Zach Greinke: 2012 AL Cy Young Winner

[ThomasTomasz]

If the Brewers can't sign Zack Greinke to a long-term extension by the July 31 non-waiver trade deadline, some speculate that Milwaukee might deal the 2009 AL Cy Young winner. Our experts debate Greinke's future:

1. What do you think is more likely, the Brewers signing Zack Greinke or trading him?
Richard Durrett (@espn_durrett ), ESPN Dallas: Trading him. We're just a little more than a month until the deadline, and that's not much time to get this done for him to stay in Milwaukee. The Brewers will deal him and get something back for him. :greinke:

Dan Szymborski (@DSzymborski ), ESPN Insider: I think in the end, the Brewers will trade Greinke. The team's fallen out of the race, and if they get back in, it'll more reflect the weakness of the NL Central than the strength of Milwaukee. Signing him would be the best outcome, but they couldn't agree on a price last winter, and with only weeks to go until the trade deadline and Greinke's ERA standing at 2.82, the numbers on his next contract haven't gotten any more favorable for the Brewers :greinke:

Matthew Philip (@mattphilip ), Fungoes: The Brewers aren't in any better position to sign Greinke than they were when they had CC Sabathia in 2008, and their team is further away from serious contention. I can't see them signing him :greinke:

2. If Greinke does get traded, where do you think he will end up?
Durrett: Tough one, but I'll say the Texas Rangers. It seems like GM Jon Daniels and company find a way to get involved in deals like this, and they have the depth in their system to pull it off.

Szymborski: It'll come down to the contending team finding itself in the toughest position in July. The 2012 Yankees without CC Sabathia and Andy Pettitte is like the 1980s without Journey, and bringing in Greinke is better than anybody's Plan B. The Yanks also have the ability to give Greinke a long-term contract.

Philip: The Cardinals, who have basically two rookies in their rotation and are waiting for Chris Carpenter to return, may decide that Greinke can help them secure their division. The Braves are in a similar situation, having lost Brandon Beachy. Theo Epstein's Cubs, with a lot of open payroll in 2013, may ultimately be a suitor at the end of the season, but they have no need to trade now.

3. If it meant giving up your two best prospects for Greinke, would you do it?
Durrett: Nope. He's a three-month rental, and under the new collective bargaining agreement, you don't get a draft pick for him if he leaves. So that's not worth the club's two best prospects. But Texas has some very good prospects for whom they could make a competitive package to get him.

Szymborski: If I'm a team looking to pick up Greinke, I ask myself whether or not Greinke can legitimately make the difference between winning the division and winning the wild card and pull the trigger, especially if I can get a negotiating window for a long-term deal. If my team's limping in the wild-card race, I probably wouldn't, because baseball's new playoff structure makes winning the division much more valuable and a wild-card spot much less valuable. If I'm mortgaging the future, I want to escape the wild-card play-in game, not push myself into one.

Philip: Given that Greinke could be the difference for a contending team -- say, the Cardinals -- I'd consider it, though the new CBA rules, which would preclude the team getting draft picks if Greinke walks at the end of the year, make it a tougher call. Cardinals GM John Mozeliak recently noted that he'll be keeping an eye on the starting pitching market, so Greinke might actually work as a "Randy Johnson-style" rental, though it's not something that the Cardinals often do with no intention of signing the player.

http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/page/120628tripleplay/clock-ticking-milwaukee-brewers-zack-greinke

 

[Youk]

 

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Great piece in Bleacher Report which explains why Greinke will be a Brave, with "MLB ready" shortstop Tyler Pastornicky as the centerpiece to the deal.

The July 31 trade deadline is fast approaching.

While the Atlanta Braves sit only a few games behind the first place Washington Nationals, the Milwaukee Brewers are barely holding onto fourth place in the NL Central—seven games under .500. The general feeling around baseball is that the Milwaukee Brewers will be sellers before the end of the deadline.

Their biggest and most prized trade chip is Zack Greinke.

Greinke is due to hit free agency at the end of this year because the Brewers do not have the capital to re-sign the ace pitcher and address other holes. The Brewers would be looking to receive a trade similar to last year's Mets/Giants trade, which involved Carlos Beltran. The Mets were able to net a top pitching prospect in Zach Wheeler, and the Giants were able to give a significant boost to their offense during their playoff run.

Unlike the Giants and Beltran, the Braves will only trade for Greinke if they are able to sign him to a long-term extension. The Braves do not want a rental player. They are looking to lock down one of the game's elite pitchers.

With Chipper Jones retiring and Derek Lowe's contract ending, the Braves have $29 million coming off the books in 2013. The Braves have said they are willing to spend some of the money allocated for next year's payroll this season if an opportunity for a trade arises.

One of the Braves' greatest strengths as an organization is their farm system. One of the Brewers' biggest needs is young talent. They gave up a sizable portion of their farm system when they acquired Greinke, but with the their star pitcher nearing the end of his run in Milwaukee, they have an opportunity to replace some of the pieces they lost.

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The Brewers desperately need of a good shortstop. With the recent promotion and success of Andrelton Simmons, the Braves now have an extra MLB ready SS prospect in their farm system in Tyler Pastornicky.

At just 22 years of age, Pastornicky's road back to the majors as a member of the Braves appears to be in doubt—thanks to the sensational play of Simmons. However, the Brewers need a legitimate SS, so the two organizations line up nicely.

The Braves will probably have to come off one of their young arms in addition to Tyler Pastornicky to land Greinke. Brandon Beachy and Tommy Hanson will probably be out of the question, as well as super prospect Julio Teheran. However Mike Minor, Randall Delgado or Sean Gilmartin may be moved to help facilitate this deal.

 

:jonesy:

 

[ThomasTomasz]

Bleacher Report- where any idiot can appear smart uft:

 

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Here's a hilarious Yankees proposal from Bleacher-Report:

Yankees Receive: Zack Greinke

Brewers Get: RHP Dellin Betances, SS Eduardo Nunez, OF Slade Heathcott, C Francisco Cervelli

Yankees FC Doug Rush's take:

With this trade, the Brewers would get a backup catcher who is MLB-ready, and a super utility infielder/outfielder who is also MLB ready with a bat. With Betances, they get the Yankees No. 2 prospect who, if he ever straightens out, can be very good. With Heathcott, they get a young outfielder they could use in maybe 2 years.

The Yankees just scouted Greinke’s latest start today. With the injuries to Sabathia and Pettitte, looking into Greinke makes a lot of sense.

Nunez is a super utility fielder? :dd:

Oh and Betances is already 24, currently leads MiLB in walks and has a 6+ ERA in triple-A. :gooby:

 

[Woy]

Here's a hilarious Yankees proposal from Bleacher-Report:




Nunez is a super utility fielder? :dd:

Oh and Betances is already 24, currently leads MiLB in walks and has a 6+ ERA in triple-A. :gooby:

Looks like a good haul for Milwaukee then. uft:

 

[Youk]

Here's a hilarious Yankees proposal from Bleacher-Report:




Nunez is a super utility fielder? :dd:

Oh and Betances is already 24, currently leads MiLB in walks and has a 6+ ERA in triple-A. :gooby:

I don't know, that addition of the amazing Francisco Cervelli really helps them, especially after Lucroy comes back.

 

[Primetime]

Getting that MLB-ready catcher would be huge for the Brewers. What squad wouldn't want 4 catchers on the MLB roster?


Greinke to Texas for Profar :fap:

 

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Greinke to Texas for Profar :fap:

:lol:

 

[Primetime]

Greinke for Suppan :fap:

 

[Goober]

Nahste I told you, if Melvin trades Greinke it will be a huge loss for the Brewers. He'll ask for major league ready talent. Go back and look at the Carlos Lee trade. Carlos Lee and Nelson Cruz for Kevin Mench and Francisco Cordero. Melvin blows.

 

[Primetime]

Nahste I told you, if Melvin trades Greinke it will be a huge loss for the Brewers. He'll ask for major league ready talent. Go back and look at the Carlos Lee trade. Carlos Lee and Nelson Cruz for Kevin Mench and Francisco Cordero. Melvin blows.

It will be an even bigger loss when he leaves and signs a deal with a winning team, leaving us with nothing in return.

 

[Woy]

It will be an even bigger loss when he leaves and signs a deal with a winning team, leaving us with nothing in return.

But the draft picks! :runaway:

 

[Goober]

It will be an even bigger loss when he leaves and signs a deal with a winning team, leaving us with nothing in return.

I'd take the draft picks every time. They need to stop being pecker woods and give Zack the contract he wants. The belief is they balked after the Cain deal came out.

 

[Warner2BruceTD]

PECKER WOODS

underused

 

[mcstl25]

Bump?

 

:troll:

 

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This thread is on hiatus. Will resume once battery levels are replenished.

 

[Primetime]

Gooby would like this thread renamed to...

2012 NL Cy Young Winner: Ben Sheets

 

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Gooby would like this thread renamed to...

2012 NL Cy Young Winner: Ben Sheets

I second that motion.

:yep:

 

[Goober]

I noted it after the White Sox game...