanted the real refs back and am glad they are back. They are better than the replacement refs, no doubt. Significantly better? No. But from years of experience they know the rules much better than the replacement refs and keep the game flowing much, much better.

And for the last time, the regular refs are significantly better. Not infallible like you and Warner like to point out, but still significantly better. The frequency of mistakes are much less.

 

[kmanharris]

Bucky, how frequently do the regular refs mess up? Do you actually know?

You just see the replacement refs messing up so much because every bad called is being nationally broadcasted, talked about, and scrutinized. With the regular refs, only the truly awful calls were subject to this type of scrutiny.

Me: Jesus, I can't wait for the regular refs to get back. They are definitely an improvement over the replacement refs.
Bucky: No, you're absolutely wrong. They are a signficant improvement over the replacement refs.

 

[bucky]

Bucky, how frequently do the regular refs mess up? Do you actually know?

You just see the replacement refs messing up so much because every bad called is being nationally broadcasted, talked about, and scrutinized. With the regular refs, only the truly awful calls were subject to this type of scrutiny.

Me: Jesus, I can't wait for the regular refs to get back. They are definitely an improvement over the replacement refs.
Bucky: No, you're absolutely wrong. They are a signficant improvement over the replacement refs.

I saw it in just the games I watched. And I'm not talking about ticky tack mistakes. I'm talking about marking off a penalty starting 12 yards or so off from where the penalty should have been marked off. Things like that. We saw a bunch of them in ONE FING game on MNF. And this is only over the span of a couple of weeks.

NO:
YOU: Jesus, these replacement refs are under a microscope and unfairly scrutinized when the regular refs really aren't much better because the regular refs make mistakes too.
ME: They are a significant improvement over the replacement refs.

 

[ram29jackson]

The refs would need everything from uniforms to physicals, no way does it go through in time for Thursday. It might be possible for Sunday, but that's only with an immediate resolution, which isn't likely.

you were saying ? The modern world moves pretty fast, dont it ?