Tom Brady best QB in the NFL

[celtsxpatsxsox]

I disagree with you about the Cassel is there new QB. The patriots are trying very hard to trade Cassel.

BTW Greenandgold, me and you are going to have some fun times debating about Tom Brady in this upcoming football season lol.

[ThunderHorse]

I thought Cassell was going to be a FA

[celtsxpatsxsox]

I thought Cassell was going to be a FA

They franchised Cassel so they can trade him for picks.

[Juggernaut]

Brady is best...currently

Peyton is a close second

[ThunderHorse]

Brady is best...currently

Peyton is a close second

lol,

the Current and 3 time MVP is a close second behind Brady currently...


thats hilarious.

[celtsxpatsxsox]

what is so hilarious about that. He has his opinion on who is better and you have yours. Honestly I would be happy to have either one of them on my team but as a patriot fan of course I am going to go with brady just like you are going with Manning.

[BWEISS]

I hate both, but I respect them... I'd much rather have Manning though because he's a much more intelligent quarterback, he can read defenses good and he audibles constantly to throw off the defense and try to make big plays.

I hear that he calls 3 plays in the huddle, then when they get to the line he reads the defense and calls them, I don't know if thats true though.

[Nukleopatra]

Tom Brady - 63.6% career completion %, 92.9 quarterback rating, 14-2 post season record, 4 super bowl appearances, 3 super bowl victories, 88.0 post season rating.

Peyton Manning - 64.4% career completion %, 94.7 quarterback rating, 7-8 post season record, 1 super bowl appearance, 1 super bowl victory, 84.9 post season rating.

Both quarterbacks are close in every category, except for winning in big games. I'm sorry, but using Peyton Manning's 2008 MVP, where he was kicked out of the playoffs after the very first game, doesn't make Peyton Manning a better quarterback.. It simply means the NFL's decision to choose the MVP before the most important games, is a stupid idea. Tom Brady gets injured for a season, and you people are replacing him with Matt Cassel, who couldn't even lead the team to the playoffs. Some of you really amaze me.

I can't even believe I brought myself into such a stupid fucking argument, so I'll let you guys go back to whatever fantasy land you currently reside in. Have fun.

[Tailback U]

This thread will be funny a year from now when we have all witnessed the wrath of Brady.

I expect to see many of you admit your faults at that time. I, for one, will never doubt Tom Brady, especially one with a chip on his shoulder.

[Nukleopatra]

lol @ Tom Brady having one good year.

Jesus Christ. Do some people even watch the games?

As for ripping Matt Cassel. Who is ripping him? We're not ready to turn the reigns over to the guy, who failed to make the playoffs.

This same fickle bullshit went on in St. Louis, when Kurt Warner was chased out of town for Marc Bulger.... Now we're stuck with that steaming pile of donkey shit for who knows how many years. New England won't make that same mistake.

Tom Brady's 2004 year was equal to Peyton Manning's 2008 season, where he won the super bowl.. Peyton Manning, well, couldn't even win a playoff game. MVP > Super bowl? I guess so.

[ThunderHorse]

Tom Brady also had a Nasty Defense to help him out all those years, and average offensive threats...

how many teams do you hear about winning the superbowl with average offenses and great Defenses? A LOT.

how many years have you heard of Indianapolis having a defense like NE?

Teams win games, not individuals...

I mean, if you want to put superbowls on the back of Quarterbacks, I guess Terry Bradshaw blows everyone away, with 4 superbowls... and now that argument starts to fall to shit, because we know Terry Bradshaw didn't do it by himself, he had the Steel Curtain backing his ass up, just like Tom Brady had those nasty, veteran defensive players backing his ass up, to bad Manning never had that.

Peyton Manning is textbook on how the Quarterback Position is meant to be played, when people teach their kids how to play, they are going to teach them the form of peyton manning, because the man is technically sound of everything a Quarterback is supposed to be, the mans football intellegence is matched by NO ONE currently in the NFL, Tom Brady doesn't go up and pick apart a defense, in his great year, he went up, and said HUT!. thats it, then he threw a deep ball to Moss, and Moss would catch the ball with one hand over 2 defenders twice in one game.

truth is, Brady stole Moss's MVP title two years ago. that team was nothing without Moss, they won 11 games with a QB that hadn't started a game since High School, and after 4 or 5 games in the season, the kid caught fire, because the New England Patriot Offense doesn't rely on Great Quarterback play to function, there are so many weapons that any decent - good QB can get in there and put up numbers.

has manning EVER had a guy like Randy Moss? don't be ignorant and say Marvin Harrison, Harrison is a great receiver, but he isn't a TD machine and is a completely different player then Moss.

Harrison for years killed you for 10-20 yards and if you fucked up and decided to bring down a safety he'd hurt you deep. you can put a safety over the top on Moss along with a corner playing man and he'll still beat you deep. but nah, thats just great QB play.

I wonder how many rings Manning would have if his defense was a HOF defense like Brady had during his superbowl years.

[Nukleopatra]

has manning EVER had a guy like Randy Moss? don't be ignorant and say Marvin Harrison, Harrison is a great receiver, but he isn't a TD machine and is a completely different player then Moss..

I wonder how many rings Manning would have if his defense was a HOF defense like Brady had during his superbowl years.

What the hell are you talking about? Randy Moss just got to New England in 2007. I can't even name Tom Brady's WRs back during the super bowl seasons. Peyton Manning has always had the better offensive players at that position, until recently.

What if this.... What if that... I wonder how many rings Drew Brees would have, if he wasn't such an incompetent fuck wad. I guess we'll never know.

[ThunderHorse]

What the hell are you talking about? Randy Moss just got to New England in 2007. I can't even name Tom Brady's WRs back during the super bowl seasons. Peyton Manning has always had the better offensive players at that position, until recently.

What if this.... What if that... I wonder how many rings Drew Brees would have, if he wasn't such an incompetent fuck wad. I guess we'll never know.

you all act like Brady had horrible receivers in those superbowl seasons.

christ, those guys were never BAD...

no, they weren't anything special, but they weren't bad, they were average. just like the patriot offense.

which is why I pointed out, great defenses and average offenses usually win a lot of games, and most superbowl teams have an average offense and a great defense. this years superbowl team is a perfect example, last years superbowl team is a perfect example also.

the point of putting moss in the equation was to point out Brady's 50 TD year, even with the most explosive offense in NFL history, it still took him 81 attempts and throwing deep balls in week 17 to beat what Manning did while he was sitting on the bench in the last few weeks of the season.

in the only comparable year I can really see, Brady had a BETTER offense, the BEST offense to ever walk on an NFL football field, and it still took him 81 attempts and deep balls to moss in the last game of the season to break it.

and even with the greatest offense in NFL history, he still couldn't break Manning's record for the highest Passer Rating in NFL single season history.

[OnlyOneBeerLeft]

LMFAO....Brady didnt put up huge numbers until moss and welker...thats the first thing...second...naw i dont even have to get into the cheating what ever with that shit...but matt cassel...a 3rd string college quarterback...11-5 with an aging defense and shit...

basically....

GTFO here...has ANYBODY taken into consideration that MAYBE...just MAYBE Belicheck is that fucking good...honestly...the stats get padded when you run an offense that primarily runs screens...he is definately a good quarterback...but i give most the credit to the coach here, i dont see how you can't

[Hasselbeck]

lol,

the Current and 3 time MVP is a close second behind Brady currently...


thats hilarious.

3 rings and 1 MVP > 1 ring and 3 MVP's.