Blind BCS Poll

[Senser81]

Notre Dame would lose by three touchdowns to LSU or Alabama and by two touchdowns to Georgia, Florida and South Carolina.

LOL at thinking Florida and South Carolina can even score two touchdowns.

That said, I don't really want to see Notre Dame in the national title game. I'd much rather want to see Oregon/Bama or K-State/Bama.

[DoubleDeuce]

LOL at thinking Florida and South Carolina can even score two touchdowns.

That said, I don't really want to see Notre Dame in the national title game. I'd much rather want to see Oregon/Bama or K-State/Bama.

Hey, he didn't say the offense would score two touchdowns

[FirstTimer]

Other than just beating a top 5 team in the toughest road venue in the country, sure.



I get that the transitive property doesn't work in sports, but there are some major differences between those two examples.

LSU won that game 38-22 and it was never really close. .

Are you high?

LSU was actually losing that game at one point in the second quarter.

Look, let the ND hate roll on. Whatever. JayRock is trolling the shit out of everyone here but this same "X team would curb stomp ND stuff" was the same stuff that was being said before the OU game. Fact is ND is a damn good team and if their offense shows up I have no doubt they could compete with an LSU or Alabama or USCe, Florida etc. Would they win? Maybe. Maybe not. I don't know. But I'd be willing to bet it wouldn't be the 2007 Sugar Bowl all over again. Different team, different scheme, better players(athletes) etc. The biggest issue right now this early into the Kelly era would be depth of that talent that could compete along the DL and I'm not entirely sold on our OL being elite level.

[Jayrock]

For the record, JayRock, the only reason I bring any of this is to caution you that Notre Dame is not of national championship caliber and you should not get your hopes up over the next few weeks. For one, there is a good chance they lose by a lot at USC, and for two, a another blowout loss awaits them in whatever BCS bowl takes them in. Hate to cut short your blind resume thread, which you so transparently created to prop up your Irish, but it's the cold reality.

Anyway. I love how you criticize the out of conference (emphasis mine) opposition of the SEC, meanwhile Notre Dame has played absolute fucking bums. Other than the impressive win in Norman, and the close win over Stanford, they have not played anybody either. Big Ten and ACC garbage, plus Navy. Nice.

I predicted Notre Dame to be 7-5 before this year started, so I'm as surprised as anybody.

As for the OOC schedule? ND could have beaten the ACC (Miami), Big 12 (Oklahoma), Pac 12 (USC) champions by the end of the year.

The rhetoric before every game from people around the country is that ND would lose.

Before Navy? Can't stop the run. We curb stomped them.

Purdue? Their offense will test our porous secondary. We beat them.

Michigan State? Le'Veon Bell would run through our defense and our offense wouldn't move the ball. We beat a top 10 team on the road in a hostile environment.

Michigan? Denard would torch our secondary and run through the swiss cheese defense. We forced 6 turnovers and didn't allow a TD (and Alabama allowed 2).

Miami? The first "real" test for our secondary as they can throw the ball all over the yard. We pooped on them 41-3.

Stanford? A better Michigan St, they'll win because they have Stepfan Taylor and they can actually throw the ball. We stuffed their offense, forced turnovers and won.

BYU? The first game people start saying ND should win, even though their great D will stuff our offense. We won.

Oklahoma? No way we'd win. Double digit underdogs in one of the toughest environments, in one of their biggest games in years. Their NASCAR offense would poop on ND. We won, handily.

Pitt? Trap game after the big Oklahoma game. Despite BK trying to throw this one away, we win.

Please, enlighten me what Alabama or LSU or USCe or Georgia or Florida has that ND couldn't match? I can't wait until bowl season when the SEC is exposed for what they really are this year. I never agreed they were overrated in the past, but this year is a pretty big exception.

[Senser81]

Anyway. I love how you criticize the out of conference (emphasis mine) opposition of the SEC, meanwhile Notre Dame has played absolute fucking bums. Other than the impressive win in Norman, and the close win over Stanford, they have not played anybody either. Big Ten and ACC garbage, plus Navy. Nice.

I was looking at Georgia's schedule to see who they've beaten other than Florida to be ranked so high, and here is what I found...

Sat, Sep 1 Buffalo W 45-23 --
Sat, Sep 8 at Missouri W 41-20 --
Sat, Sep 15 Florida Atlantic W 56-20 --
Sat, Sep 22 Vanderbilt W 48-3 --
Sat, Sep 29 Tennessee W 51-44 --
Sat, Oct 6 at (6) South Carolina L 7-35 --
Sat, Oct 20 at Kentucky W 29-24 --
Sat, Oct 27 (2) Florida W 17-9 --
Sat, Nov 3 Mississippi W 37-10 --
Sat, Nov 10 at Auburn 7:00 pm --
Sat, Nov 17 Georgia Southern 1:30 pm --
Sat, Nov 24 Georgia Tech TBA

Wow, thats a ridiculously easy schedule. Buffalo, Georgia Southern, FAU? The SEC portion of the schedule is almost as easy...Kentucky, Vandy, Auburn, Ole Miss, Mizzou...????

[RobbyB34]

I was looking at Georgia's schedule to see who they've beaten other than Florida to be ranked so high, and here is what I found...

Sat, Sep 1 Buffalo W 45-23 --
Sat, Sep 8 at Missouri W 41-20 --
Sat, Sep 15 Florida Atlantic W 56-20 --
Sat, Sep 22 Vanderbilt W 48-3 --
Sat, Sep 29 Tennessee W 51-44 --
Sat, Oct 6 at (6) South Carolina L 7-35 --
Sat, Oct 20 at Kentucky W 29-24 --
Sat, Oct 27 (2) Florida W 17-9 --
Sat, Nov 3 Mississippi W 37-10 --
Sat, Nov 10 at Auburn 7:00 pm --
Sat, Nov 17 Georgia Southern 1:30 pm --
Sat, Nov 24 Georgia Tech TBA

Wow, thats a ridiculously easy schedule. Buffalo, Georgia Southern, FAU? The SEC portion of the schedule is almost as easy...Kentucky, Vandy, Auburn, Ole Miss, Mizzou...????

So why are you talking shit about UGA? I believe if you want to go our best against your best, we would win everytime. And plus. We are the second best team as of right now in our division... Who is your second best?

[JeremyHight]

I don't see how anyone can question the SEC. I just don't. It might be a down year for them, but even then, they are still the deepest, strongest conference in the game right now. No one can argue otherwise, so lets just move on.

As for actual games, I think ND has been winning, but not nearly as convincing as other teams. I laughed when I saw Jayrock try to compare ND's performance against Michigan to Alabama's. Bama was up 31-0 in the first half before Michigan could ever do anything at a neutral site. They ended up winning 41-14 in a clear rout without any question as to who the better team was. ND played Michigan at South Bend and won 13-6. Ya, they might have held Michigan to less points, but only by 8 points less and it was a one score game. Not nearly as impressive in any way.

I won't bash ND, they have won against every team they've faced. But right now in the BCS, its all about style points with voters and computers. ND gets 0 style points for going to triple overtime against an awful Pitt team (that they should have lost to if not for a shank in OT by the Pitt kicker). You can say "They'd match up great against..." or "They could beat..." but they won't be able to prove that in any major bowl unless other teams start losing or they start looking impressive consistently (ie. the Oklahoma performance).

[Senser81]

So why are you talking shit about UGA? I believe if you want to go our best against your best, we would win everytime. And plus. We are the second best team as of right now in our division... Who is your second best?

What are you talking about? Who is my best? Who is my division?

Someone said that Notre Dame hasn't played anyone outside of a couple games. I said the same thing about Georgia.

[Senser81]

As for actual games, I think ND has been winning, but not nearly as convincing as other teams. I laughed when I saw Jayrock try to compare ND's performance against Michigan to Alabama's. Bama was up 31-0 in the first half before Michigan could ever do anything at a neutral site. They ended up winning 41-14 in a clear rout without any question as to who the better team was. ND played Michigan at South Bend and won 13-6. Ya, they might have held Michigan to less points, but only by 8 points less and it was a one score game. Not nearly as impressive in any way.

I won't bash ND, they have won against every team they've faced. But right now in the BCS, its all about style points with voters and computers. ND gets 0 style points for going to triple overtime against an awful Pitt team (that they should have lost to if not for a shank in OT by the Pitt kicker). You can say "They'd match up great against..." or "They could beat..." but they won't be able to prove that in any major bowl unless other teams start losing or they start looking impressive consistently (ie. the Oklahoma performance).

I agree, but you can say the same "start looking impressive consistently" mantra for a number of SEC teams previously mentioned in this thread...S. Carolina, Florida, LSU, Georgia.

[FirstTimer]

I don't see how anyone can question the SEC. I just don't. It might be a down year for them, but even then, they are still the deepest, strongest conference in the game right now. No one can argue otherwise, so lets just move on.

As for actual games, I think ND has been winning, but not nearly as convincing as other teams. I laughed when I saw Jayrock try to compare ND's performance against Michigan to Alabama's. Bama was up 31-0 in the first half before Michigan could ever do anything at a neutral site. They ended up winning 41-14 in a clear rout without any question as to who the better team was. ND played Michigan at South Bend and won 13-6. Ya, they might have held Michigan to less points, but only by 8 points less and it was a one score game. Not nearly as impressive in any way.

I won't bash ND, they have won against every team they've faced. But right now in the BCS, its all about style points with voters and computers. ND gets 0 style points for going to triple overtime against an awful Pitt team (that they should have lost to if not for a shank in OT by the Pitt kicker). You can say "They'd match up great against..." or "They could beat..." but they won't be able to prove that in any major bowl unless other teams start losing or they start looking impressive consistently (ie. the Oklahoma performance).

Wut?

[Jayrock]

I don't see how anyone can question the SEC. I just don't. It might be a down year for them, but even then, they are still the deepest, strongest conference in the game right now. No one can argue otherwise, so lets just move on.

How do you know this? They don't play anybody outside of themselves.

Alabama beat LSU who has beaten........ USCe at home? USCe has beaten..... Georgia at home? Georgia has beaten.... Florida? Florida has beaten.... LSU at home?

Do you see the viscous cycle? SEC teams beat each other, but stay ranked in the top 10. ACC/Pac 12/Big 12 teams beat each other and drop 10 spots.

[NAHSTE]

ACC/Pac 12/Big 12 teams beat each other and drop 10 spots.

Because in their OOC games, teams from those conferences are routinely seen either A. losing to SEC opponents, usually by a lot (see: Michigan, Washington, Arizona State, NC State, etc.) or B. losing to shitty mid-major or FCS opponents (see: Illinois, Penn State, Iowa, Georgia Tech, Virginia, etc.)

Shocking, if you don't prove you can beat good teams, and occasionally lose to bad teams, you eventually start to lose national respect.

As for the OOC schedule? ND could have beaten the ACC (Miami), Big 12 (Oklahoma), Pac 12 (USC) champions by the end of the year.

LOL at this. Miami has FOUR wins vs FBS programs this season. Huge leap to suggest they'll win the ACC. And I'm not sure what's the bigger leap here, your assumption that the Irish are walking out of the coliseum with a W, or the assumption that USC will even qualify for their conference title game, much less win it.

You've really dissuaded me though, yeah. As I said before, Notre Dame's resume comes down to a close win vs Stanford, a great win over OU in Norman, and then a slew of ACC/Big Ten trash.

Someone said that Notre Dame hasn't played anyone outside of a couple games. I said the same thing about Georgia.

Which brings us full circle. Obviously Georgia's schedule is kind of a joke, it's the softest SEC slate you could possibly have. As Steve Spurrier has so willingly reminded us over the last few months, they somehow dodged both Bama and LSU.

But ... if we're going to say "they haven't played anybody" (which, they haven't) ... we also have to acknowledge that Notre Dame has only played 2 "good" teams to date.

[FirstTimer]

Because in their OOC games, teams from those conferences are routinely seen either A. losing to SEC opponents, usually by a lot (see: Michigan, Washington, Arizona State, NC State, etc.) or B. losing to shitty mid-major or FCS opponents (see: Illinois, Penn State, Iowa, Georgia Tech, Virginia, etc.)

Shocking, if you don't prove you can beat good teams, and occasionally lose to bad teams, you eventually start to lose national respect.



LOL at this. Miami has FOUR wins vs FBS programs this season. Huge leap to suggest they'll win the ACC. And I'm not sure what's the bigger leap here, your assumption that the Irish are walking out of the coliseum with a W, or the assumption that USC will even qualify for their conference title game, much less win it.

You've really dissuaded me though, yeah. As I said before, Notre Dame's resume comes down to a close win vs Stanford, a great win over OU in Norman, and then a slew of ACC/Big Ten trash.

He didn't assume anything.

He said "could"

Read better.

[Jayrock]

LOL at this. Miami has FOUR wins vs FBS programs this season. Huge leap to suggest they'll win the ACC. And I'm not sure what's the bigger leap here, your assumption that the Irish are walking out of the coliseum with a W, or the assumption that USC will even qualify for their conference title game, much less win it.

You've really dissuaded me though, yeah. As I said before, Notre Dame's resume comes down to a close win vs Stanford, a great win over OU in Norman, and then a slew of ACC/Big Ten trash.

Miami is leading their division in the ACC. ND has a solid shot to beat USC.

Yet ND couldn't stay within two TDs of LSU? Come on man. You say ND's resume comes down to a close win vs Stanford and a great win at OU.

What's LSU's resume?

A close win vs USCe and a win @ an overrated A&M team?

Those two ND wins are better than ANY SEC team's two wins. That "slew of ACC/Big Ten trash" is better than the slew of Sun Belt/SEC trash that the SEC goes through.

So thank you for proving my point. Take the names and conferences away from the teams, and 60% of people think ND should be in the title game.

[NAHSTE]

He didn't assume anything.

He said "could"

Read better.

That is a really dumb way to frame an argument though, and you know this. FT, not sure why you are doing this. JayRock, I understand, because he's a clown, but you should know better.

(Sorry to use the "dave" tone on you.)