UFC 98: Machida vs Evans

[RosettaStoned]

Yes and it proves that shit can happen man.

That doesn't need to be proven. You're comparing something that happened 5 years ago, to something that happened 2 years ago. When he goes on a 10 fight streak against top competition, I'll consider him on the same level as Anderson or Fedor.

[RosettaStoned]

and Fedor, Machida and GSP dont get flying heel hooked and subbed by average Japanese fighters

And GSP hasn't won 10 fights in a row at any point in his career.

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That doesn't need to be proven. You're comparing something that happened 5 years ago, to something that happened 2 years ago. When he goes on a 10 fight streak against top competition, I'll consider him on the same level as Anderson or Fedor.

lol @ top comp, James Irvin? Patrick Cote? Thales? No

GSP has beaten better comp than Silva ever has, Silva's best wins are Franklin and he was a TV champ in the worst division at the time and has no big wins, Hendo has never done well at 185 and Nate, thats Silva's 'big' wins

You can not argue against the comp GSP has faced, GSP has only 2 losses in his career and has revenged both of them in brutal fashion

The win over Hughes is better than anything Silva has ever done, throw in Fitch, Kos, BJ X 2, Sherk, etc...and you have no arguement

[Steel Mamba]

Funny how you dont say he is one of the most talented, he is a Combat Sambo champ, he has outstruck K1 strikers, subbed wrestlers and pounded out Nog when Nog had the best HW guard in the history of MMA

He has been rocked by 1 punch, that was Fujita than choked him out, got slammed as bad as you can against Randleman and than subbed him minutes later, hasnt lost a round in like 8 years and took out the 2 best HWs the UFC had for years in under 4 minutes

The guy is skilled, his cardio is great for a HW also, his GnP technique is great, full body torque and explosion

I'm not arguing any of that, I completely agree. However, you cannot tell me that Fedor's standup/boxing is technically sound. The guy is lucky that there's not a lot of heavies with solid boxing like AA has.

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I'm not arguing any of that, I completely agree. However, you cannot tell me that Fedor's standup/boxing is technically sound. The guy is lucky that there's not a lot of heavies with solid boxing like AA has.

so he can behead more guys with 1 punch?

[Steel Mamba]

so he can behead more guys with 1 punch?

The guy has some sick power and as you mentioned anything can happen with small gloves. Until he shows some technical boxing then I'm not ready to say that his overall game is relatively perfect. Sure, his style has worked for him, I can't argue that, but we'll see what happens when he starts facing more guys like AA. It's all about matchups and there's more guys that matchup well with Fedor than there are guys who matchup well with Machida.

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I'm not arguing any of that, I completely agree. However, you cannot tell me that Fedor's standup/boxing is technically sound. The guy is lucky that there's not a lot of heavies with solid boxing like AA has.

actually, it is western boxing technically sound, but he has good movement, rarely gets hit clean, he has showed great defense against 'better' strikers, knows how to blend striking and grappling when he needs to

That 3 minutes AA had is starting to become very overblown, he didnt hit Fedor clean at all, it looked really pretty, but he wasnt lighting Fedor up by any means

[Steel Mamba]

actually, it is western boxing technically sound, but he has good movement, rarely gets hit clean, he has showed great defense against 'better' strikers, knows how to blend striking and grappling when he needs to

That 3 minutes AA had is starting to become very overblown, he didnt hit Fedor clean at all, it looked really pretty, but he wasnt lighting Fedor up by any means

If the fight continued like that, Fedor would not have won.

[Liquidrob]

The guy has some sick power and as you mentioned anything can happen with small gloves. Until he shows some technical boxing then I'm not ready to say that his overall game is relatively perfect. Sure, his style has worked for him, I can't argue that, but we'll see what happens when he starts facing more guys like AA. It's all about matchups and there's more guys that matchup well with Fedor than there are guys who matchup well with Machida.

Machida hasnt faced any top grapplers yet at his own weight, best 1 he has fought is tito and tito's back has not been the same for a log time

He has faced a bunch of guys who like to stand and bang and has beat them, if he can take out Shogun I will be impressed, but I think Shogun will win if they ever meet

Machida was put on his back by a fat BJ, of course he has gotten better at takedown defense, but the majority of guys he has fought wanted to strike with him

Fedor has beaten Top Strikers, Wrestlers, Submission guys etc...

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If the fight continued like that, Fedor would not have won.

lol, the old 'he was winning until he got knocked out', my favorite line to use

its fun to judge fights 5 rounds fights on 3 minutes of action!

[Steel Mamba]

Machida hasnt faced any top grapplers yet at his own weight, best 1 he has fought is tito and tito's back has not been the same for a log time

He has faced a bunch of guys who like to stand and bang and has beat them, if he can take out Shogun I will be impressed, but I think Shogun will win if they ever meet

Machida was put on his back by a fat BJ, of course he has gotten better at takedown defense, but the majority of guys he has fought wanted to strike with him

Fedor has beaten Top Strikers, Wrestlers, Submission guys etc...

Fedor has beaten one guy with excellent boxing skill, AA, and I wouldn't put money on him to do it again.

I don't want to hear about 5-5 Mark Hunt, powerful guy, but not a great boxer.

Mirko, super powerful, great K-1 kickboxer, but again not a great nor technical boxer either.

So, who are these great boxers that Fedor has beaten?

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Fedor has beaten one guy with excellent boxing skill, AA, and I wouldn't put money on him to do it again.

I don't want to hear about 5-5 Mark Hunt, powerful guy, but not a great boxer.

Mirko, super powerful, great K-1 kickboxer, but again not a great nor technical boxer either.

So, who are these great boxers that Fedor has beaten?

First of all, there isnt really any great boxers in MMA, AA is probably 1 of the best and Fedor beat him with 1 punch

If they fight again, call me up, we can bet, I got Fedor

Hunt is a K1 winner, he is a great Kickboxer just like Mirko

Where are these great boxers Silva and Machida beat? None of there wins are better boxers than AA or Cro Cop in terms of strikers, I said great 'strikers', not boxers because there are not really great boxers in MMA

None of the strikers Silva or Machida beat are on the level of AA, Cro Cop, Hunt, Semmy or even Big Tim

[RosettaStoned]

lol @ top comp, James Irvin? Patrick Cote? Thales? No

GSP has beaten better comp than Silva ever has, Silva's best wins are Franklin and he was a TV champ in the worst division at the time and has no big wins, Hendo has never done well at 185 and Nate, thats Silva's 'big' wins

Lmao @ Hendo has never done well at 185... He did well enough to hold the Pride belt at 183.

You can not argue against the comp GSP has faced, GSP has only 2 losses in his career and has revenged both of them in brutal fashion

The win over Hughes is better than anything Silva has ever done, throw in Fitch, Kos, BJ X 2, Sherk, etc...and you have no arguement

Lmao @ you disregarding beating Henderson and Franklin, but talking up Kos, BJ and Sherk, as if those wins are worth anything.

I'll give you Fitch and Hughes.

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btw if i were ranked the top 5-10 P4P i'd say...

1. Anderson Silva
2. GSP
3. Lyoto Machida
4. Fedor (I rank him lower cuz he doesn't fight often)
5. B.J. Penn
6. Miguel Torres
7. Thiago Alves
8. Quinton "Rampage" Jackson
9. Patrick Cote
10. Dan Henderson

Please dont post about MMA again, thanks

Signed,

Jesus Chirst

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Lmao @ Hendo has never done well at 185... He did well enough to hold the Pride belt at 183.



Lmao @ you disregarding beating Henderson and Franklin, but talking up Kos, BJ and Sherk, as if those wins are worth anything.

I'll give you Fitch and Hughes.

look at his record at 185, prides 180 class was weak and he has not been great at that weight, some crappy decision wins and so-so comp

Dan is more remembered in pride for battling the Nogs and Wand at higher weights