Gina out drew Kimbo on Showtime

[Senser81]

I made the title, I wanted to show that Gina out drew Kimbo/Tank on Showtime

lol @ those numbers weren't good, those numbers were excellent and the highest Showtime has ever done

Of course it was a rerun, but this was the 'counter programming' that the UFC did, its the total picture I was looking at

So Gina on Showtime outdrew Kimbo/Tank compared to when Kimbo/Tank was on Showtime, but Kimbo/Tank's Showtime numbers weren't mentioned?

[Steel Mamba]

Not only that, but the cost for the SF event was around a dollar, but it still couldn't beat even an average PPV from the UFC which costs 4000% more than the SF did. Add in the fact that it also had 4 title bouts and a big draw in Gina Carano and those numbers weren't good, they were terrible.

The cost is either free or $25

[Liquidrob]

Those numbers are great and Kimbo's 511,000 viewers on Showtime is one of the big reasons that CBS put MMA in Primetime and Kimbo as the headliner

Also, Showtime just doesnt go off ratings, they go off subscribers also because it is a premium channel

Anyone breaking down these numbers says they are great, I dont know how someone could say they were terrible

[Liquidrob]

So Gina on Showtime outdrew Kimbo/Tank compared to when Kimbo/Tank was on Showtime, but Kimbo/Tank's Showtime numbers weren't mentioned?

Kimbo vs Tank on Showtime did an average of 511,000, sorry I didnt post it earlier

[JeremyHight]

Those numbers are great and Kimbo's 511,000 viewers on Showtime is one of the big reasons that CBS put MMA in Primetime and Kimbo as the headliner

Also, Showtime just doesnt go off ratings, they go off subscribers also because it is a premium channel

Anyone breaking down these numbers says they are great, I dont know how someone could say they were terrible

Lets see, UFC 101 (which hard an ok card) vs SF (which had 4 title bouts):

Price
UFC: $44.99
SF: ~$1, depending on deals and whether or not you canceled the service immediately.

Buys
UFC: ~800,000, but no exact numbers yet
SF: 576,00

Title Fights
UFC: 1
SF: 4

Hmm... so lets see, SF did 4 times the title fights at 2% of the price and wasn't even able to beat UFC 101. But Rob, keep on sucking SF's dick, cause after all, you are fair an unbiased.

[Liquidrob]

Lets see, UFC 101 (which hard an ok card) vs SF (which had 4 title bouts):

Price
UFC: $44.99
SF: ~$1, depending on deals and whether or not you canceled the service immediately.

Buys
UFC: ~800,000, but no exact numbers yet
SF: 576,00

Title Fights
UFC: 1
SF: 4

Hmm... so lets see, SF did 4 times the title fights at 2% of the price and wasn't even able to beat UFC 101. But Rob, keep on sucking SF's dick, cause after all, you are fair an unbiased.

why are you insulting me now?

what does UFC 101 have to do with this? The article is showing the numbers for that night, this thread was mainly for Gina's numbers against Kimbo's, the UFC was mentioned in the article that I didnt write because they did the 'counter programming', not Strikeforce

Also, there were only 3 title fights, but that really doesnt matter and doesnt have anything to do with this thread

[JeremyHight]

The article is showing the numbers for that night, this thread was mainly for Gina's numbers against Kimbo's, the UFC was mentioned in the article that I didnt write because they did the 'counter programming', not Strikeforce

So, let me get this straight, you are saying this thread is purely about Kimbo vs Gina, even though the first reply to this thread was by you stating:

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So on average, one out of every 26 homes with Showtime watched Carano/Cyborg while only 1 out of every 49 homes with Spike watched UFC 100 rebroadcast.
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Strikeforce drew 3% of its available viewers.

UFC drew 2% of its availabe viewers.

If this was purely about Kimbo vs Gina, why did YOU make it UFC vs SF? Am I missing something?

[Kuzzy Powers]

Jeremy is all kinds of win in this thread..

[Liquidrob]

So, let me get this straight, you are saying this thread is purely about Kimbo vs Gina, even though the first reply to this thread was by you stating:



If this was purely about Kimbo vs Gina, why did YOU make it UFC vs SF? Am I missing something?

The thread was about Gina/Kimbo hence my thread title

The article had the UFC numbers because they counter programmed, I added other quotes to show a different side of the numbers because you cant just look at 2 mill vs 500k and tell the whole story

I still dont see the reason for insulting me, but whatever

[Kuzzy Powers]

The thread was about Gina/Kimbo hence my thread title

The article had the UFC numbers because they counter programmed, I added other quotes to show a different side of the numbers because you cant just look at 2 mill vs 500k and tell the whole story

I still dont see the reason for insulting me, but whatever

Hes calling you out for what you constantly deny you are. You are extremely sensitive as of late.. between denying this, accusing me of stalking you, and not resulting in saying "why are you insulting me" because Jeremy is bringing solid points, you have definitely had your panties in a giant bunch as of late.

Lmao @ saying the thread is about Gina vs Kimbo but blatantly trying to point out the SF VS UFC 101 comparison, then getting defensive when Jeremy talks about EXACTLY that. You are in over your head sometimes old man..

[JeremyHight]

The thread was about Gina/Kimbo hence my thread title

The article had the UFC numbers because they counter programmed, I added other quotes to show a different side of the numbers because you cant just look at 2 mill vs 500k and tell the whole story

I still dont see the reason for insulting me, but whatever

So again, you wanted this thread to be purely about Kimbo vs Gina, so you purposefully derailed it before anyone could reply by making sure everyone knew that SF had beaten UFC, despite being outdrawn 4:1? I don't follow.

[Steel Mamba]

Lets see, UFC 101 (which hard an ok card) vs SF (which had 4 title bouts):

Price
UFC: $44.99
SF: ~$1, depending on deals and whether or not you canceled the service immediately.

Buys
UFC: ~800,000, but no exact numbers yet
SF: 576,00

Title Fights
UFC: 1
SF: 4

Hmm... so lets see, SF did 4 times the title fights at 2% of the price and wasn't even able to beat UFC 101. But Rob, keep on sucking SF's dick, cause after all, you are fair an unbiased.

How many people do you really think did that with SHO? I'm not even so sure that every provider would even allow that, I'm sure most will lock you in for at least a month. I'm willing to bet that 99% of the people who do not get SHO did not watch the event, minus the guys who watched at a friends house or whatever. Now if the original StrikeForce card had remained in tact then I'm sure the numbers would have been even better, as that card would not have been a bad $25 PPV. Actually do these ratings even include the people who may have purchased this as a PPV?

So, again you're comparing a card with half the marketing $$ of the UFC that's broadcast on a premium network. It's going to be hard to draw everyone in under those circumstances and everything the card went through, and afterall many UFC fans would rather watch TUF than good fights in other orgs. So, all that said these numbers are pretty good.

[Liquidrob]

So again, you wanted this thread to be purely about Kimbo vs Gina, so you purposefully derailed it before anyone could reply by making sure everyone knew that SF had beaten UFC, despite being outdrawn 4:1? I don't follow.

They didnt 'beat the UFC' because the UFC was a rerun and they already made there money off the PPV and I never said they did beat the UFC, the article compared the numbers and showed what the numbers meant, it is up to you to decide if they were good or not

I said the numbers were great and you said they were terrible, we dont agree on that

[Liquidrob]

Here are my quotes in this thread

huh? I'm just reporting what the numbers are, the article put the UFC into the mix

These are direct quotes, the numbers are the numbers and are interesting to compare

I bought UFC 100 and 101, I support the UFC

Just putting 500k to 2 million doesnt tell the story, Showtime compared to Spike, a rerun compared to a live show, etc...

Also the thread title was for Gina vs Kimbo on Showtime, I didnt write the article

I think the numbers are interesting, I cant remember, but I dont think the UFC counter programmed really against Kimbo/Tank, I believe they ran a Chuck special if my memory is correct

Kimbo averaged like 511,000 with no real counter programming

Gina did 576,000 up against the UFC's rerun of there biggest show ever

Frank vs Diaz did 364,000 against a rerun of UFC 94

Gina is a bigger casual fan draw than Frank, but Frank gets about 2,000 more to come to the Shark Tank and watch in San Jose

I made the title, I wanted to show that Gina out drew Kimbo/Tank on Showtime

lol @ those numbers weren't good, those numbers were excellent and the highest Showtime has ever done

Of course it was a rerun, but this was the 'counter programming' that the UFC did, its the total picture I was looking at

Those numbers are great and Kimbo's 511,000 viewers on Showtime is one of the big reasons that CBS put MMA in Primetime and Kimbo as the headliner

Also, Showtime just doesnt go off ratings, they go off subscribers also because it is a premium channel

Anyone breaking down these numbers says they are great, I dont know how someone could say they were terrible

I am trying to have a discussion of the numbers and someone tells me 'keep on sucking SF's dick'?

[Senser81]

Kimbo would beat Gina in a fight.