Gina out drew Kimbo on Showtime

[Liquidrob]

Kimbo would beat Gina in a fight.

The ratings would be great

[JeremyHight]

Here are my quotes in this thread

I am trying to have a discussion of the numbers and someone tells me 'keep on sucking SF's dick'?

Again, Rob, follow this line of discussion:

1. You make a thread comparing the draws of Kimbo Slice and Gina Carano.
2. Before anyone can respond on topic, you immediately post a series of stats that make it look as though StrikeForce clearly had the better of UFC in the head to head, despite the UFC being a replay and getting 4 times the amount of viewers.
3. People start comparing StrikeForce and UFC.
4. You say that you wanted this to be about Kimbo and Carano.
5. I post a look at UFC 101 (the last UFC PPV) and Strike Force: Carano vs Cyborg (the last StrikeForce PPV).
6. You then wonder what UFC 101 has to do with anything.
7. I point out again that you made this into a UFC vs SF thread by posting your "statistics".
8. You try to claim all you were doing was looking at the numbers of Kimbo vs Gina.

[Liquidrob]

Again, Rob, follow this line of discussion:

1. You make a thread comparing the draws of Kimbo Slice and Gina Carano.
2. Before anyone can respond on topic, you immediately post a series of stats that make it look as though StrikeForce clearly had the better of UFC in the head to head, despite the UFC being a replay and getting 4 times the amount of viewers.
3. People start comparing StrikeForce and UFC.
4. You say that you wanted this to be about Kimbo and Carano.
5. I post a look at UFC 101 (the last UFC PPV) and Strike Force: Carano vs Cyborg (the last StrikeForce PPV).
6. You then wonder what UFC 101 has to do with anything.
7. I point out again that you made this into a UFC vs SF thread by posting your "statistics".
8. You try to claim all you were doing was looking at the numbers of Kimbo vs Gina.

I posted the series of stats because someone already broke them down in another thread on the UG and did the math, thats why they were in quotes and th 2nd post

[Liquidrob]

how about this, I post a thread that about the numbers from Saturday night which is a good topic and thought people would be interested in

I get called anti-UFC for posting those numbers than told to 'keep sucking Strikeforces dick'

[Liquidrob]

From Bloodyelbow

Carano vs. Cyborg Sets Showtime MMA Record, But Gets Smashed By UFC 100 Replay
by Luke Thomas on Aug 18, 2009 2:06 PM EDT in News 58 comments

"Strikeforce: Carano vs. Cyborg" drew an average audience of 576,000 viewers. The UFC replay drew nearly four times that with two million total viewers, Spike TV officials today confirmed with MMAjunkie.com (www.mmajunkie.com).

Strikeforce's Aug. 15 event was one of the biggest shows in the promotion's history and featured the long-awaited Cristiane "Cyborg" Santos vs. Gina Carano title fight. As with other competitors, the UFC and Spike TV ultimately decided to counter-program the broadcast.

Strikeforce's event averaged 576,000 viewers (and peaked with 856,000 for the night's main event at midnight). UFC 100 averaged two million viewers, and it's 1.8 rating (513,000 viewers) was the highest-rated program in the male-18-34 demographic during its timeslot.

Spike TV’s telecast of UFC 100 (originally airing on pay-per-view July 11) drew more Men 18-34 (513,000) than anything else on television on Saturday, August 15. Airing from 10:00pm-12:30am ET/PT, the telecast drew 2 million viewers, a 1.8 rating in Men 18-34, a 1.7 rating (950,000) in Men 18-49, and a 1.5 household rating.

The telecast bested heavy sports competition during the day in the advertiser-coveted demographic of Men 18-34:

UFC 100 (Spike TV) – 513,000

PGA Championship (CBS) – 479,000

MLB Baseball (FOX) – 242,000

Strikeforce (Showtime) – 181,000

The good news for Strikeforce is that this event did more than double the ratings than their previous show on Showtime (and if my math is right, it's also the highest-rated non-UFC MMA event ever after beating Slice vs. Tank at 522,000 viewers). And given how paltry the media build up was until the last few days prior to the event, there's no way to not consider the numbers here a success.

But it's a Pyrrhic victory of sorts. The better question is: sure the numbers were great, but how much better could they have been? There's no denying that the UFC 100 replay likely took away substantial viewers overall and in more notably key male demos. There's a legitimate debate to be had about whether the UFC is rallying the base with counter programming or if they're actually depriving competitors of would-be viewers, but the sheer volume of MMA television watchers on Saturday evening makes it hard to suggest Strikeforce came out unaffected.

While the Carano vs. Cyborg fight usurped and benefited from media attention, the UFC-Spike TV tandem proved formidable again. The UFC's loyal and active fan base as well as Spike's relatively large exposure demonstrated the enormous numbers that can be pulled with little more than word of mouth and week-long advertisements on the network. Unequivocally, the success of the counter programming practice further cements the idea it can consistently serve as a ratings draw for Spike TV, making the likelihood this practice will continue all but inevitable.

[CrimsonGhost56]

Kimbo gonna out draw everyone when he headlines a free Fight Night on Spike

[Liquidrob]

So Gina on Showtime outdrew Kimbo/Tank compared to when Kimbo/Tank was on Showtime, but Kimbo/Tank's Showtime numbers weren't mentioned?

if you're interested, this are some numbers I found for Showtime MMA shows, pretty accurate, may vary a little

1) Kimbo Slice vs. Tank Abbott: 511,000 viewers

2) Frank Shamrock vs. Phil Baroni: 365,000 viewers

3) Shamrock vs Diaz: 364,000 viewers

4) EliteXC Return of the King: 350,000 viewers

5) Frank Shamrock vs. Cung Le: less than 300,000.

[Liquidrob]

Kimbo gonna out draw everyone when he headlines a free Fight Night on Spike

yeah, he more than likely will

this UFC 100 wasnt really 'counter programming', it was easy and just a reun, no planning, the only time the UFC aired a live UFC free on spike was against Affliction's PPV which dented there numbers

I dont think they will do that for a Showtime fight, they really dont need to, a replay can get the job done

The real question is will the UFC do it against a CBS card? Or will they wait to see if Strikeforce will do a PPV down the line, Coker said that could be 6-9 months away

Not sure if they will go head to head with CBS with a free UFC Spike because they wont risk getting beat, not saying they will, but they could going by past numbers

[Liquidrob]

Live Gate numbers

The event, which drew 13,976 spectators and a $735,710 gate at the HP Pavilion, marked the first time a women’s bout headlined a major event in the U.S.

[Warner2BruceTD]

This thread is full of ignorance, and i don't mean that to be offensive. Anyone who thinks that's a shitty rating dosent understand the television business, or how ratings work.

That's not a good number for Showtime, that's a GREAT number. Showtime, Strikeforce, and Gina Carano all come away from this as HUGE winners.

Saying UFC beat them 4:1 is silly, because Spike is a powerful basic cable network that reaches 90
million+ homes, while Showtime is a premium service with a fraction of that number. Strikeforce actually beat UFC in the overall household ratings, 1.8 to 1.5.

UFC was also a big winner, outdrawing every other sport that day, in all the demos that matter.

The night was a big win for MMA as a whole, in reality.

[Warner2BruceTD]

How many people do you really think did that with SHO? I'm not even so sure that every provider would even allow that, I'm sure most will lock you in for at least a month. I'm willing to bet that 99% of the people who do not get SHO did not watch the event, minus the guys who watched at a friends house or whatever. Now if the original StrikeForce card had remained in tact then I'm sure the numbers would have been even better, as that card would not have been a bad $25 PPV. Actually do these ratings even include the people who may have purchased this as a PPV?

So, again you're comparing a card with half the marketing $$ of the UFC that's broadcast on a premium network. It's going to be hard to draw everyone in under those circumstances and everything the card went through, and afterall many UFC fans would rather watch TUF than good fights in other orgs. So, all that said these numbers are pretty good.

No.

The PPV number is probably so small that it would make no real difference anyway. Showtime offered Shamrock/Baroni on ppv for non subscribers as well, but hardly any cable companies offer shows in these cases because they would rather have people subscribe to the network. The numbers are usually so small, they arent tracked. My educated guess would be sub 1,000.

Plus, zero marketing is done pushing these shows as PPV's. Only the harderst harcores who would actively seek out the information would even know.

[Liquidrob]

This thread is full of ignorance, and i don't mean that to be offensive. Anyone who thinks that's a shitty rating dosent understand the television business, or how ratings work.

That's not a good number for Showtime, that's a GREAT number. Showtime, Strikeforce, and Gina Carano all come away from this as HUGE winners.

Saying UFC beat them 4:1 is silly, because Spike is a powerful basic cable network that reaches 90
million+ homes, while Showtime is a premium service with a fraction of that number. Strikeforce actually beat UFC in the overall household ratings, 1.8 to 1.5.

UFC was also a big winner, outdrawing every other sport that day, in all the demos that matter.

The night was a big win for MMA as a whole, in reality.

funny stuff, W2B jumps in, calls out some ignorance and nobody responds

classic

[Kuzzy Powers]

funny stuff, W2B jumps in, calls out some ignorance and nobody responds

classic

Dude.. W2B's comments say nothing about you not being bias against the UFC, then getting called out again for it, then denying that you ever wanted to talk about something you blatantly pointed out.

Its pretty clear your hate for Dana influences you one way you this is something you refuse to accept. Maybe its cause him and Frank have a bad relationship.. maybe its the way he does business.. maybe its a combination of a number of things.. but when it comes down it.. im sure W2B thinks its ignorant for you to not believe you have a bias aswell.

[Liquidrob]

W2B's comments have nothing to do with me and my post was not directed to anyone in particular so I dont know why you are even responding to me, obsess much?

Did you even read his post?

[Kuzzy Powers]

W2B's comments have nothing to do with me and my post was not directed to anyone in particular so I dont know why you are even responding to me, obsess much?

Did you even read his post?

I did.. and it didnt apply to me because I wasnt even saying the numbers were good or bad.

And clearly im stalking you.. I thought I was already accused of this?