MMA Thread

[Liquidrob]

Tell me where I can find MMA fighters exclusively fighting Boxers and I'll believe you...

that way you'd actually have factual evidence...

but so far, the only thing your putting up is speculation... which is fine, but don't shoot me down for speculating and then do it yourself.

almost every 'boxer' who has tried MMA gets abused badly

but you will just say they are not good, or washed up, or whatever

when Kimbo Slice can choke out Ray Mercer with a year of training, thats sad

when a 155 lbs Genki Sudo can sub Buetterbean with ease, its sad

art jimmerson got taken down by royce who is awful at takedomws

Milton Bowen got subbed by a cop/part time MA guy, its sad

[ThunderHorse]

Given that the statement I've quoted is the initial argument you've made, I'd say its a relatively notable one to focus on. Regardless...

I would not agree that the MMA fighter has no chance standing in your "street fight" scenario. In MMA, there are these things called kicks. Low kicks, high kicks, body kicks... So even if the MMA fighter has to keep it standing, he can use those things called kicks to keep the boxer out of striking distance so the boxer can't use those killer jabs you've talked about. A couple of unchecked leg kicks could hurt the boxers legs to the point where it messes up his footwork and reduces his punching power. It also makes a takedown easier. See, that's why many people feel that MMA fighter has the advantage in an MMA or open fight against a boxer - because there are multiple ways to attack the boxer. The boxer is limited.

And you are absolutely correct on it being speculation. Way to disprove other arguments and nullify your own at the same time.

ha,

ok, MMA fighters win because they can kick.

you win.

[Bigpapa42]

ha,

ok, MMA fighters win because they can kick.

you win.

Fantastic counter-point. You completely convinced me that the option to kick someone who has never had any training on throwing or defending kicks would not at all be a factor in any theoretical MMA-versus-boxer fight.

[ThunderHorse]

almost every 'boxer' who has tried MMA gets abused badly

but you will just say they are not good, or washed up, or whatever

when Kimbo Slice can choke out Ray Mercer with a year of training, thats sad

when a 155 lbs Genki Sudo can sub Buetterbean with ease, its sad

art jimmerson got taken down by royce who is awful at takedomws

Milton Bowen got subbed by a cop/part time MA guy, its sad

come on...

everyone knows Ray Mercer was washed up, he was washed up in boxing long before he decided to take that MMA fight.

Butterbean is a pitiful example, The guy made his career off of no names, and never beat anyone of real value and made anything of it. where did butterbean get championship wise? at least Ray Mercer won the heavyweight championship and arguably beat Lennox Lewis in his 1996 attempt, lets not also forget the fact that the man is also nearly 50 years old, which really shits on that theory.

Butterbean lost to an old Larry Holmes, and never won anything other then lower super heavyweight titles, he was never considered a top boxer, and never won the WBC, WBO, or even IBF heavyweight championships.

Jimmerson's record at the end of his career was 33-18, not to mention, he lost to one of the best MMA fighters ever, and he only fought in MMA once. he wasn't a great boxer, he was average to somewhat good. even with his 5 losses going into that fight, 5 loss guys sometimes have to many losses to get legitimate title shots.

and I honestly have no idea who Milton Bowen is, the fact that when I type his name in Google I get absolutely nothing resembling likeness to a boxer, shows me that he can't have been much of a boxer.

I'd tell you to pick boxers that are actually considered good at what they do, but we both know that those guys are making way to much $ to even day dream about playing around in the octagon. the list you just posted is honestly pitiful.

[Liquidrob]

Sorry, his name is Melton Bowen, misspelled it

Boxing record of 35-9

Lost to freakin Steve Jennum, I guy who reps Ninjitsu, lol

[Liquidrob]

Jimmerson's record at the end of his career was 33-18, not to mention, he lost to one of the best MMA fighters ever, and he only fought in MMA once. he wasn't a great boxer, he was average to somewhat good. even with his 5 losses going into that fight, 5 loss guys sometimes have to many losses to get legitimate title shots.

the point is, royce has some of the worst takedowns, he is old school gracie jiu jitsu and he took down a 'somewhat good' boxer like nothing, royce basically throws a couple low kicks and charges with his arms at you, lol

its just sad, really it is

[ThunderHorse]

I just looked through his record...

he got destroyed by one of the worst boxers, but arguably the most powerful boxer, in Shannon Briggs.

although he is a much better example, he wasn't very good, all of his wins were against very weak opposition and anyone with a decent record beat him.

he only beat 3 guys with winning records.

I wouldn't exactly label him as a good boxer by any means.

[ThunderHorse]

the point is, royce has some of the worst takedowns, he is old school gracie jiu jitsu and he took down a 'somewhat good' boxer like nothing, royce basically throws a couple low kicks and charges with his arms at you, lol

its just sad, really it is

a boxer that is somewhat good will never win any type of championship above a local one or at a stretch, and I mean, a serious stretch, possibly a national title.

I thought we were talking about world championship caliber fighters.

[Liquidrob]

I just looked through his record...

he got destroyed by one of the worst boxers, but arguably the most powerful boxer, in Shannon Briggs.

although he is a much better example, he wasn't very good, all of his wins were against very weak opposition and anyone with a decent record beat him.

he only beat 3 guys with winning records.

I wouldn't exactly label him as a good boxer by any means.

you are still not getting it, a pro boxer, lost to a cop/part time fucking ninja! LMAO

a guy who is a 'pro' boxer cant beat a part time ninja? cant even stop it from going to the ground?

this is UFC 4 shit like 15 years ago, lololololol

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now just stop

[Liquidrob]

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behold the power of royce gracie takedowns!

woooo!

[ThunderHorse]

you are still not getting it, a pro boxer, lost to a cop/part time fucking ninja! LMAO

a guy who is a 'pro' boxer cant beat a part time ninja? cant even stop it from going to the ground?

this is UFC 4 shit like 15 years ago, lololololol

now just stop

oh, I guess all pro boxers are on likewise levels now...

I mean, its irrational to think that a boxer who's wins were all from people who probably shouldn't have been pro's in the first place isn't a good boxer...

it grows more and more apparent that you don't watch boxing at all. otherwise you'd understand that buddy was a pos in the boxing world anyway, what do you expect when he gets dropped in the MMA world?

[ThunderHorse]

on a serious note...

when a professional, world championship caliber boxer is put into the octagon with a UFC fighter, then speculation can be thrown from the window...

picking washed up boxers and boxers who never got anywhere in their career doesn't take your argument far.

[Bigpapa42]

on a serious note...

when a professional, world championship caliber boxer is put into the octagon with a UFC fighter, then speculation can be thrown from the window...

picking washed up boxers and boxers who never got anywhere in their career doesn't take your argument far.

Why would that solve the argument? You're saying that having average boxers in there cannot be used as a gauge, so putting a professional world championship caliber boxer in the cage against an average MMA fighter isn't going to prove much either, is it? If the boxer has been elite caliber, so too would the MMA fighter.

[ThunderHorse]

Why would that solve the argument? You're saying that having average boxers in there cannot be used as a gauge, so putting a professional world championship caliber boxer in the cage against an average MMA fighter isn't going to prove much either, is it? If the boxer has been elite caliber, so too would the MMA fighter.

I see what your saying...

I wasn't using my comprehension skills to full effect...

that's definitely my bad. your saying an average MMA guy against an average Boxer = perfect match up.

I still disagree, as even MMA guys get beat like that constantly, I've seen it hundreds of times of average MMA fighters to the even elite ones getting locked up and tapping out or getting murdered in the first round's first few minutes. just because you stick a boxer in there who isn't even a good boxer but more so an average one doesn't apply for all boxers.

[ThunderHorse]

lol, sad thing is poor guy almost made it out of the first round...

the first MMA fighter he fought didn't make it out of 2 minutes.