Xbox Live increasing $10 per year

[Ravin]

But again Twigg, I'm not a cheap ass. The batteries have more then paid for themself now. That was years ago. I buy shit, and move on. I don't dwell on the purchase. Great the PS3 has that abilty, but you'll still most people don't find battery problems a big issue when buying a system. Never heard someone say "oh shit, I'll have to buy batteries to play with all my friends. I better get a PS3".

Again, I have everything I need to play the games I want. I don't need all those extras and if you get sucked into them, well your own problem.

And by the way, my batteries were a christmas gift ;)

[Fappin Raptor]

The battery issue isn't one at all. Bought the charge kit and haven't boughten batteries in over 2 years.

[Twigg4075]

How much was that PS3 with all those features when it launched?

Are you trying to be coy? We've went over this 1000 times but I'll be happy to indulge again.

It was $600. Back then a stand alone bluray player was , what, $400? So you got a bluray player, gaming machine, included wireless, free online, all for that price.

The same for 360? Well, bluray wasn't an option but they did offer an add-on HD-DVD later for $200. Again, an option, I know. Right there you are at the cost of the PS3. Add in a year of Live for $50, play-n-charge for $30 (or was it $40) and a wireless adapter for $100. That's $780 for the equivalent you got with PS3. And if you wanted to upgrade to a 60gb har drive to match the PS3 you would have to shell out another $100. Don't even get me started on that bullshit memory units.

[SethMode]

Are you trying to be coy? We've went over this 1000 times but I'll be happy to indulge again.

It was $600. Back then a stand alone bluray player was , what, $400? So you got a bluray player, gaming machine, included wireless, free online, all for that price.

The same for 360? Well, bluray wasn't an option but they did offer an add-on HD-DVD later for $200. Again, an option, I know. Right there you are at the cost of the PS3. Add in a year of Live for $50, play-n-charge for $30 (or was it $40) and a wireless adapter for $100. That's $780 for the equivalent you got with PS3. And if you wanted to upgrade to a 60gb har drive to match the PS3 you would have to shell out another $100. Don't even get me started on that bullshit memory units.

Twigg, your level of vitriol for the 360 is beyond comprehension. This isn't in direct response to what I quoted, more just in response to your position in general on the subject. You get SO pissed off about this stuff, yet you fall into the same supposed "traps" as everyone else. For example: you piss and moan about the MS Points system, yet you still participate with them. You piss and moan about the rising costs of Arcade games, but you buy them. You piss and moan about shit that MS does in general, yet you still buy games for the system. I don't get it, to be honest. I'm not calling you out here or anything, but it just doesn't make sense. It's a market based on the consumer. MS wants to make a profit and sees that it can continue to make larger profits because people are going to still buy the stuff (and this is at the simplest level, not even including rising costs of EVERYTHING). Then you, the supposed white knight in this story, come rolling in on this shining steed of yours and grandstand about the principle of the issue and all of that. But honestly, it's bullshit. Unless you're a communist, you have no business arguing or bitching about MS increasing prices for services or items. Your ONLY responsibility as a consumer in a free market, is to show your personal disdain for the product by not paying for it. That's it.

Other than that, nothing else makes sense. You're never going to convince someone like myself, who enjoys Live and would pay an extra 10 for it, to stop. If it gets too high for my own personal taste, that'll be when I stop subscribing, just like everyone else out there.

[Houston]

I can get an hour of entertainment for free on a dvd player, or on a PS3.

lol...no.



The average non Blu-Ray DVD is is about 20 dollars. Even if you round up and say the average movie is 2 hours long, that gives you 10 dollars per hour of entertainment.

You can watch that DVD 200 times and it's gonna be the same exact thing, but you never get the same experience out of XBL.

Not to mention the fact that DVD players don't fall out of the sky, you have to pay for them too....

[Twigg4075]

Twigg, your level of vitriol for the 360 is beyond comprehension. This isn't in direct response to what I quoted, more just in response to your position in general on the subject. You get SO pissed off about this stuff, yet you fall into the same supposed "traps" as everyone else. For example: you piss and moan about the MS Points system, yet you still participate with them. You piss and moan about the rising costs of Arcade games, but you buy them. You piss and moan about shit that MS does in general, yet you still buy games for the system. I don't get it, to be honest. I'm not calling you out here or anything, but it just doesn't make sense. It's a market based on the consumer. MS wants to make a profit and sees that it can continue to make larger profits because people are going to still buy the stuff (and this is at the simplest level, not even including rising costs of EVERYTHING). Then you, the supposed white knight in this story, come rolling in on this shining steed of yours and grandstand about the principle of the issue and all of that. But honestly, it's bullshit. Unless you're a communist, you have no business arguing or bitching about MS increasing prices for services or items. Your ONLY responsibility as a consumer in a free market, is to show your personal disdain for the product by not paying for it. That's it.

Other than that, nothing else makes sense. You're never going to convince someone like myself, who enjoys Live and would pay an extra 10 for it, to stop. If it gets too high for my own personal taste, that'll be when I stop subscribing, just like everyone else out there.

Microsoft Points- What other choice do I have on 360? Can you honestly tell me they aren't stupid as shit and just a marketing ploy to confuse people? Honestly?
Yes I buy arcade games. The only arcade game I've played full price for any time recently was Lara Croft. That game is awesome and is well worth $15. Had it came out for the PS3 day and date, hell if there just wasn't going to be free DLC on 360, no question I would've went PS3.Oh yeah, and Limbo. That game was very good too but I wish I could get $5 back somehow. I definitely bought into the hype. But that was a 360 exclusive so it's a moot point.
The only games I really buy for 360 these days are exclusives. All my multiplatform games are PS3 now. One, because I can't stand MS's marketing strategy and 2) all my friends play on PS3.
Yes, I bitch. I bitch about the PS3 all the time as well, but it's funny how that shit never blows up. Probably because the so called "PS3 fanboys" take it as a legitimate gripe, we discuss it and move on. For some reason when I make a derogatory comment about the almighty 360 some people around here act like I'm attacking one of their own children.

The bottom line is that I love gaming. I will play my 360 as long as it still continues to work. If it breaks and it;s out of warranty I assure you I'll be done with it. Come next console cycle? I probably won't give MS any of my money although I will never say never because I am such a huge gamer. The problem now is that I am thoroughly invested in this thing. Thousands of dollars that I will never get back so I will ride it out and complain about bullshit to my hearts content.

I just can't stand MS's marketing strategy. It seems like everything they do nowadays totally bends us over. I think they've done plenty of awesome things though. For one, I was just discussing with my wife how I love some of the little things about Live. I like how when I leave my game idle it shows that I'm idle in Game X. It also shows whether I'm playing multiplayer or campaign. Great information for people on my friends list that may be thinking about inviting me to something or not.

All I do is ask that you same motherfuckers call me out when I bitch about some stupid shit that Sony does. But I guess it's ok for me to complain about that and not about the almighty 360. Hail MS!

[leaffan]

I honestly probably know more about the tech than most of you fags claiming to know what you are talking about. I know how to program for the machines. You just know you have read about or what others tell you.

[KNUBB]

How about you make a point dumbass instead of coming in a debate with a smiley you dumb piece of shit

[leaffan]

How about you make a point dumbass instead of coming in a debate with a smiley you dumb piece of shit

Because I've made the same points on the same subjects forever and for one reason or another people won't change their minds. All I try and do is inject common sense into half these threads and people either just don't read it or are too blind with their fanboy rage that they can't accept simple facts.

So I'll post pictures smilies and whatever the fuck I feel like posting since people are either to stupid to read or goto google.com and do about 5mins of fuckin research.

[KNUBB]

Because I've made the same points on the same subjects forever and for one reason or another people won't change their minds. All I try and do is inject common sense into half these threads and people either just don't read it or are too blind with their fanboy rage that they can't accept simple facts.

So I'll post pictures smilies and whatever the fuck I feel like posting since people are either to stupid to read or goto google.com and do about 5mins of fuckin research.

[I LastWish I]

over / under on the last time Leaffan got laid?

[leaffan]

 

 

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[jms493]

Thread of the year......good discussion IMO.

[Twigg4075]

I would like to add them I've been playing the shit out of my 360 for probably the last two months. Between both Call of Juarez games, Borderlands, Lara Croft, Metro 2033, Rogue Warrior (a whole 3 three hours, LOL) and now Saboteur. Plus I have Bioshock 2, Singularity and Wolfenstein after that.

So save all the "Twigg hates Xbox" garbage. I just can't stand some of Microsoft's (are you happy I spelled it out Leaf?) policies. Just like I can't stand a lot of Sony's policies.

[leaffan]

over / under on the last time Leaffan got laid?

lulz... make sure you keep up with your spamming anyone with computer knowledge this semester when you can't figure out how to make your card counting computer program or whatever the fuck lame project your teacher assigns you to work on this year.