The OFFICIAL Andrew Luck Sweepstakes Thread

[BigBucs]

Why is Carolina and STL listed? They wont take him even if they did get the #1 pick, well not STL anyways. They have to much money invested in Bradford.

[G-men]

The Phins gotta be the favorites at this point. Henne being out for the year pretty much guarantees them taking a QB with their first pick, whether it is the #1 overall or not.

[GoChargers]

He's headed to Indy, Miami or Denver. I'll guess Miami.

[red33]

STL has hardest remaining schedule for unbeatens, 5th highest amongst all teams.

[red33]

6 GAMES CLOSER!

STL will have worse record

[Sharkweather]

Just for arguments sake, are you actually telling me that St. Louis would draft luck after they just picked Bradford up with their first in 2010?

No but they would take whatever kings ransom some team desperate for a franchise QB gives for the pick.

[NAHSTE]

It wouldn't be the same thing as Rodgers and Favre, because Rodgers fell into Green Bay's lap with a late first round pick.

[Hasselbeck]

Feels like a two-team battle now between Miami and Indianapolis.

I give the major edge to Miami.

[NAHSTE]

The point is, any first round QB would benefit from sitting behind manning.

No fucking shit. And if any first round QB would benefit from sitting behind Manning, why does it have to be the #1 overall? Drafting a guy #1 who will not play for three years at the earliest is kind of a waste of value. If any QB can sit behind Manning and benefit, why not trade back into the middle of the 1st and let Landry Jones or Matt Barkley fall into your lap while also picking up 3-4 other assets? Ask Manning himself which option he would rather choose. "Hey Peyton, we can either waste our number one pick on a backup/pupil for you, or we can get a few more guys in here and make another run at a championship before you retire. Which one sounds best to you?"

Rarely are rookie quarterbacks even capable of starting their rookie season with success,

What league have you been following lately? Andy fucking Dalton is starting right now.

even Peyton Manning struggled in his first season.

And since then the NFL has hindered defense and made it so even rookie QBs can hold their own. Since Manning "struggled" (if you can call setting a rookie TD record struggling) we have seen guys like Flacco, Roethlisberger, Ryan, Bradford and Newton hold their own just fine. Luck is way more valuable to a team that needs a QB today than he is to a team that doesn't need him for another half decade. The Colts should take advantage of that if they have the #1 pick and trade out.

Are you saying that Luck behind Manning wouldn't benefit him, or are you just saying that Rodgers was a late first rounder?

I am saying taking a QB for the future is a luxury pick, and you can't afford to take luxury picks if you have a team that is bad enough to be drafting #1 overall. The value of that pick would not be fully recouped if you are gonna sit the guy for 3-5 years. (And really Peyton could conceivably play for longer.) If you don't plan on playing the guy anyway, you are better off finding yourself a desperate trading partner and stockpiling assets.

If it's the latter, than what the fuck does your comment have to do with anything?

You are the one who compared it to the Rodgers/Favre situation. I was merely pointing out how this is completely different from the Rodgers/Favre situation. I don't think the Packers were even planning on taking a quarterback at all round 1 until Rodgers fell like a stone from his top 5-10 projection.

The Colts are drafting a QB in the first round, that much is certain by Irsay's comments at this point in the season.

Oh it's a certainty that they draft a QB in the first round? Ok.

[NAHSTE]

Call it speculation all you want, but the Colt's front office appears to be looking into drafting a QB. Not just a backup for Peyton Manning either, but someone that can take a hold of the franchise in a few years.

Sure they are looking at QBs, and they would like to draft a good one. But there's a huge canyon between looking at QBs and being certain that you will take one with the first overall pick.

[EmpireWF]

Some NFL officials believe Luck will pull an Elway/Manning depending on which teams holds the #1 pick.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/10/19/some-fear-luck-could-make-a-power-play/

[BigBucs]

No fucking shit. And if any first round QB would benefit from sitting behind Manning, why does it have to be the #1 overall? Drafting a guy #1 who will not play for three years at the earliest is kind of a waste of value. If any QB can sit behind Manning and benefit, why not trade back into the middle of the 1st and let Landry Jones or Matt Barkley fall into your lap while also picking up 3-4 other assets?

I am saying taking a QB for the future is a luxury pick, and you can't afford to take luxury picks if you have a team that is bad enough to be drafting #1 overall. The value of that pick would not be fully recouped if you are gonna sit the guy for 3-5 years. (And really Peyton could conceivably play for longer.) If you don't plan on playing the guy anyway, you are better off finding yourself a desperate trading partner and stockpiling assets.

Moot point given the rookie pay scale. The value will def be recouped if he manages to give you 10-12 years of top tier QB play once Manning finally retires.

As far as Manning preferring to draft some talent that will benefit him over the last few years of his career, thats a no brainer if you are asking him but management is definitely thinking how shitty of a team the Colts will be (they all ready see) once Manning hangs em up. If the Colts end up with the #1 pick drafting Luck shouldnt even be a question. In fact, the value is too great to pass up considering what he will be paid and the drop off from the 1st and 2nd rated QB's coming out.

[NAHSTE]

Moot point given the rookie pay scale. The value will def be recouped if he manages to give you 10-12 years of top tier QB play once Manning finally retires.

As far as Manning preferring to draft some talent that will benefit him over the last few years of his career, thats a no brainer if you are asking him but management is definitely thinking how shitty of a team the Colts will be (they all ready see) once Manning hangs em up. If the Colts end up with the #1 pick drafting Luck shouldnt even be a question. In fact, the value is too great to pass up considering what he will be paid and the drop off from the 1st and 2nd rated QB's coming out.

All four of this year's top QBs are better than every QB in last year's class.

[BigBucs]

All four of this year's top QBs are better than every QB in last year's class.

Not saying much to be honest. Having said that how close is the 2nd rated QB to Luck coming out this years class? Nuff said.

[Houston]

The Colts gonna beat The Saints, I can feel it.