PFT: Garcia On Track To Take Job From JaMarcus?

[Senser81]

LOL at page after page of some idiot not only defending JaMarcus Russell, but going on to compare Russell to John Elway. Dude, STFU.

Then some other idiot chimes in with "JaMarcus Russell will never be a good QB in an Al Davis system". WTF? I thought he was a 'perfect fit' when he was the #1 overall pick. If Russell can't excel in a run heavy, deep-throwing system, what system WOULD he excel in?

Russell has been a HUGE disappointment thus far. Luckily Alex Smith performed worse a few years ago, but the 49ers at least figured that out right away and gave some other QBs a chance.

[vamprb]

LOL at page after page of some idiot not only defending JaMarcus Russell, but going on to compare Russell to John Elway. Dude, STFU.

Then some other idiot chimes in with "JaMarcus Russell will never be a good QB in an Al Davis system". WTF? I thought he was a 'perfect fit' when he was the #1 overall pick. If Russell can't excel in a run heavy, deep-throwing system, what system WOULD he excel in?

Russell has been a HUGE disappointment thus far. Luckily Alex Smith performed worse a few years ago, but the 49ers at least figured that out right away and gave some other QBs a chance.

All I was saying is that Elway didn't have a great rookie year and he turned out to be one of the best. I'm just sayin a player shouldn't be judged on just 1 year of play. That is all.

[Senser81]

All I was saying is that Elway didn't have a great rookie year and he turned out to be one of the best. I'm just sayin a player shouldn't be judged on just 1 year of play. That is all.

I can think of about 5000 players who didn't have great rookie years...don't know why you chose John Elway. When Elway was coming out of college, he was regarded as the best QB prospect since Terry Bradshaw, and most people thought he was the best QB prospect ever. As someone else said, Russell wasn't even that remarkable in college. He was even less accomplished than Ryan Leaf. I would equate Russell with Alex Smith and Tim Couch, two QBs who were selected #1 overall just because they played the QB position.

[vamprb]

I can think of about 5000 players who didn't have great rookie years...don't know why you chose John Elway. When Elway was coming out of college, he was regarded as the best QB prospect since Terry Bradshaw, and most people thought he was the best QB prospect ever. As someone else said, Russell wasn't even that remarkable in college. He was even less accomplished than Ryan Leaf. I would equate Russell with Alex Smith and Tim Couch, two QBs who were selected #1 overall just because they played the QB position.

I only chose elway because the dude I was talking to is a broncos fan.

[dell71]

I can think of about 5000 players who didn't have great rookie years...don't know why you chose John Elway. When Elway was coming out of college, he was regarded as the best QB prospect since Terry Bradshaw, and most people thought he was the best QB prospect ever. As someone else said, Russell wasn't even that remarkable in college. He was even less accomplished than Ryan Leaf. I would equate Russell with Alex Smith and Tim Couch and Matthew Stafford, three QBs who were selected #1 overall just because they played the QB position.

Fixed it for you.

[Goober]

Here's a little tidbit, when you end post with "fuck the raiders," it makes you look like one big fucking moron. Not only does your post lose all credibility, but everyone on the forum says "wow this guy is a fucking moron."

GoblinSlayer, it's fucking hilarious to me how you act like your team is one of the best franchises ever. The Denver Broncos were a fucking joke of a team at one point. They were so much of a joke that they were made fun of on The Simpsons. I know you're a fucking child and you don't have the knowledge of your teams history, but the fact of the matter is that the Raiders lead the all-time series against the Denver Broncos and have more Super Bowl trophies than the Denver Broncos.

And your team just traded it's franchise QB for a fucking drunk moron. What are you laughing at, your team is going to be worse than it was last season and we beat you last season.

PS - Getting into internet message board fights when you are drunk is way more fun.

lol dude, my team has been respectible at the very least my entire life, almost every year they're in the playoff hunt. That's what matters to me. Your team on the other hand has been nothing but shit for 7 years now.

Also lol at the picks glen, I've never seen those before.

[steeljake]

[QUOTE=Tailback U;377138]Here's a little tidbit, when you end post with "fuck the raiders," it makes you look like one big fucking moron. Not only does your post lose all credibility, but everyone on the forum says "wow this guy is a fucking moron."
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a titbit for you, saying fuck the raiders only pisses off gay ass raider fans, who are blind to the fact that their team and their team's way of doing shit is crap. The only people who lose credibility on here are the one who root for a team expecting different resluts even though they know deep down that team will suck until a certain someone dies.

P.S. fuck the raiders

P.P.S. and fuck you too.

[Tailback U]

[QUOTE=steeljake75;378796]

Here's a little tidbit, when you end post with "fuck the raiders," it makes you look like one big fucking moron. Not only does your post lose all credibility, but everyone on the forum says "wow this guy is a fucking moron."
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a titbit for you, saying fuck the raiders only pisses off gay ass raider fans, who are blind to the fact that their team and their team's way of doing shit is crap. The only people who lose credibility on here are the one who root for a team expecting different resluts even though they know deep down that team will suck until a certain someone dies.

P.S. fuck the raiders

P.P.S. and fuck you too.

i thought about reading your post but then realized it's probably just a bunch old man jibberish bullshit that would be a complete waste of time.

[Tailback U]

lol dude, my team has been respectible at the very least my entire life, almost every year they're in the playoff hunt. That's what matters to me. Your team on the other hand has been nothing but shit for 7 years now.

I knew you didn't know shit about football from the moment you started posting, but this just confirms it.

Stick to Batman comics, kid.

[steeljake]

[QUOTE=Tailback U;378891]

i thought about reading your post but then realized it's probably just a bunch old man jibberish bullshit that would be a complete waste of time.

it would be the same as reading up on the raiders, so i dont blame you.

[Tailback U]

Why it's not time to panic yet:

will start by writing that all players taken with the first pick of the NFL Draft are held to a very high standard. Much is expected from the player when a Team drafts a player so high and spends the kind of money required to get them under contract.

Lets take a closer look at number one draft picks at QB that became pretty good in the NFL and what their first couple years looked like.



J Elway 1983, 11 Games, 47.5 Cmp%, 7 TD - 14 Int, 54.9 QB Rtg

1984, 15 Games, 56.3 Cmp%, 18 TD - 15 Int, 76.8 QB Rtg



T Aikman 1989, 11 Games, 52.9 Cmp%, 9 TD - 18 Int, 55.7 QB Rtg

1990, 15 Games, 56.6 Cmp%, 11 TD - 18 Int, 66.6 QB Rtg



P Manning 1998, 16 Games, 56.7 Cmp%, 26 TD - 28 Int, 71.2 QB Rtg

1999, 16 Games, 62.1 Cmp%, 26 TD - 15 Int, 90.7 QB Rtg



E Manning 2004, 9 Games, 48.2 Cmp%, 6 TD - 9 Int, 55.4 QB Rtg

2005, 16 Games, 52.8 Cmp%, 24 TD - 17 Int, 75.9 QB Rtg



And now let us take a look at how JaMarcus Russell's first 16 Game starts stacks up against the Quarterbacks listed above.



J Russell 2007, 1 Games, 54.5 Cmp%, 2 TD - 4 Int, 55.9 QB Rtg

2008, 15 Games, 53.8 Cmp%, 13 TD - 8 Int, 77.1 QB Rtg



J. Russell has a higher QB Rating over his first and second years then John Elway, Troy Aikman, Ely Manning and only P. Manning had a QB Rating higher then Russell's in his second year.

As far as being able to make the proper decisions on throwing and protecting the ball. J. Russell's has most of the QB's listed above beat on TD's made to INT's thrown as well.

Many people in the Media have tried to imply that J. Russell and his play has been so far below other number one picks. That have went on to become Franchise Quarterbacks in the NFL which could not be further from the truth.

They would have you believe that J. Garcia was brought in to replace Russell which also could not be further from the truth. To me there is nothing worse then to have people writing about the NFL that try to portray themselves as some sort of expert that are anything but.

I have just read a post on ProFootballTalk where an Ambulance Chaser turned wannabe NFL expert wrote the following about J Russell. I am paraphrasing but he implies that Russell is a bust and Garcia was brought in to replace Russell and will do so by the third game of the season.

The reason I go to the site above is that they take the time to go around and repost NFL information from all the media sources. It saves me a lot of time finding most of the information in one place. It is when the owner puts up his youtube video, and plays ESPN Sports Desk and trying to come off as an NFL expert that I have to laugh.

A blind man can see from what the Raiders have been doing both in Free Agency and the Draft. By the assistant coaches brought in as well as the type of players. And that includes Jeff Garcia. The offense that is being installed. Everything the Raiders are doing is revolving around their young Franchise QB, a blind man should be able to see it.

And mark my words, JaMarcus Russell will become a very good NFL Quarterback. Sure the Raiders and coach Cable want Russell to get better and become a top flight leader and QB and it is coach Cables job to push his young stud.

But do not let anyone kid you, the Raiders know what they have in Russell and are doing everything they can to put him in a position to succeed.

You have a clown like Trent Dilfer that threw 1 TD to 6 INT's with a QB Rating of 36.3 his first year. In Dilfers second year playing 16 games he threw 4 TD's TO 18 INT's with a QB Rating of 60.1 and the guy talks about Russell's tools?, are you kidding me.

This will be J. Russells 2nd year as the Raiders full time starter and I am expecting to see JaMarcus start to take his place along side the better QB's in the NFL.

Pretty much sums up most Raider fans' thoughts about this situation.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/175251-it-is-pin-the-tail-on-jamarcus-russell-time-again

[Tailback U]

double post

[steeljake]

right cuz russel is so much like elway, aikman and manning... didnt those other three have owners who built a team around them?

[Tailback U]

right cuz russel is so much like elway, aikman and manning... didnt those other three have owners who built a team around them?

Can you even read? The Raiders are building the offense around him. We have a nice 3-headed-monster in the backfield with Fargas, McFadden, and Bush. Not to mention Lorenzo Neal and Oren O'Neal are two of the better run-blocking fullbacks in the league.

I don't agree with the DHB pick for other reasons, but the fact remains that he is super talented and extremely fast and could really help JR's development by stretching the field.

Zach Miller is a top 10 TE in this league as well.

You can't just build a team overnight, it literally takes years.

[Tailback U]

Russell has been a HUGE disappointment thus far. Luckily Alex Smith performed worse a few years ago, but the 49ers at least figured that out right away and gave some other QBs a chance.

What the fuck are you talking about?

Alex Smith started 30 for the 49ers before he started getting hurt and they looked elsewhere.

Russell has started 16. Alex Smith played twice as long as JR before the 49ers gave any other QBs a chance.