Jacobs: Romo Isn't That Good

[RosettaStoned]

lol , Brees was choking a long time before Romo came along

Lets look at his impressive when tied or trailing by less than 7 when going into the 4th record . Im not 100% sure what it is (help nuke ;) ) but id say hes won 1 or 2 of them out of his last 20 attempts

Rivers is a winner , something i dont see in Brees at all . He was asked to lead the team this year without LT being on form and what do you know , he goes and leads the NFL in alot of the Major stats. He completly lit it up last year in his first year of being asked to be the leader of the offense . And dont mention the 8-8 record , Im suprised they managed 8wins with that shitty ass defense

What does Rivers have? 3 or 4 times more playoff wins than Bress has in the last 8years?

Chadman is fucking retarded. He tried to argue that Roddy White played against tough defenses last year.

[Archer]

Chadman is fucking retarded. He tried to argue that Roddy White played against tough defenses last year.

I have nothing better to do then to enlighten him with my reasoning right now

And yes he does say some retarded things

[Archer]

In my opinion I think Romo is better than Brees. Yeah Brees had better stats but look at the offense. But I think Romo is a better QB even though I don't like the guy and like Archer said Brees is not really a winner. Romo is a winner in some games, you never know what your going to get when he's on the field, you ether get the good Romo or the bad.

Meh its iffy for me . I would probably take Brees right about now

[1ke]

In my opinion I think Romo is better than Brees. Yeah Brees had better stats but look at the offense. But I think Romo is a better QB even though I don't like the guy and like Archer said Brees is not really a winner. Romo is a winner in some games, you never know what your going to get when he's on the field, you ether get the good Romo or the bad.

Did you just say you never know what your gonna get with Bress, but with Romo its either good or bad.....

Whats the difference

[Chadman]

Rivers is a winner , something i dont see in Brees at all . He was asked to lead the team this year without LT being on form and what do you know , he goes and leads the NFL in alot of the Major stats. He completly lit it up last year in his first year of being asked to be the leader of the offense . And dont mention the 8-8 record , Im suprised they managed 8wins with that shitty ass defense

What does Rivers have? 3 or 4 times more playoff wins than Bress has in the last 8years?

Dont get me wrong I dont hate Brees as much as some people on here ;) but I would certainly have Rivers , Manning , Brady and Ben ahead of him

He has a better team come on now. You cant really say brees isnt a winner when the guys around him arent helping. That was the argument against manning before he got his ring..."he isnt a winner". And what do you know...the year he gets a defense, he wins a ring...in spite of how he played. Now rivers or brees supporting cast isnt that good, but rivers clearly has the edge. Later on in the season, the chargers made a turnaround as well, mainly on the defensive side as they got a new cordinator. Brees has had the same shitty defense for what, 2 years now. Last year he was throwing to a bunch of number 2s and 3s and almost broke dan marinos passing record. The saints were in playoff talks untill the bears saints game where his defense was owned by hester. Hes been performing as a top 5 qb for a while, hes been consistent, so thats why I give him the edge over Big Ben and Rivers. Consistency is the best judge of talent and Brees has been just that.

[Chadman]

I have nothing better to do then to enlighten him with my reasoning right now

And yes he does say some retarded things

to bad i cant say the same.

[Archer]

He has a better team come on now. You cant really say brees isnt a winner when the guys around him arent helping. That was the argument against manning before he got his ring..."he isnt a winner". And what do you know...the year he gets a defense, he wins a ring...in spite of how he played. Now rivers or brees supporting cast isnt that good, but rivers clearly has the edge. Later on in the season, the chargers made a turnaround as well, mainly on the defensive side as they got a new cordinator. Brees has had the same shitty defense for what, 2 years now. Last year he was throwing to a bunch of number 2s and 3s and almost broke dan marinos passing record. The saints were in playoff talks untill the bears saints game where his defense was owned by hester. Hes been performing as a top 5 qb for a while, hes been consistent, so thats why I give him the edge over Big Ben and Rivers. Consistency is the best judge of talent and Brees has been just that.

1 time he has won when being tied or down 3-7 going into the 4th in his last 17 attempts . Im sorry but that doesnt look like a winner to me . His defense aint making him do that

Peyton was actually the king of the 4th qtrs in the reg season before he got his ring unlike Brees who is still NOT the King of any 4th qtr

The Saints were an outside playoff shot before the Bears game lol , not a mainstream contender . And he broke a PASSING YARDS record , he threw for a shitload of yards in a system that opens up the whole book to him which is fair enough . Passing Yards isint as important as td/int , 4th qtr and so on

Im not saying hes a bad qb , hes just not in my top 5

[Archer]

to bad i cant say the same.

Didnt say you could , fortunatly i had lots of time on my hands

Unlike you it seems

[RosettaStoned]

He has a better team come on now. You cant really say brees isnt a winner when the guys around him arent helping. That was the argument against manning before he got his ring..."he isnt a winner". And what do you know...the year he gets a defense, he wins a ring...in spite of how he played. Now rivers or brees supporting cast isnt that good, but rivers clearly has the edge. Later on in the season, the chargers made a turnaround as well, mainly on the defensive side as they got a new cordinator. Brees has had the same shitty defense for what, 2 years now. Last year he was throwing to a bunch of number 2s and 3s and almost broke dan marinos passing record. The saints were in playoff talks untill the bears saints game where his defense was owned by hester. Hes been performing as a top 5 qb for a while, hes been consistent, so thats why I give him the edge over Big Ben and Rivers. Consistency is the best judge of talent and Brees has been just that.

Lmao, the Saints had a better defense than the Chargers last year, and the Chargers played against better defenses as well. The only thing Brees is consistent at is missing the playoffs. Calling Brees more consistent than Ben is laughable. Ben is 8-2 in the playoffs, only missing them once.

[1ke]

Lmao, the Saints had a better defense than the Chargers last year, and the Chargers played against better defenses as well. The only thing Brees is consistent at is missing the playoffs. Calling Brees more consistent than Ben is laughable. Ben is 8-2 in the playoffs, only missing them once.

This, I would like to add and its no slight on Ben, that his teams have always been better.

[RosettaStoned]

This, I would like to add and its no slight on Ben, that his teams have always been better.

He has always played against better comp too.

[The Messenger]

How do you make them look dumb? By rooting against their team that advanced in the playoffs? Bet that shows 'em.

Have you ever argued with the casual sports fan??? (i see the "I'm arguing with one now" reply coming so let's not use that).

[1ke]

He has always played against better comp too.

Obvious response....What? the NFC south pwns all!

[1ke]

I wouldn't say Brees doesn't have any help. Help doesn't always translate into wins especially when the team is always in a constant state of over achieving. The saints talent is simply lacking on defense. They haven't shown the commitment to getting talent on defense let alone sustaining it. And when you talk about wins and losts you can't disregard the obvious, there has to be some resemblance of a defense for success. They don't have to be the best defense or even 3rd or 5th best but you can't settle for a permanent spot in the 20's and worst.

They have tried to improve their D, Jason David, Mike McKenzie, Jonathan Vilma, They drafted Will Smith, and another D tackle. That is commitment to improving defense.

But we digress, Romo sucks donkey nuts, and is only hyped cuz of Dallas and his chubby gf

[Chadman]

1 time he has won when being tied or down 3-7 going into the 4th in his last 17 attempts . Im sorry but that doesnt look like a winner to me . His defense aint making him do that

Im not saying hes a bad qb , hes just not in my top 5

Where are you getting this from? Link?

Your top 5 Qbs? im curious.

Lmao, the Saints had a better defense than the Chargers last year, and the Chargers played against better defenses as well. The only thing Brees is consistent at is missing the playoffs. Calling Brees more consistent than Ben is laughable. Ben is 8-2 in the playoffs, only missing them once.

Are you sure about this? Well the numbers and rankings say otherwise as the saints defense gave up more points than the Chargers defense did. The chargers defense gave up 21.7 points per game, why the saints d gave up 24.6. When rounded off that is 3 more points. As far as yardage is concerned, the chargers defense gave up 350 yards per game while the saints defense gave up 340. Overall, considering how the saints defense doesnt stop teams from scoring, which is one of the goals for a defense, Id give the edge to the chargers defensively. On paper, talent wise, personel wise, its not an argument. The chargers defense is better. Im not even going to begin naming names because I shouldnt have to.

Ben bens team is way better? Football is a team sport or is it not? Big Ben has had a squad since he came into the league. His rookie year the steelers went 15-1. You know damn well they didnt win that many games because of him. He managed games yes, but was he elite as in top 5 no. lol trent dilfer has ring. Dilfer>brees?

Big Ben

2008 17 tds 15 ints 60% completion percentage
2007 32 tds 11 ints 65%
2006 18 tds 23 ints 60%
his rookie year 17 tds 11 ints. 295 passing attempts

And all this big ben talk. You act like its the pittsburgh big bens. No Its the pittsburgh steelers..once againt emphasizing team. When has big ben not had a defense that wasnt top 15 in the league? And his running game. Up untill this year big ben always had a running back to take the pressure off of him. Is a running game not a qbs best friend?


Check out drew brees's states

http://www.nfl.com/players/drewbrees/profile?id=BRE229498

34 tds 17 ints 65% 413 completions 635 attempts. Those numbers are amazing. Numbers that show that the qb is the teams leader on offense. Its his offensive unit.
Im not saying that the steelers offense wasnt big bens last year because it was. His o line was horrid. Any other qb would of died behind that line. But brees has carried the offense on his shoulders for the past few years now.

I wouldn't say Brees doesn't have any help. Help doesn't always translate into wins especially when the team is always in a constant state of over achieving. The saints talent is simply lacking on defense. They haven't shown the commitment to getting talent on defense let alone sustaining it. And when you talk about wins and losts you can't disregard the obvious, there has to be some resemblance of a defense for success. They don't have to be the best defense or even 3rd or 5th best but you can't settle for a permanent spot in the 20's and worst.

Is not having a defense not having help? Thats how I look at it. In football the defense helps the offense, the offense helps the defense. They go hand and hand. You cant win consistently without the other.