Peyton Manning possibly out for the year?

[killgod]

of course you dont, but your belief that indy will go 6-10, while the pats won 11 is telling...

Telling that BB is a greater coach than the skill of all the Colts coaches ever combined?

[EmpireWF]

LETS GO ADDAI!

[Woy]

LETS GO ADDAI!

Got him as a backup in two leagues because of the Peyton uncertainty. :kwon:

[Bear Pand]

Telling that BB is a greater coach than the skill of all the Colts coaches ever combined?

which has been an advantage brady has had his entire career
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[killgod]

which has been an advantage brady has had his entire career
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And Manning had targets that shit all over NE's for the longest while. Perhaps if Brady had Harrison, Wayne and Clark he would have hit 50 multiple times.

[killgod]

Easy to say that now when your team sucks. lol

Comparing the value of the QB to a shitty team doesn't make him better than the QB on a better team. More "VALUE" to their team, doesn't mean "better player".

[Bear Pand]

And Manning had targets that shit all over NE's for the longest while. Perhaps if Brady had Harrison, Wayne and Clark he would have hit 50 multiple times.

And now we get to see what most of those targets can do w/o Manning. If they go out and put up #s it won't reflect well on Manning. Just like the 11-5 season didn't reflect well on Brady.

It'd also dead all those cliche "Colts would be a 3 win team w/o Manning" arguments.

[killgod]

I don't think the 11-5 reflected poorly because Cassell just managed the games and was coached well. The total team was still good and I think that's all that was proven. Who's to say that with Brady they don't win 14-15 games that season?

It's not like Wayne/Clark aren't good players still, I would still expect them to perform under any QB...just more so from an elite one.

I don't think if the Colts were to still get production from those good players it makes Manning look bad.

[Bear Pand]

Well it'd have some impact on the way people view Manning. I think it'd be silly to argue that it would have no impact. And it obviously wouldn't be a positive one.

If Collins comes in and performs, rest of the offense doesn't miss a beat and Indy wins a bunch of games it'd put a chink in Manning's legacy. Maybe not a big one or an important one but it'd be there.

[killgod]

Well it'd have some impact on the way people view Manning. I think it'd be silly to argue that it wold have no impact. And it obviously wouldn't be a positive one.

If Collins comes in and performs, rest of the offense doesn't miss a beat and Indy wins a bunch of games it'd put a chink in Manning's legacy. Maybe not a big one or an important one but it'd be there.

Manning is a legend, in the GOAT discussion. There's nothing this season is going to show that will alter that in any way IMO.

[tigstah]

wow another surgery. might as well put him on ir now. get it over with.

[MmmmBeeeeer]

C'mon Kerry Collins

[killgod]

It means Peyton carries the team on his back doe. How is he not better? Brady was good under a superb coaching staff. (and cheats) Peyton carried a super bowl winning team by himself.

Measuring the difference between an individual and the rest of his team isn't an ideal way to compare him to another player.

Peyton was carried to the Super Bowl by a surprising defensive performance that was driven by Dungy. He did not deserve the MVP in the SB either, Rhodes got fuckin robbed.

[tigstah]

C'mon Kerry Collins

wow, dude was on the lazy boy, with remote in hand. now he is the starting qb of the colts. not a bad gig if ya can get it.

[KINGOFOOTBALL]

I don't think the legend of Tom Brady was diminished with Matt Cassell's 11-5 season.

It did.

Easy to say that now when your team sucks. lol

Comparing the value of the QB to a shitty team doesn't make him better than the QB on a better team. More "VALUE" to their team, doesn't mean "better player".

You must have missed every player vs player argument where people think thats all that matters. Being good on a lesser team for some stupid reason gives you a +15 in rating. I agree its utterly stupid.

I don't think the 11-5 reflected poorly because Cassell just managed the games and was coached well. The total team was still good and I think that's all that was proven. Who's to say that with Brady they don't win 14-15 games that season?

It's not like Wayne/Clark aren't good players still, I would still expect them to perform under any QB...just more so from an elite one.

I don't think if the Colts were to still get production from those good players it makes Manning look bad.

With Brady it does. Thats how they won SBs. Not with his arm. By him Casseling it all the way. Ever since Brady has been the focal point they havent won one. Putting all the emphasis on one guy then having his backup lead the team to that record shows that player is replaceable and nowhere near as important as touted.

Manning is a legend, in the GOAT discussion. There's nothing this season is going to show that will alter that in any way IMO.

It can. If Scrub Painter goes out and tosses 39 tds and 12 picks you dont think it diminishes Peyton ??

If Collins and Painter lead the Colts to a 0-9 start you dont think Peytons legacy grows with every defeat ??

Im not talking about comparing player A to B then talking surrounding talent...that what if shit is retarded 99% of the time.

Im talking about Apples to Apples comparison of how a team functions without an individual. Brady was NOT the focal point of that team when they won SBs. His individual success after the Def fell off masks that. He was the focal point when Cassel took over and it showed that team isnt dependent on him and he isnt as important as people want to think.

Manning has won being the focal point and if this team succeeds without him you have to give the system a ton of credit which will take away from his legacy. Your not a great player if your easily replaceable period. Your just a cog at that point. A nice shiny one but a cog none the less.

You can now easily argue Brady is a product of great circumstance. Theres alot of evidence to suggest it.

If they Colts cant win games that argument is moot and theres little you can say to take away from Mannings greatness which people always try and do.


You think Tony Romos stock didnt drop with Kitna doing so well replacing him ?

You think guys like Bob Sanders , Albert Haynseworth circa 2006-2007 werent immeasurably exulted when there units stunk up the place without them , then played elite with them ?