UFC 100

[Champ]

Can we please have Fedor do what he does best to shitty UFC heavyweights like Silvia and Lesnar? I want to see him fuck Lesnar up.

Not going to happen any time soon. Fedor/UFC does not mix.

[dave]

It's hard to be entertained when you don't know what the fuck is going on tool bag.

Two guys fighting. Seen it enough.

And get over your Napoleonic complex. It's getting tired.

[Warner2BruceTD]

The UFC is trying to grow and attract fans like me.

...and you went out of your way to see the fight. So they did.

I absolutely admit I'm not an educated fan of UFC style fighting, but I want to be entertained. All I saw for 8 minutes (ok 6 of 8 minutes) was Lesnar lying on top of Mir because he could.

The punch flurry at the end which stopped the fight was somewhat interesting, but otherwise this fight was one guy who lied on top of another for 6 minutes of a fight.

Yes, there could have been some strategy involved, but it was boring.

I don't dispute MMA as a serious sport for a second, but an entertaining sport? The pre and post-fight hype were more entertaining than the actual fight.

Go watch Griffin/Bonner from '05.

Clay Guida vs. Diego Sanchez on free TV last week was a great, exciting fight. I can name hundredss of exciting fights, but it dosen't matter, because you won't seek them out.

Nobody is claiming Lesnar/Mir was a great fight. In fact, nbobody even thought it would be to begin with. It was a great spectacle, and nobody feels ripped off. Especially since you had a pretty damn good undercard (something boxing NEVER gives you) to go with it.

It was a fun fight, because of the personalities involved ands the story it told. Randy Couture won one of the most boring fights ever vs. Tim Sylvia, but it's remembered as a classic due to Sylvia being so hated, and Couture overcoming the odds winning the title in his mid 40's. It's all about the story. You follow wrestling, so you know this.

[Champ]

All that doesn't matter.

The UFC is trying to grow and attract fans like me.

I absolutely admit I'm not an educated fan of UFC style fighting, but I want to be entertained. All I saw for 8 minutes (ok 6 of 8 minutes) was Lesnar lying on top of Mir because he could.

The punch flurry at the end which stopped the fight was somewhat interesting, but otherwise this fight was one guy who lied on top of another for 6 minutes of a fight.

Yes, there could have been some strategy involved, but it was boring.

I don't dispute MMA as a serious sport for a second, but an entertaining sport? The pre and post-fight hype were more entertaining than the actual fight.

Where you watching the same fight as me? The entire time he was on him he was gurgling at his throat with his hand and choking him with his forearm. He was tiring him out.

[Champ]

Boxing a dead sport.

[dave]

...and you went out of your way to see the fight. So they did.



Go watch Griffin/Bonner from '05.

Clay Guida vs. Diego Sanchez on free TV last week was a great, exciting fight. I can name hundredss of exciting fights, but it dosen't matter, because you won't seek them out.

Nobody is claiming Lesnar/Mir was a great fight. In fact, nbobody even thought it would be to begin with. It was a great spectacle, and nobody feels ripped off. Especially since you had a pretty damn good undercard (something boxing NEVER gives you) to go with it.

It was a fun fight, because of the personalities involved ands the story it told. Randy Couture won one of the most boring fights ever vs. Tim Sylvia, but it's remembered as a classic due to Sylvia being so hated, and Couture overcoming the odds winning the title in his mid 40's. It's all about the story. You follow wrestling, so you know this.

I don't dispute for a second it was a spectacle. I watched it free the second I could.

[Warner2BruceTD]

The UFC is trying to grow and attract fans like me.

And to be honest, they aren't.

This isn't another "dave" joke, but you arent the target demo. They are chasing (and winning) the 18-35 males...the older gen grew up with boxing, dosen't "get" MMA, and will die as boxing guys.

Boxing draws the oldest demo of any televised sport. They do nothing to create new stars or attract young fans. That's why boxing is dying, it has nothing to do with MMA. Both can easily co-exist.

But I digress. You aren't the demo. UFC might have done 1.5 million buys tonight without you. Think about that.

[RosettaStoned]

Two guys fighting. Seen it enough.

Yet, you know nothing about it.

And get over your Napoleonic complex. It's getting tired.

Get over being the dumbest fucker on VSN and I'll think about it.

[dave]

And to be honest, they aren't.

This isn't another "dave" joke, but you arent the target demo. They are chasing (and winning) the 18-35 males...the older gen grew up with boxing, dosen't "get" MMA, and will die as boxing guys.

Boxing draws the oldest demo of any televised sport. They do nothing to create new stars or attract young fans. That's why boxing is dying, it has nothing to do with MMA. Both can easily co-exist.

But I digress. You aren't the demo. UFC might have done 1.5 million buys tonight without you. Think about that.

I'm more pro wrestling than boxing. I know I'll be entertained for 3 hours with wrestling.

That said, I rarely if ever buy a wrestling PPV. Pro wrestling has gotten way too predictable.

That Japan wrestling you watch would make me buy a PPV every month, Warner. That stuff is mind-blowing.

[dave]

Yet, you know nothing about it.



Get over being the dumbest fucker on VSN and I'll think about it.

Yes, I'm the dumbest fucker on VSN. I apologize for my shortcomings.

You are just VSN's baddest schtick boy. You can't present an argument without being an asshole. And what's so sad is no one at VSN takes you seriously anymore, other than you,

[Champ]

I'm more pro wrestling than boxing. I know I'll be entertained for 3 hours with wrestling.

That said, I rarely if ever buy a wrestling PPV. Pro wrestling has gotten way too predictable.

That Japan wrestling you watch would make me buy a PPV every month, Warner. That stuff is mind-blowing.

So you would rather watch someone get powerbombed onto a bed of pin tacks then two people that actually has a fighting backgrounds go at it in an octagon?

[dave]

So you would rather watch someone get powerbombed onto a bed of pin tacks then two people that actually has a fighting backgrounds go at it in an octagon?

Truthfully, I don't like that extreme crap. It's just stuntmen going at it.
I like pro wrestling in its purest form.
I know it's fake - don't get me wrong - but a great wrestling match (even if pre-determined) is incredibly entertaining.
The extreme wrestling crap is just two guys doing whatever they can for a "holy shit" moment.

[Warner2BruceTD]

I'm more pro wrestling than boxing. I know I'll be entertained for 3 hours with wrestling.

That said, I rarely if ever buy a wrestling PPV. Pro wrestling has gotten way too predictable.

That Japan wrestling you watch would make me buy a PPV every month, Warner. That stuff is mind-blowing.

In MMA, just like wrestling (because really, they are the same business), being the most skilled fighter (or wrestler) has zero to do with selling tickets.

Anderson Silva is arguably the best P4P in the UFC, yet when he headlines, UFC draws some of it's lowest buy rates.

Yet put old ass washed up Ken Shamrock vs. past his prime Tito Ortiz on PPV, and they set records. Lesnar/Mir will shatter every record, and everyone knew the fight would be mediocre at best.

Hulk Hogan was terrible, but sold millions of tickets. Nobody knows who Dean Malenko is, but he'll wrestle circles around Hogan.

Personalities sell. End of story. Lesnar/Mir was a spectacle. Ripping the quality of the fight is pointless.

[Champ]

Lesner/Fedor would probably be the biggest PPV worldwide.

[dave]

In MMA, just like wrestling (because really, they are the same business), being the most skilled fighter (or wrestler) has zero to do with selling tickets.

Anderson Silva is arguably the best P4P in the UFC, yet when he headlines, UFC draws some of it's lowest buy rates.

Yet put old ass washed up Ken Shamrock vs. past his prime Tito Ortiz on PPV, and they set records. Lesnar/Mir will shatter every record, and everyone knew the fight would be mediocre at best.

Hulk Hogan was terrible, but sold millions of tickets. Nobody knows who Dean Malenko is, but he'll wrestle circles around Hogan.

Personalities sell. End of story. Lesnar/Mir was a spectacle. Ripping the quality of the fight is pointless.

I can only speak for pro wrestling, I don't care how great Malenko is. He's 5-6, boring and couldn't sell out a high school gym.

I'm not a Hogan fan either, but at least he has some charisma.

Again, I agree I watched Mir/Lesnar tonight based on the hype. But, again, I found it boring.