Week 8 Random NFL Musings, and why NFL RB's are all the same

[Warner2BruceTD]

For his career, Peterson averages over 100 yards rushing per game.

Jackson has never had a season in which he averaged over 100 yards rushing per game.

Sorry, but comparing Jackson to Peterson is like comparing Matt Forte to Walter Payton.

In one thread, you've managed to not only throw Matt Forte under the bus, but also back it over him before pulling off.

As far as Jackson/Peterson, you can't ignore Jackson's receiving. Again, he leads the NFL in yards from scrimmage per game over the last 4 years.

He also dosent run behind Steve Hutchinson (ask Shaun Alexander about that), and has built whatever resume he has on what could be reasonably argued as the worst team of all time (the 07-09 Linehan/Spags Rams).

I take no issue if someone prefers Peterson, but your analogy is obviously wacky.

[theMINI]

I agree with all of this.

The crux of my argument is that the league lacks a large number of "Good RB's."

To me, a vast majority of them are essentially the same. Different skill sets, but at the end of the day, you'd get similar production, because production is dictated by situation unless you are elite.

I agree.

[theMINI]

Geez senser... Warner made his basic point. What point are you trying to make?

[Senser81]

In one thread, you've managed to not only throw Matt Forte under the bus, but also back it over him before pulling off.

Huh? Payton > Forte, Forte > McFadden. I thought this was common sense.

As far as Jackson/Peterson, you can't ignore Jackson's receiving. Again, he leads the NFL in yards from scrimmage per game over the last 4 years.

I am ignoring Jackson's receiving. He catches about 40 passes a year, for about 7 -8 yards per reception. He had one aberration in 2006 when he caught 90 passes! Weird how a guy could have a progression of 19-43-90-38-40-48 (pace) in receptions...perhaps that 90 receptions wasn't an accurate reflection of Jackson's skill...it was moreso a reflection of the Rams dumping him the ball more?

Peterson has more yards per scrimmage than Jackson every year he's played (the past 3 years), and he has more receiving yards than Jackson this year! DOH!

[theMINI]

What's your point Senser?

[Senser81]

Geez senser... Warner made his basic point. What point are you trying to make?

That you can't just plug in anyone at RB and get the same production.

UHHHHHHHH................

[theMINI]

Obviously the production might drop a little but I think Warner is trying to argue that the difference is so slight that it really doesn't matter that much. You can basically just plug and play anyone and get the same kind of production (unless they are elite RBs).

You can keep arguing about different RBs and differences in production if you want.. go for it.

[theMINI]

Warner: You can plug and play anyone with no drop in production.
Senser: You can't plug and play anyone without a drop in production.

I think reality reflects more the middle ground: You can plug and play anyone and expect only a minimal drop in production.

Of course, this doesn't apply to the elite RBs.

[Senser81]

Obviously the production might drop a little but I think Warner is trying to argue that the difference is so slight that it really doesn't matter that much. You can basically just plug and play anyone and get the same kind of production (unless they are elite RBs).

You can keep arguing about different RBs and differences in production if you want.. go for it.

And I am trying to argue that these alleged "slight differences" are what separate RBs from each other. For instance, Pierre Thomas' 54 receptions and 17 TDs might only be slightly better than Mike Bell's 2 receptions and 3 TDs, but it is a difference nonetheless.

ROLLEYES!

:bike:

[theMINI]

And I am trying to argue that these alleged "slight differences" are what separate RBs from each other. For instance, Pierre Thomas' 54 receptions and 17 TDs might only be slightly better than Mike Bell's 2 receptions and 3 TDs, but it is a difference nonetheless.

ROLLEYES!

:bike:

Pierre Thomas also played more and has had more opportunities.

Warner would argue that we can't tell for certain but if Bell's and Thomas' role would have been exchanged (Bell in Thomas' shoes and Thomas was in Bell's shoes) then Bell would be the one with 50+ receptions and Thomas would only have 2 or 3...

[theMINI]

Pierre Thomas also played more and has had more opportunities.

Warner would argue that we can't tell for certain but if Bell's and Thomas' role would have been exchanged (Bell in Thomas' shoes and Thomas was in Bell's shoes) then Bell would be the one with 50+ receptions and Thomas would only have 2 or 3...

Obviously, since Thomas' hands might not be his strongest assest, he would be able to contribute in other ways. Every RB has different strengths and weakness but almost any RB can contribute given the opportunity and situation.

[Senser81]

Pierre Thomas also played more and has had more opportunities.

Warner would argue that we can't tell for certain but if Bell's and Thomas' role would have been exchanged (Bell in Thomas' shoes and Thomas was in Bell's shoes) then Bell would be the one with 50+ receptions and Thomas would only have 2 or 3...

Last I checked, Bell and Thomas PLAY ON THE SAME TEAM! THEIR ROLES WERE EXCHANGED!

Jesus fucking Christ.

[Senser81]

Obviously, since Thomas' hands might not be his strongest assest, he would be able to contribute in other ways. Every RB has different strengths and weakness but almost any RB can contribute given the opportunity and situation.

Are you stoned?????????????????

[Warner2BruceTD]

Peterson has more yards per scrimmage than Jackson every year he's played (the past 3 years)

Not per game. Nobody does.

, and he has more receiving yards than Jackson this year! DOH!

Hardcore Viking homers wouldnt try to make the argument that Peterson is as good out of the backfield as Jackson.

[theMINI]

lol. I'll just stick with this:

Warner: You can plug and play anyone with no drop in production.
Senser: You can't plug and play anyone without a drop in production.

I think reality reflects more the middle ground: You can plug and play anyone and expect only a minimal drop in production.