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Sanchez did pretty well despite him having Brian Schottenheimer as his OC...wonder why the Jets offense does infinitely better in the 2nd half of games rather than the 1st half? It's because this bastard's first 15 plays blow dick.
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Your entire post contradicts itself, it is kind of sad really. How is it a team game for the Jets but for the Bucs it is all because of Freeman? How do the numbers not lie but Freeman's are godly when compared to Sanchez's?
You have to take off your homer goggles because you just keep becoming more and more retarded. When did I EVER say Sanchez was elite? In fact if you read my previous post you would have seen that I said he wasn't elite yet.
Now you are judging how good Freeman is on the fact that he "didn't suck" in any game this season? Are you kidding me?
L vs Pitt. Freeman was 20/31 for 184 yards and 1 INT.
L vs Atlanta. Freeman was 11/22 for 189 yards, 2 TD, 2 INT
L vs Atlanta. Freeman was 19/38 for 181 yards 1 TD, 1 INT
L vs NO. Freeman was 25/43 for 219 yards and 1 TD
W vs Cleveland. Freeman was 17/29 for 182 yards, 2 TD, 1 INT
W vs Carolina. Freeman was 12/24 for 178 yards, 2 TD
L vs Baltimore. Freeman was 17/37 for 162 yards, 1 TD
W vs San Fran. Freeman was 12/20 for 136 yards, 2 TD
That's not sucking? You ACTUALLY consider that playing well? Are you fucking kidding me? Freeman is as average as they come.
There you go playing the hypothetical game again. You don't know what the fuck would happen if the roles were reversed. Obviously you say Freeman is better because his cock is balls deep in your throat. He isn't on Sanchez's level. I have NEVER seen someone being hyped up so much for one of the most average season's ever. And on top of that you are trying to compare him to a guy who has won 4 road playoff games in his first 2 seasons in the NFL?
Sanchez's playoff stats:
2009-2010: 41/68, 539 yards, 4 TD, 2 INT
2010-2011: 54/89, 616 yards, 5 TD, 1 INT
6 road playoff games, 1,115 yards, 9 TDs, 3 INTs, 4 wins. Give me that over Freeman's one average season any day of the week.Comment
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Cry some more. If it aint one thing its another. It isnt enough to have 1st round talent at every position on offense surrounding him, u want to cr about your OC as if Bucs fans didnt have some WTF moments in regards to Greg Olson this year.
Anyways, Bucs were nothing but a second half team all season. Check the box scores. But while we were having a time getting the offense rolling Freeman didnt go out there and throw a pick or 2 and put us is a hole.
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Sanchez, is crap. But he is also good late.
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Contradiction? Are you really that stupid? Lets just bold what we want to and use it out of context. Is it not clear that a team like the Colts win because of Manning and not in spite of? Not saying Freeman is Manning but it is the same situation. The Bucs went as far as Freeman took them. Can you really sit here and say the same shit about Sanchez? Had we went into the season with an average ass QB like him my head coach is looking for a job right now. Freeman is a franchise QB while Sanchez will only be as good as the weapons around him.
You can post all the stats you want until you are blue in the face. You obviously havent watched him play. If I talk shit about a Cowboys player its because Ive seen about 13 or 14 of your games this season. If I talk shit about Sanchez its because I see him every other week not because I can go on NFL.com and act as if I know WTF I am talking about because I can pull up some stats. Ask anyone who is a fan of the opposite team how Freeman looked in those games.
His game dont lie and his pedestrian ass stats dont lie. How anyone can call a 10 win season BECAUSE of a 2nd year QB along with the numbers he put up average is beyond me. This dude who's ass you kissing, with all these weapons around him managed to be the 27th best QB in the league according to his QB rating. Freeman was 6th. What the fuck are you really talking about?
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And while you hatings ass know it alls who really dont know shit keep posting your bullshit opinions, sip on this a little.
While that playoff shit is all good an well, you see a nuetral party who doesnt formulate his opinion based on (ironically) the shit that ESPN feeds him.
NFC South MVP: Josh Freeman
Josh Freeman threw for 3,451 yards this season, with 25 touchdown passes and six interceptions.
Let's not even bother with the setup. Let's just open the envelope and read what's inside.
The NFC South Most Valuable Player for the 2010 season is ... Josh Freeman.
Go ahead, start yelling and screaming in New Orleans and Atlanta. Throw eggs or whatever, but just be aware that I've got the alarm system on and since Jahri Evans, Carl Nicks, Harvey Dahl and Justin Blalock are worried about the possibility of a lockout, I've hired them as guards.
Yep, I picked Freeman over Drew Brees and Matt Ryan. I picked him over Michael Turner and Roddy White too.
Let's be real clear: I'm not saying Freeman is a better quarterback than Brees, who is going to the Hall of Fame someday. I'm not even saying Freeman's better than Ryan, who has had three very nice years. I'm not even saying Freeman had a better season than Brees and Ryan or even Turner and White.
Go back and read the second paragraph and circle the word valuable. That's really the crux of all this. There are lots of ways you can give out MVP awards. But if you put the emphasis solely on the value a player had to his team, Freeman wins in a landslide.
That thought hit me Sunday morning on a plane from Atlanta to Tampa. I'd given some thought to Turner and White, but was pretty much ready to flip a coin to decide between Brees and Ryan. They both had nice regular seasons and they both got bounced in their first playoff games.
In other words, Brees and Ryan did exactly what was expected of them in the regular season, and I don't mean to sell that short as an accomplishment because the bar was set sky high for both of them. But did either of them really do anything special? Anything that was beyond expectations?
When I thought about it in those terms, that's when Freeman's name hit me and this decision was made.
"I think the most important thing is, in just about every game this season, Josh at least had us in a position to win the game,'' Tampa Bay general manager Mark Dominik said. "With a young team, that was hugely important, and he allowed us to accelerate our process. That made him incredibly valuable to us.''
I'll take it a little further than Dominik and say Freeman meant everything to the Buccaneers. He carried that team all season. For those who weren't paying attention, like the 30,000 who weren't showing up for games at Raymond James Stadium or the millions who couldn't watch Tampa Bay's games because they were blacked out on local television, the Bucs went from being 3-13 and a national embarrassment in 2009 to a 10-6 team that barely missed the playoffs.
Nobody expected anything close to that. And nobody expected anything like that from a quarterback who didn't celebrate his 23rd birthday until after the season was over, and who created an instant army of critics when Dominik made the then-ridiculous move of trading a sixth-round pick to move up and draft Freeman in 2009.
Everything Dominik and coach Raheem Morris did in 2009 seemed ridiculous. They signed Derrick Ward, fired both coordinators by midseason and lost a lot of games. But it turned out they did one thing right.
They drafted Freeman and, in his first season as a full-time starter, he made a lot of other things look right. He threw for 3,451 yards, 25 touchdowns and six interceptions. His touchdown-to-interception ratio was one of the 10 best in history, and he also used his legs to win games.
More than anything, Freeman used his back to carry the Buccaneers. Tampa Bay had the league's lowest payroll and had the youngest roster in the league and, if you really look at that roster, it wasn't all that good. Yes, some bright spots (running back LeGarrette Blount and receiver Mike Williams) emerged, but part of the reason they emerged was because they were playing with Freeman.
The Bucs had so many injuries on the offensive line that, by the end of the season, they were starting Ted Larsen, Jeremy Zuttah and Derek Hardman at the three interior positions. If you're not a close relative and had heard of any of those three before they were starting, it might be time to develop some other hobbies.
With all the changes around him, Freeman was the one constant. Other than his six interceptions, his stats didn't compare favorably to the numbers Brees and Ryan put up.
But let's do a little exercise here. Picture the Saints without Brees for a season. Put Chase Daniel in with all those weapons and Sean Payton calling the plays and the Saints still win a fair amount of games. Picture the Falcons with Chris Redman in for Ryan. It's the same thing. The Saints and the Falcons would at least be competitive without Brees and Ryan.
Now, picture the 2010 Buccaneers without Freeman. I say they would have been 0-16. If you disagree, go out to training camp this summer and watch a few plays with backups Josh Johnson and Rudy Carpenter under center.
That's why Freeman did more for his team than any NFC South player in 2010.
"The thing is people forget that he was only 22 this season,'' Dominik said. "He took big steps this year and that helped our whole team take some big steps. He's only going to get better in the future, and that's only going to help everyone around him get better in the future.''
Remember, all I'm saying is Freeman was more valuable to his team this year than anyone else. If what Dominik said about the progression of Freeman and the Bucs comes true in the future, then I might be back here with an update. I might end up writing that Freeman is a better quarterback than Brees and Ryan.
Cant take a joke much? Stay mad faggot.
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Look, I hate BB as much as anyone, but if I had to choose b/t Freeman and Sanchez as my Franchise QB, I'd choose Freeman every time... You stat whore keep mentioning, well, stats, but you fail to bring into account that Sanchez has a MUCHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH better supporting cast to work with, as the Jets are better at almost every position (IMO, they are better at every position, except QB)... Freeman and the Bucs had the youngest team in the NFL, and really did overachieve given what they and he had to work with... More so, Sanchez accrued the majority of his stats after the Steelers called off the dogs and went into prevent mode... Color me unimpressed...Comment
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What from his one AVERAGE season has made him a franchise QB?
You said in your previous post that stats don't lie. So I post stats and now its, "you can post all the stats you want but you obviously haven't watched him play." So what one is it? Do stats not lie or do you just base how good a QB is on how you feel about him?
Then after telling me that I can post all the stats you want and how they don't really matter because I haven't watched him play you go onto say in the NEXT PARAGRAPH that Sanchez's pedestrian stats don't lie. Can your dumbass make up your mind or will you just keep flip flopping in every other paragraph?
And then you go on further to use QB FUCKING RATING as the only meaningful statistic? Really? Just admit that you would take Freeman because he is already on your team and you have a man crush on him. Freeman was nowhere near special last season but don't look at the stats (or should I now? I forgot which argument we are using).Comment
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Hilarious.
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Fuck you 2. :moon: But it just goes to show you that these dickheads really dont know shit but what they see on ESPN. This shit isnt even an argument. Freeman is better than Sanchez by leaps and bounds. Its no secret Im a homer but this "Freeman Love" is all based on what he did on the field. I was quiest as a church mouse last season because he actually looked pedestrian. I have seen a lot of average QB's in my day being a TB fan but Freeman certainly is not that.
Is it was Stafford who did what Freeman did them everyones face, from the media to the idiotic VSNers, would be covered with his Jizz. How can u try and marginalize Freemans 10 wins and numbers with all things considered and act like thats the play of an "average" QB. Sanchez epitomizes average.
Why am I even bothering? I mean really, average? Do you know the meaning of average? You cant, noway you can.
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Oh damn. I didn't know we now decided how good a QB was based on his supporting cast. Are you seriously hating on Sanchez because of the position he was put in? Like that's his fault? Aren't they all NFL players? Or does that only favor BB's argument for the Bucs playing NFL teams even though their schedule was soft as shit?
Future reference. Don't use stats to make an argument anymore because if it doesn't favor Freeman it isn't legitimate.Comment
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You are reaching here... I'm not hating on Sanchez at all, I'm merely saying Freeman is the better of the two, in my fucking opinion... And stats are a direct reflection of two things: your system (or coaching for you retarded literal fucks) and your supporting cast... Sanchez has the advantage on both counts... Let me put it this way: if you were to switch Sanchez and Freeman, do you really think the Bucs would have won 10 games this year?? I fucking don't, and I can honestly say if Freeman were on the Jets, they'd be playing in Dallas on February 6th...Comment
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I think Sanchez is garbage too. But that doesn't make Freeman's 0-forwinningteams record any more impressive. They aren't mutually exclusive. It's possible that both can be medicore/average/over rated.
You want stats? Here is Tampa Bay's record this year vs. the NFC South, broken down:
vs. New Orleans/Atlanta - 1-3,
vs. worst team in the NFL: 2-0,
Not that I believe fully in this stat, but here are his passer ratings, by opponent. You'll soon notice a trend. (Playoff teams in bold.)
ARI 121.8
ATL 72.0, 61.4
BAL 65.3
CAR 118.3
CIN 85.4
CLE 88.7
DET 99.9
NO 79.5, 133.2
PIT 67.1
STL 80.4
SF 117.9
SEA 144.2
WAS 109.8
So he played 7 games against playoff teams, and played poorly in 4 of them, and average in another. The two good performances were against the worst playoff team of all time and a week 17 win over the team that subsequently lost to said worst playoff team of all time. Color me impressed.
Again, I don't think Sanchez is good at all. He sucks.. But let's not pretend that Freeman is good simply because he is "better" than a shitty QB like Sanchez. Freeman didn't play well vs. quality competition last year (the few times he did face it). He padded his numbers against the NFC West and the Carolina fucking Panthers.Comment
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^Never deemed him to be an elite QB... I just think he is better than Sanchez, which is all I said...Comment
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