UFC 98: Machida vs Evans

[RosettaStoned]

of course it was impressive, but thats the weight he fought at for 7 fights and was comfortable at that weight, so he was a WW

many fighters were always outweighed, Frank Shamrock, Randy at HW, Fedor, Dan at LHW, etc...doesnt mean the losses dont count

I didn't say it didn't count. I said it's unimpressive, and means dick in terms of p4p rankings.

[Liquidrob]

I didn't say it didn't count. I said it's unimpressive, and means dick in terms of p4p rankings.

and you would be wrong

so BJ only gets p4p points? lol

what about guys who cut a ton of weight like anderson, forrest, tito, franklin, etc...? many fighters go in with just as much weight difference as BJ vs GSP even in there own weight class

your logic is flawed

[EmpireWF]

What's Silva's weakest skill? The ground game.

GSP has the skills to take Silva down and beat him there.

[Kuzzy Powers]

The UFC wanted that fight for the draw. Penn hyped it, he's good at hyping fights.

Of course UFC wanted that fight.. and BJ wanted to fight GSP too because hes a cocky prick. You dont call people out and talk all kinds of shit unless you think you can beat them. So if BJ doesnt discredit losing to GSP, why should you? Because its moronic not to rate a victory over someone you personally rank in your own top 5. Should we discredit all of BJ's fights cause he typically fights heavier than most LWs do? Of course not.

[RosettaStoned]

So if BJ doesnt discredit losing to GSP, why should you?

Maybe you missed it, but he accused him of greasing. Along with a decent amount of those impressive wins of his.

[RosettaStoned]

many fighters go in with just as much weight difference as BJ vs GSP even in there own weight class

Outside of heavyweight, that's a rarity.

[RosettaStoned]

What's Silva's weakest skill? The ground game.

GSP has the skills to take Silva down and beat him there.

So did Dan Henderson, and Thales Leites. Except they didn't, and neither does GSP. When GSP get's destroyed in that fight, I won't move him down any in my p4p rankings, and I won't move Anderson up either.

[EmpireWF]

Outside of heavyweight, that's a rarity.

We may see how GSP deals with being the smaller guy when he fights Alves (if he can make weight).

[Bigpapa42]

Brock, Mir, Noguiera, Kongo, Herring, Couture, Dos Santos, Carwin, Gonzaga.

I'm positive Fedor can beat them all. Dana White has already explained that Fedor would love to fight in the UFC. Just the guys behind making the contract want the UFC to build a arena in Russia. You'd have to watch the whole Machida/Evans pre-fight press conference.

Sherdog.com doesn't even have Fedor as #1, so obviously i'm not the only one who thinks it.

Brock is a physical freak. He is also a 3-1 fighter with one quality win. Oodles of potential and he very well may dominate the UFC HW division for years, but he has a lot yet to prove. A win over Mir could do that.

Mir I'm still not sold on. You can't take anything away from his win over Nog, but his rematch against Lesnar will go a long way to show where Mir really is. How much does his win over Lesnar mean? Looks pretty good right now, but that can change. The motorcycle accident obviously affected his career, but Lesnar and Nog are his only quality wins in five years.

Nog has been beaten by Fedor. Twice. Epically.

Herring took a worse beating that Nog from Fedor.

Cheick Congo is a solid HW. Has yet to prove he's anywhere near elite.

Couture remains a question mark due to his age. Love the guy, but he can't go forever.

Dos Santos is a promising guy who has one win of note. Over a guy that apparently doesn't count as a quality win for Arlovski, so...

Carwin is an intriguing guy with a ton of potential, but he also only has one notable win.

Gonzaga is a solid fighter who also has one win of note, and who has lost to every other quality HW he has faced .

I'd love to see Fedor in the UFC. But the HW division is easily the UFC's weakest. There are some very good HWs outside of the UFC. Obviously Arlovski, Sylvia, and Barnett, but also the likes of Jeff Monson, Ben Rothwell, and Allistar Overeem. Trying to look at the UFC HW division as a high level of competition for Fedor just isn't accurate.

Also interesting that you are wanting to use Sherdog's P4P rankings, but do you give Arlovski credit for being #2 on the HW Sherdog rankings? Or Sylvia for being #8?

[RosettaStoned]

We may see how GSP deals with being the smaller guy when he fights Alves (if he can make weight).

Yeah, but I don't think Alves is that much bigger. He just sucks at cutting weight.

[Liquidrob]

No HW in the UFC has proven to be elite, even Randy who has more of an insprirational career by going back and forth inbetween LHW and HW, but Randys days are pretty much past but he is still a great story

Fedor, AA, Barnett and even Tim are elite, only HW they have that was elite is Nog, he is a shell of his former self and took 1 to many beatings from Fedor and others, he is now Zombie Nog

Brock and Mir can fight each other 10 times in a row, doesnt really do much for them, Brock has 1 win against Randy after a 11 month lay off, Mir was getting KO'ed by Vera and others just a couple years ago

Gonzaga hasnt done much since the Cro Cop win, Carwins only good win is Gonzaga, Kongo isnt proven much fighting who he is fighting

The UFC HW division is only seen as 'good' because it has the UFC name above it, besides that it isnt worth much

Fedors only legit fight left is Barnett, he could retire now or after Barnett and his career cant be messed with

Only interesting fight after Barnett would be Brock just because he is a beast and has a great wrestling background besides that, maybe Randy but he is almost 50 and that fight died a year ago, lol @ Mir

[Liquidrob]

for as much as the hype brock gets, he couldnt hold down randy who usually gets battered when put on his back, see Ricco/Barnett

Randy was putting Brock in the cage and would have got him down if Brock didnt cheat and grab the cage, also his shots seem more like bull rushes, Its probably been a long time since he did some competitive wrestling, has to be almost 10 years, I dont think he did anything after college, randy stuffed a couple of his shots easily

He won with a punch and was starting to suck the wind out of the arena in the 2nd round

[Liquidrob]

First of all, there isnt really any great boxers in MMA, AA is probably 1 of the best and Fedor beat him with 1 punch

If they fight again, call me up, we can bet, I got Fedor

Hunt is a K1 winner, he is a great Kickboxer just like Mirko

Where are these great boxers Silva and Machida beat? None of there wins are better boxers than AA or Cro Cop in terms of strikers, I said great 'strikers', not boxers because there are not really great boxers in MMA

None of the strikers Silva or Machida beat are on the level of AA, Cro Cop, Hunt, Semmy or even Big Tim

So Mamba, where are thses great strikers and boxers Silva and Machida beat that compare with what Fedor has faced? I'm still waiting

[CrimsonGhost56]

So Mamba, where are thses great strikers and boxers Silva and Machida beat that compare with what Fedor has faced? I'm still waiting

chris leben

now what huh?

[Steel Mamba]

First of all, there isnt really any great boxers in MMA, AA is probably 1 of the best and Fedor beat him with 1 punch

If they fight again, call me up, we can bet, I got Fedor

Hunt is a K1 winner, he is a great Kickboxer just like Mirko

Where are these great boxers Silva and Machida beat? None of there wins are better boxers than AA or Cro Cop in terms of strikers, I said great 'strikers', not boxers because there are not really great boxers in MMA

None of the strikers Silva or Machida beat are on the level of AA, Cro Cop, Hunt, Semmy or even Big Tim

I'd feel bad for taking your money from such an easy bet.

& Not just boxers, but technical strikers in general. Fedor has not faced many technical strikers and I feel that he's pretty fortunate that there's not many guys like that in the HW division, because again that's the glaring kryptonite that I see with him.

I don't see any kryptonite with the likes of Anderson or Machida, at least nothing as glaring as with Fedor. You're not going to outclass Anderson or Machida standing up, as I believe the right person could/has with Fedor. You're not going to outclass Anderson on the ground, maybe someone could with Machida, I'll buy that but goodluck getting the guy to the ground in the first place.

Basically here's all I'm getting at - if there was a HW version of Anderson Silva, Machida, Sean Sherk, BJ Penn, maybe Rashad Evans, maybe Rampage, GSP, Faber, etc etc then Fedor would be in a lot of trouble. All of those guys are more technical strikers than Hunt, Sylvia, and maybe even Cro Cop. Not to imply that those guys are better than Fedor, most of them are not, but they all have what it takes to beat him and if that was the case you guys would all see that Fedor isn't as well rounded as you may think due to holes in his standup game. There just aren't many HWs capable of exposing that.