Falcons release Vick

[FirstTimer]

I can say I'd take Vick over LT in that draft because Vick was what the Falcons needed, he provided a face for the team and made the Falcons exciting to watch. The Vick time line is well worth the 6 years imo so I can honestly say I'd take Vick over LT in that draft.

Certified football retard.

Like the Falcons couldn't use a HOF running back.

Nope, they needed a mediocre QB to play 6 seasons.

Dunn improved because the offensive line improved

So they improved for teh game when Vick wasn't playing but when Vick game back they regressed? You're joking right?

[Hasselbeck]

That's just it, Bust insinuates he did not do anything for his team in a positive sense.

Vick did do positive things for Atlanta

Ron Dayne did nothing for New York

Ryan Leaf did nothing for San Diego

Brian Bosworth did nothing for Seattle

the list goes on and on.

if anything, it's a differen't opinion on what insuates or makes a player a "bust".

I don't think vick was a bust, I don't think he completely lived up to the hype, but Atlanta wanted a guy that could win games, they got a guy who took them to the playoffs multiple years and even had a conference title game appearence, he holds NFL records, whatever they may be, and he was more often then not an electrifying player on the field.

Wasn't a great player, maybe not even a good player, but the guy won some big games. and not because he had a supporting cast.

A #1 pick should not leave the franchise until they retire.

A #1 pick should not be replaced by a 3rd overall pick at the same position .. when said #1 pick was only 26 years old.

A #1 pick should not have a career rating of 75.7

Period.

He's a bust.

[j.hen]

Spin it in my favor?

What?

The context of Peerless Price was obvious. What the hell are you talking about? The context of bringing Price in was that The Falcons never brought guys in for Vick. They did. Horn was one of them. Unless they brought him in for Harrington knowing that Vick was running a dog fighting ring.....?

So they brought Horn in to hurt Vick? What other reason would they have to bring Horn in? To teach Roddy White TD's celebrations?

You spun it in your favor because not only did you assume Horn played with Vick, you assumed wrong. Then you backtracked and said that someone here pointed out the Falcons never brought in help for Vick, which is obviously BS, of course the team tried to bring in guys to help Vick.

Horn wasnt brought in for Vick so much as he was brought in for the Falcon's young receivers in Roddy White and Michael Jenkins. He was a mentor for Roddy especially and helped turn his swag on.

[Kuzzy Powers]

A #1 pick should not leave the franchise until they retire.

Period.

Thus he's a bust.

Hah, you might want to word that better. Lots of #1 picks end up leaving the franchise that drafted them but shouldnt be considered busts.

[FirstTimer]

Yes, you're trying to spin it like you werent wrong from the beginning.

Just no. It's called "context of the argument". Joe Horn was brought in to help Mike Vick. That's why he was listed.

They brought in Horn bcus it was low risk and they were hoping he MIGHT be a shell of his former self. .

Because if he was.....he would help Vick. It's not as though if they brought him in and he sucked they would leave him on the field simply to hurt Vick.

Horn was brought into help Vick. That was the context.

[Kuzzy Powers]

No, thats the context you want it to be bcus you were wrong from the jump. Its ok to be wrong once in a while you know..

And even if you want to go by that "context" the Falcons did a terrible job of bringing in help. As Horn was a washed up bum by that point.

[Hasselbeck]

Hah, you might want to word that better. Lots of #1 picks end up leaving the franchise that drafted them but shouldnt be considered busts.

I probably could.. but the other things I listed kind of show where I was going with that.

The point is.. Matt Ryan would not be an Atlanta Falcon if Vick weren't a bust.

[j.hen]

Just no. It's called "context of the argument". Joe Horn was brought in to help Mike Vick. That's why he was listed.

The Falcons knew Joe Horn was on the down side of his career, they knew he physically wasnt capable of what he thought he was. But they gave him a fat contract to basically come in and be a WR mentor. The guy was on the sidelines in street clothes wearing a coaching headset for the ladder part of the season.

[j.hen]

The point is.. Matt Ryan would not be an Atlanta Falcon if Vick weren't a bust.

THANK YOU!!!


I said that 40 posts ago and everyone treated me like I was speaking in some foreign voodoo language. I respect Vick for what he did when he was playing for Atlanta but I'm happier with this new team that was able to form because of Vick's absence.

[FirstTimer]

You spun it in your favor because not only did you assume Horn played with Vick, you assumed wrong.

Umm, no I didnt.

I assumed nothing.

I knew the Falcons brought in Horn to help Vick. Just as they had done with Price, White and Jenkins.

Then you backtracked and said that someone here pointed out the Falcons never brought in help for Vick

Umm No again. The entire context of discussiong Vick's WR's (or lackthere of) depending on where you stand was that he didn't have Moss, Carter, Rice, Owens. Well the Falcons went out and tried to get him help. Tried to give him weapons. Horn was one of those attempts....no matter you feel of Joe Horn.

That's it.

of course the team tried to bring in guys to help Vick.

And Price failed with him, Horn never got the chance, and White and Jenkins failed until he left.

Horn wasnt brought in for Vick so much as he was brought in for the Falcon's young receivers in Roddy White and Michael Jenkins. He was a mentor for Roddy especially and helped turn his swag on.

So they signed him for 4 years? That's a hell of an apprenticeship

So it was for TD's celebrations!

[Hasselbeck]

I can say I'd take Vick over LT in that draft because Vick was what the Falcons needed, he provided a face for the team and made the Falcons exciting to watch. The Vick time line is well worth the 6 years imo so I can honestly say I'd take Vick over LT in that draft.

LOL. Terrible argument. LT isn't the face of the Chargers franchise? The Falcons could have had a chance to draft both LT and Brees.. those two guys aren't "faces" of their respected franchises?

Seeing LT break the TD record and Brees throw for 4000 yards a year isn't exciting?

Getting Vick inevitably led to the Falcon team of today, where the team has a complete offense with every piece of the puzzle needed to win on the offensive side of the ball.

You're right. Vick's ineptness at QB paired with a terrible decision off the field led to them drafting Matt Ryan.

Vick's absence also led to them signing a running back (Mike's that amazing I guess) that would post career numbers and finish 2nd in rushing on the year.

The bottom line with all this for me is that Vick made the Falcons exciting and the time he spent in ATL up until Matt Ryan took over was something I enjoyed seeing. Matt Ryan makes the Falcons relevant though, something Vick could not do consistently enough.

To me.. winning and contending is more exciting than a QB scrambling around because he couldn't hit water if he landed out of a boat.

That's just me though.

[Hasselbeck]

THANK YOU!!!


I said that 40 posts ago and everyone treated me like I was speaking in some foreign voodoo language. I respect Vick for what he did when he was playing for Atlanta but I'm happier with this new team that was able to form because of Vick's absence.

Yeah.. but to get to this point.. the franchise had to unravel.. BECAUSE of Vick's actions.

I mean - if you pick a guy #1 overall and give him a $100 million dollar contract.. I'd expect a little more out of that investment.

[FirstTimer]

The Falcons knew Joe Horn was on the down side of his career, they knew he physically wasnt capable of what he thought he was. But they gave him a fat contract to basically come in and be a WR mentor. The guy was on the sidelines in street clothes wearing a coaching headset for the ladder part of the season.

Step or fire?

[j.hen]

LOL. Terrible argument. LT isn't the face of the Chargers franchise? The Falcons could have had a chance to draft both LT and Brees.. those two guys aren't "faces" of their respected franchises?

Seeing LT break the TD record and Brees throw for 4000 yards a year isn't exciting?

Okay first off, the whole argument of me taking Vick over LT in that draft is because the time line. Vick was exciting to watch on the field and was worth the 6 years and then 1 year of BS until Matt Ryan and the new gang take over.

And bringing Drew Brees into all this is just dumb, come on. The Falcons went with the appealing potential phenom QB in Vick with their first pick instead of LT. The Falcons taking Brees later is just pushing the whole thing too far and pointless to bring up.

You're right. Vick's ineptness at QB paired with a terrible decision off the field led to them drafting Matt Ryan.

Vick's absence also led to them signing a running back (Mike's that amazing I guess) that would post career numbers and finish 2nd in rushing on the year.

lol yeah no shit. I dont see why you're giving off this sarcastic vibe. I'm not saying Vick was the greatest, but his dumbass choices brought Matt Ryan to the team.

Michael Turner would not have went to Atlanta if Vick was still playing today. Petrino was brought in specifically to make Vick into a great passer (ha) and after Vick got in trouble Petrino bailed.

Had Vick not got in trouble, Petrino would of stuck around, the Falcons would not have needed the massive over haul in personnel and Dimitroff would not have gotten brought in. Dimitroff went out and signed Michael Turner because he saw what he could potentially provide for the team and he was right. So yes, Vick's dumb choices led to the new Falcon team.

To me.. winning and contending is more exciting than a QB scrambling around because he couldn't hit water if he landed out of a boat.

That's just me though.

Vick was winning and contending for part of the career, his problem was he couldnt be consistent with his style of play.

[j.hen]

Yeah.. but to get to this point.. the franchise had to unravel.. BECAUSE of Vick's actions.

I mean - if you pick a guy #1 overall and give him a $100 million dollar contract.. I'd expect a little more out of that investment.

Fair enough. I'm just looking at what he did on the field and what his poor decisions led to. Is Vick a great guy? I dont know nor could I care really. He was a good player while he was in Atlanta and was easily the greatest at what he did. If he could of had a full career he would of shattered every mark for running QBs.