Hester wants bigger role as return man..

[Senser81]

That was never Smith's call.

That was Angelo's call from the get-go. When Angelo drafted Hester, his dream was to make him his no.1 receiver.

If thats true, then its weird how Hester was originally a defensive back on the Bears. Why not just make him a WR from the get-go?

[Kuzzy Powers]

So in 3 years Hester's "progress" has been the ability to catch?

Wow.

I'm impressed.



No he hasn't. He still makes the same mistakes he was making in 2007. He is just starting now so his stats are just inflated. He doesn't know the plays/reads/etc. His hands are still "meh". He has no feel for the position, he is still undersized, he looks slower than he use to. He's done nothing to show progression of any sort.


Devin Hester's long reception last season: 48 yards. His long reception has gone down each of the last 3 seasons.

Hester is not a good WR. Has not shown progress. And should return kicks and maybe be sprinkled in as a 3rd Down RB/Slot WR role....That's it. The Bears insistance of trying to force a square peg into a round hole is baffling, idiotic, and embarassing.

Players Devin Hester had more yards then last year:

Austin Collie
Braylon Edwards
Bernard Berrian
Lee Evans
Roy Willliams
Laverneus Coles
Tedd Ginn

These are all guys that have blatantly been labelled as better then Devin Hester. They're all seeing the field as much as Devin, to boot, and majority of which are playing in a better offense then ours.

Try not to be ignorant for a second and consider what the word progress means. If you go from barely being able to catch a football, to actually being able to contribute, you're progressing. If you catch more balls from one year to the next, in less games played to boot, you're progressing. Hester has 3 catches of over 40+ yards this year. The 2 deep threats in NO (Meachem and Henderson) also have 3 catches of 40+ yards, and thats the most explosive pass offense in the NFL. Greg Jennings went over 40 yards 5 times. Andre Johnson went over 7 times.. Miles Austin 6.. Pierre Garcon 3.. Randy Moss 5. AJ, Austin, Moss are all elite players.. but in comparison to the deep threats of high powered offenses (Indy, GB, NO), Hester is right there with their best deep threats in terms of catchs over 40 yards (while playing less, I might add). Dude has the break-away speed to be a deep threat.. and if his hands were a little better he probably would've had on or two more catches of 50+.

Noone is calling the guy a world burner.. I just said hes progressed. And I think he'll continue to do so. The guy wasnt even top 20 in the league in drops, which would probably shock people. Point is.. hes getting a ton of unwarranted hate like hes a terrible receiver, and reality is he isnt. He does things to help, he mixes it with some things to hurt.. hes just highly mediocre at this point. Use him for what hes good at and he can be a valuable piece in both the offense and the return game.

[FirstTimer]

That was never Smith's call.

Bull.

Smith and Angelo were both on board with that choice.

Eve if Angelo wanted it, the bottom line is Smith is the coach and it's his team to run.

The final choice of who you put on the field and where at is Smith's call.

Both him and Angelo are fucking idiots for the Hester move.

[RainboUnicorn]

he had more td's returning kicks/punts each of his first two years than he did being a receiver the last 3 years.

Being a full time receiver I believe no doubt hurts his return game (not to mention lack of kick returns because of it). He even said so himself he was so effective his first two years because when he came in his legs were fresh.

And I do believe with him returning kicks full time we have better field position and his yardage output helps more in that area than being a receiver.

Some people think it's pathetic that we are talking about a return man but he was 2 return td's away from the career record after his 2nd season.

His talent as a WR can be equalled. His talent as a return man cannot.

[Kuzzy Powers]

he had more td's returning kicks/punts each of his first two years than he did being a receiver the last 3 years.

Being a full time receiver I believe no doubt hurts his return game (not to mention lack of kick returns because of it). He even said so himself he was so effective his first two years because when he came in his legs were fresh.

And I do believe with him returning kicks full time we have better field position and his yardage output helps more in that area than being a receiver.

Some people think it's pathetic that we are talking about a return man but he was 2 return td's away from the career record after his 2nd season.

His talent as a WR can be equalled. His talent as a return man cannot.

Im not arguing that hes not better @ being a return guy, thats obvious to everyone. Im just saying he gets a ton more hate as a WR then he deserves to get. If they decided today they were going to abandon him as a WR and just focus on him returning kicks, I would be in support of the move. I dont know how much work is done in practice as far as Kick returns go, but if its really effecting his time in practice in either area, then maybe thats contributing to the lack of return yards/TDs.. but the fact that the Bears completely abandoned him as the KR and only use him on PRs now isnt helping his return numbers, either.

[Senser81]

Players Devin Hester had more yards then last year:

Austin Collie
Braylon Edwards
Bernard Berrian
Lee Evans
Roy Willliams
Laverneus Coles
Tedd Ginn

These are all guys that have blatantly been labelled as better then Devin Hester. They're all seeing the field as much as Devin, to boot, and majority of which are playing in a better offense then ours.

Good for Hester, but I would assume that is more of a reflection on the lack of decent Bears WRs than anything Hester did. Devin Aromoshodu (sp?) came in at the tail end of the season and was immediately better than Hester. Most of the guys you listed weren't even regular starters last year, and/or were injured.

Hester has 3 catches of over 40+ yards this year. The 2 deep threats in NO (Meachem and Henderson) also have 3 catches of 40+ yards, and thats the most explosive pass offense in the NFL. Greg Jennings went over 40 yards 5 times. Andre Johnson went over 7 times.. Miles Austin 6.. Pierre Garcon 3.. Randy Moss 5. AJ, Austin, Moss are all elite players.. but in comparison to the deep threats of high powered offenses (Indy, GB, NO), Hester is right there with their best deep threats in terms of catchs over 40 yards (while playing less, I might add). Dude has the break-away speed to be a deep threat.. and if his hands were a little better he probably would've had on or two more catches of 50+.

I think this is the first time I've seen someone rate a WRs ability be a single-season 40+ yard catch tally. Even more incredible is the fact that Hester's grand total of 3 40+ yard catches is nothing special. Its like saying that Sandy Koufax threw only 5 more no-hitters than Chuck Rainey, so Rainey must be decent.

Solid post, though.

[FirstTimer]

Players Devin Hester had more yards then last year:

Austin Collie
Braylon Edwards
Bernard Berrian
Lee Evans
Roy Willliams
Laverneus Coles
Tedd Ginn

So your argument for Hester showing progress over the last 3 years as a #1 is that he has more yards than:

A rookie #3 WR.

A WR who played for the BROWNS QB's and a rookie QB in New York

The Minnesota Vikings #2 WR behind Rice who played hurt all season

The Buffalo Bills #2 who was catching passes from Trent Edwards, Ryan Fitzpatrick and Brian Brohm.

A Busted #1 WR pick who has had ONE 1,000 yard season in his career and is perhaps the most overrated WR in the NFL. Who was also the Cowboys 3rd option behind Miles and Witten.

A 32 year old #2 WR.

And a WR that was outperformed by: Devone Bess, Greg Caramillo and Brian Hartline?Also a a guy who is universally mocked for having the "dropsies"


Wow. I'm REALLY impressed Hester had more yards than those guys!

LOL

Your argument sucks.

Johnny Knox and Devin Aromoshodu showed more progress this season as a WR than Hester has in 3 seasons. You can't name one thing Hester does better now than he did 3 years ago when Moose was helpign him line up during plays.

These are all guys that have blatantly been labelled as better then Devin Hester.

Because all of them are? Hester is the Bears #1 WR and your argument revolves around showing off passing yards of guys who are barely #2's..and in most case in offenses with much worse QB's and who threw the ball much less...or very badly.

How can you not grasp that?

If you go from barely being able to catch a football

Read reports coming out of camp for the Bears years ago raving about Hester's great hands. Hester could always catch. So just stop.

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If you catch more balls from one year to the next, in less games played to boot, you're progressing.

Hester caught moreballs because the Bears had no running game, a better QB, and were throwing the ball more. Simply because a player ptus up better stats doesn't mean he is getting any "better" at playing the game. There are other factors. All of which you are ignoring.

Quit being a fucking idiot.

And I think he'll continue to do so.

Hester is what he is and always will be. A shitty WR.

Quit living in a fantasy land.

hes getting a ton of unwarranted hate like hes a terrible receiver, and reality is he isnt.

Yes he is.

Hester fucking sucks. The second Knox and Aromoshdu stepped on the field this year they were better.

Quit acting like a fucking clown.

[Rush]

It wasn't Hester's fault his longest reception was 48 yards. There were MANY times where Jay Cutler simply overthrew/underthrew him when he clearly had the coverage beat. Hester had a lot of balls thrown his way too that were just shitty passes.

For somebody who never played WR until he got to the highest level of football, he's done alright in my eyes. I would love to see him be a slot/gadget type WR and see his return abilities return.

Correct me if I am wrong but when he wanted to play more WR, all of a sudden he sucked at returning kicks. That is why his role diminished because he wasn't doing jack shit. I think he had 1 big return past the 50.

[ram29jackson]

Hesters an athlete. but i'm not sure he can think his way out of a paper bag. can he learn more plays and routes and be consistant ?

[Kuzzy Powers]

Good for Hester, but I would assume that is more of a reflection on the lack of decent Bears WRs than anything Hester did. Devin Aromoshodu (sp?) came in at the tail end of the season and was immediately better than Hester. Most of the guys you listed weren't even regular starters last year, and/or were injured.

Not true.. all those guys were starters on their team and played as many, if not more games then Devin (maybe Ginn saw the field less, but its a similar situation to Hester's in which they wanted him on the field to help him progress). Id have to check how many of these guys were targetted, but those guys were all seeing the field enough to contribute as much as Devin.

Im really not trying to say Hester is a great receiver, or even a good one. Infact, id rather have DA, Bennet, or even Konxville on the field over him, and use him as a gadget guy. I just think hes getting some unjustified hate that is unwarranted IMO.

[Kuzzy Powers]

So your argument for Hester showing progress over the last 3 years as a #1 is that he has more yards than:

A rookie #3 WR.

A WR who played for the BROWNS QB's and a rookie QB in New York

The Minnesota Vikings #2 WR behind Rice who played hurt all season

The Buffalo Bills #2 who was catching passes from Trent Edwards, Ryan Fitzpatrick and Brian Brohm.

A Busted #1 WR pick who has had ONE 1,000 yard season in his career and is perhaps the most overrated WR in the NFL. Who was also the Cowboys 3rd option behind Miles and Witten.

A 32 year old #2 WR.

And a WR that was outperformed by: Devone Bess, Greg Caramillo and Brian Hartline?Also a a guy who is universally mocked for having the "dropsies"


Wow. I'm REALLY impressed Hester had more yards than those guys!

LOL

Your argument sucks.

Johnny Knox and Devin Aromoshodu showed more progress this season as a WR than Hester has in 3 seasons. You can't name one thing Hester does better now than he did 3 years ago when Moose was helpign him line up during plays.




Because all of them are? Hester is the Bears #1 WR and your argument revolves around showing off passing yards of guys who are barely #2's..and in most case in offenses with much worse QB's and who threw the ball much less...or very badly.

How can you not grasp that?




Read reports coming out of camp for the Bears years ago raving about Hester's great hands. Hester could always catch. So just stop.

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Hester caught moreballs because the Bears had no running game, a better QB, and were throwing the ball more. Simply because a player ptus up better stats doesn't mean he is getting any "better" at playing the game. There are other factors. All of which you are ignoring.

Quit being a fucking idiot.


Hester is what he is and always will be. A shitty WR.

Quit living in a fantasy land.

Yes he is.

Hester fucking sucks. The second Knox and Aromoshdu stepped on the field this year they were better.

Quit acting like a fucking clown.

Excuses, excuses. Keep on hating. You excel at it.

[FirstTimer]

It wasn't Hester's fault his longest reception was 48 yards. There were MANY times where Jay Cutler simply overthrew/underthrew him when he clearly had the coverage beat. Hester had a lot of balls thrown his way too that were just shitty passes.

Knox and DA both had longer passes than Hester and were better as soon as they stepped on the field. hester is overrated as a deep threat he can't get behind anyone because everyone assumes he can only go deep because his rute runnign sucks. Yea Cutler missed him against the Eagles. Big Whoop.

For somebody who never played WR until he got to the highest level of football, he's done alright in my eyes. I would love to see him be a slot/gadget type WR and see his return abilities return.

That's what they did in 2007

Correct me if I am wrong but when he wanted to play more WR, all of a sudden he sucked at returning kicks. That is why his role diminished because he wasn't doing jack shit. I think he had 1 big return past the 50.

Incorrect. Hester's second season he played mroe WR and still did great return wise. His 3rd year they wanted to move him to WR full time as the #1 and the staff made the choice to scale back his returning so he could "concentrate" on being a WR.

[Senser81]

Im really not trying to say Hester is a great receiver, or even a good one. Infact, id rather have DA, Bennet, or even Konxville on the field over him, and use him as a gadget guy. I just think hes getting some unjustified hate that is unwarranted IMO.

I think the "hate" is more towards the Bears organization for deceiving themselves and everyone else and trying to say Hester is a #1 WR. For a guy with great speed and alleged game-breaking ability, I really don't think defenses gameplan against Hester or do anything different to account for him. IMO, Hester hasn't really distinguished himself as being different from any other below-average Bear WR.

[FirstTimer]

Excuses, excuses. Keep on hating. You excel at it.

Ha. LOL at "hating".

I said before this year on this very board I hoped Hester goes off and proves me wrong. Predictably he didn't.

I'd love to see Hester turn into Steve Smith or anyone decent. But he never will because he has no feel for the position. But I guess as long as he puts up better numbers than most teams #3 options you'll be happy.


LOL even more at excuses. When your argument for him progressing revolves around his ability to catch now and his ability to out produce Tedd Ginn and the Colts #4 option.

[Kuzzy Powers]

I think the "hate" is more towards the Bears organization for deceiving themselves and everyone else and trying to say Hester is a #1 WR. For a guy with great speed and alleged game-breaking ability, I really don't think defenses gameplan against Hester or do anything different to account for him. IMO, Hester hasn't really distinguished himself as being different from any other below-average Bear WR.

But us as fans should've known that labeling him the #1 WR was simply a formability. But in fairness, it was retarded on the organizations behalf because it created expectations that were not obtainable and probably put some unneeded pressure on Devin aswell. I would never argue that Hester is a #1 WR, he isnt.. but I dont think anyone really is on our team. The coaching staff should've presented it as just having a WR core instead of really labeling anyone as the #1, because noone deserved that distinction.