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[Deviant]

Dude how can stats not be apart of this? That just doesnt make much sense to me???

Because statistics say that Zach Randolph is almost as good as Dwight Howard.

 

[Lupe]

Ok first of all your not getting bashed your getting the facts thrown at you. You comparing LA VS the Cavs team wise yet he is talking about Lebron in the NBA Finals when they lost to the Spurs. Your talking about something totally different comparing LA and the Cavs.

 

[Lupe]

I love how you copied all Lebrons shit from wiki too. Proves how much NBA knowledge you have copy and pasting.

 

[Deviant]

alright well then idk what else you can go off of I mean I am not thinking of championships I am tlkn abt overall talent! Like I said KObe is one of the best players to get on a court, but when LeBron came in he just started taking over just like Kobe did when he came in.

You're talking overall talent, yet saying you don't know what else we can go off if we're not talking statistics? That doesn't even make sense. Are you saying that talent = statistics? Have you even watched an NBA game before?

You go off of how the players play and talk about the intangibles: the things that stats can't measure.

 

[Deviant]

And another thing Kobe has not avg 7 ast per game through his career. Don't you remember ppl even use 2 call him a ball hog. LeBron James is almost avg a triple double every game at a young age of only 24 so thats gotta mean something????????

You're going by statistics and what people say. If you're saying Kobe was a ball hog because he never averaged seven assists a game in his career, then you're also saying that Kobe is more of a ball hog now than he was in the past because he's currently averaging even fewer assists. But, "people" say that he's a better teammate and passer now. It's bullshit.

And so what if LeBron is averaging a near triple double? Jason Kidd averages a near triple-double. Is he now the best player in the NBA?

Statistics are borderline meaningless in this argument.

 

[Big C-Dub]

Kobe is better right now, because he's in his prime. I think LeBron is still getting better, and he will get some rings along the way.

 

[SHOGUN]

I love how no one said a damn thing about Lebron's supporting cast when his team rattled off 60+ wins and cruised through the playoffs, but as soon as Lebron's team got whooped by the Magic, the Lebron stans always want to shout "He had no help!!" Lebron didn't singlehandedly win all those games himself, so cut that bullshit argument out.

Kobe > Lebron.

 

[SHOGUN]

PS - Lebron dominates the ball as much as Kobe used to, but no one says shit about it because he's The Chosen One and they point to the triple doubles.

And don't get me started on his traveling....excuse me, "crab dribble".

 

[A Tasty Burgerr]

This thread sucks

 

[A Tasty Burgerr]

Sounds good to me

 

[Deviant]

Lie again when have you seen Jason Kidd since his arrival at Dallas avg a triple double thos were his New Jersey years. And Kobe actaully is not doing poor he has never been a passer. He avg only 4 ast per game now his highest is an avg of 6.

LOL

Where was the first lie to begin with? I said NEAR triple double, just like you said Lebron ALMOST averages a triple double. Learn how to fucking read. Kidd is about 10/9/6 in Dallas and he's only been there for a year really. He's been averaging near triple-doubles for almost his whole career and picks up triple-doubles like it's nobody's business.

Alright, I'm going to say it now. Assists are the most overrated statistic in basketball. All an assist means is that you are the last guy on the same team to have touched the ball to the guy that scored. That's all it means. Doesn't mean you're a passer or that you're not. Saying that because Kobe only gets 5 (not four) assists per game, he isn't a passer is the dumbest thing I have heard this week. Also, you completely missed my point on what I meant about Kobe and what "people" say about him being a "ballhog".

I am now convinced you do not watch basketball and that you're just throwing out statistics just for the sake of throwing it out.

 

[SHOGUN]

But don't get me started on "I can turn it on w/e I want to." Like I said Kobe is the shit no one can deny that but really do you really think Kobe can get any better than what he is? LeBron is a beast now wait a couple of years, ppl are going to be like Kobe who????lol jkjk

Of course Kobe might not improve anymore because a) he's already the best guard in the league and has a complete game and b) He's 30 years old and has played over a decade in the league. He's pretty much maxed out at this point. Lebron is 24, of course he's going to improve. But just because they can improve does not mean that they should be crowned today for what they will become tomorrow. But that is what the media is trying so hard to with Lebron....

 

[Deviant]

"Well I will end it at this, so I don't "offend" anyone you can't compare the two how is that??????"
Idk if you caught that so maybe you should go get checked for glasses

Ever heard of making a post while others post?

And no dude I didn't miss your point alot of what your saying is accurate.. But that doesnt make sense how can you take ast out of the game, espcially from ppl like Chris paul..

You did miss my point and you're still missing it.

I def watch alot of basketball or I wouldnt have posted this thread. Maybe I am wrong maybe you are wrong but these two are just simply the best at what they do thats all im saying.

Your first post, verbatim:

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This is why he is better than Kobe, this man is the GOD of basketball for this generation. I am not saying he is Michael b/c "NO ONE" will ever pull a MJ. For right now this is the greatest basketball player I have seen since MJ. What do u guys think?​

Last, but not least:

And another thing abt stats is yes how does talent not = stats. Kobe's talent gets him stats like 81 points against Toronto. So what your saying doesnt make much sense.

And yeah Kobe is the best guard thats why I have thought abt it and you cnt compare the two. Kobe is a guard LeBron is a Forward end of story.

Talent does not translate into stats. Kobe's talent isn't why he scored 81 against Toronto. It's because he attempted near 50 field goals in the game and was sent to the line about 20 times. 70 scoring chances = great success rate of you scoring 80 points.

 

[The Messenger]

Just to add on here, LeBron's trip to the Finals was a cakewalk up until the Finals, the Cavs almost lost to the Pistons had Daniel Gibson not been on fire that night.

LeBron was made into a bitch in the Finals. Kobe got his ass kicked too, but not as bad as LeBron did. And you have the same situation in both cases. LeBron faced the second best defense that year in the Spurs (Cavs having the top defense that year I believe), and Kobe faced the best defense that year in the Celtics.

The Cavs team isn't as bad as LeBron fans think they are. And I call you LeBron fans because even you know that you only support the Cavs for LeBron. That team included an All-Star scoring guard (Mo Will isn't a true point), a top 10 center, and good role players in Delonte West, Varejao, and Gibson. Is it great offensively? No. However, it's not a terrible supporting cast and it's a team full of talent and hustle on the defensive end.

The Cavs lost to the Magic because they weren't versatile enough on defense, not offense, so stop bringing up the supporting cast and how they suck on offense. It came down to the fact that none of their big men could play perimeter defense, not the fact that LeBron had to score 40+ points a night by himself (and I believe the stat was when LeBron scored less than 40 the Cavs won in that series).

But you really do need to stop bringing up the teammate thing. If you want that argument, look at what Kobe did with a starting lineup of Smush, Walton, Odom, and Kwame Brown. Brought three garbage players in their starting lineup to the playoffs and pushed a top ranked Suns team to game seven. Last time LeBron had that much garbage on his team the Cavs were playing the lottery.

And stop acting like everyone is attacking you. If you want to make a statement like LeBron is the best player, than be able to back it up. Seeing all these posts about "Stop attacking me" is even worse than when I go in your chise and see all the "Please comment guys, where's my followers?!?!!?" posts.

 

[Anthony]

Penis

 

[The Messenger]

You get any pussy? Really thats whn u stop being a kid and become a man. Have you got some pusssssy???

 

[Archer]

Letuswitness23

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Why do we even let these guys sign up?

 

[zack54attack]

Kobe needed ppl to win himself a championship so did Jordan LeBron hasnt won yet, but he lead his team to the finals by hisself. Both MJ and Kobe didnt do that. I think he did....

Can you please stop saying that? Don't bring that bullshit excuse up ever again. It's worthless.

Every player needs their team to win a championship. LeBron didnt lead the Cav's to the finals himself. He had a team. Just like every other player in the NBA has, a team. Teamwork flat out wins games.

In fact, LeBron did have a player like Pippen (MJ), and Shaq (Kobe). His name was Mo Williams. Who in the regular season was one of the top scoring guards in the league. Then he went MIA in the playoffs, unlike Pippen and Shaq.

And another thing... Bill Cartwright, John Paxson, Horace Grant, Pippen, and BJ Armstrong were not real good players when they came to the Bulls. They ended up being good players because MJ makes his teamates better.


The difference between MJ/Kobe against LeBron is their performances. Have you ever seen MJ's finals games? The Flu game, 1992 NBA Finals where he torched the Blazers for 35 points in one half including 6 Three pointers in the half?.. or how about when he took over against the Lakers in the 1991 finals? Please tell me you have seen Game 6 of the 1998 finals where he stole the ball from Malone and then burried the Jazz with his "Final shot"..

Same for Kobe. Him and MJ took over games in the playoffs. LeBron has barely yet to do so.

 

[zack54attack]

Wtf how did MJ get in this, dude MJ is really the best player ever. I thought this was a debate that ended 2 pages ago over who was better Kobe or LeBron. And yes I saw the flu game I wasnt born then but I have watched it since then...

You said Kobe and MJ needed a "team" around them to win.

I showed you examples.

Read my post over again.

 

[Len B]

Never heard of LeBron James. Got any highlight videos?